55 mpg Rated 2019 Honda Insight Reveal at the NYIAS

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  1. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Speaking of tall people in cars... have you ever seen very short people in cars? I saw such a case yesterday. My wife felt ill during an extended tour of western Mass with real estate clients, so the client ended up driving the Prime for my wife on the final leg of the return trip. The client and her mother are 5' or less, and my wife is 5'3. I saw my wife's car approaching and I could barely see a head in the driver's seat and one in the back seat. Those were the clients. My wife was reclined in the front passenger seat and her face was barely visible near the front part of the bottom of the rear seat window. It was a hoot. :D

    The scary part is that I don't think the driver knew where the boundaries of the car were. Turning and driving straight into a parking space, she barely cleared an adjacent car on the inside of the turn. <cringe>
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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Wow. Car and Driver says this "The 2019 Insight is a joy to drive around town."
    They show some prices and EPA numbers , but it's not very clear what numbers apply to what model.
    I don't know if it's a Prius-beater , but this is looking pretty good.
    Wait a sec............ my Gen 3 Prius swallows a mountain bike whole.
    The Insight SEDAN............. don't think so.
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  3. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    LX $23,725 (including $895 destination charge) ... undercutting the Prius by a grand or so (?) and it does include all the sensing stuff (LKA, ACC) (I didn't do the whole option comparison thing)

    A medium size mountain bike will fit in the trunk (utilizing pass through) even with the front wheel on .... barely. Easier to take the front wheel off. ... but yeah, advantage Prius in that department

    I think the "real world average jane" mpgs on the insight and the latest prius will be quite close. -- drive normal and you'll beat 50 by a few (?). Hopefully we'll see some nose to tail compo's (vs prius, ioniq) in the next few months. {but, if you're clearing 50 mpg it's really kind of academic after that (for the 'normal' peopleo_O) --- but the paddle brakes are there, if Jane decides she want to get busy with the numbers

    /so, .. almost 20 years later, .. looks like Honda's got an insight that "works"
    //and a mostly electric drive train that's built for the future
    ///how hard was that?
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Relatively aggressive pricing,,,.

    Insight LX (55/49/52 mpgUS city.highway/Combined) - $23,725
    Insight EX (55/49/52 mpgUS city.highway/Combined) - $24,995
    Insight Touring (51/45/48 mpgUS city.highway/Combined) - $28,985

    All incl. the $895 D&H charge,

    The 2019 Honda Insight offers class-leading power and passenger space, universally appealing styling, and received a 55 mpg city from the EPA (LX/EX), while simultaneously bringing a new level of driving sophistication and style to the compact hybrid market. Boasting a high level of standard premium features, Insight's Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP)1 starts at $22,830 (excluding $895 destination and handling).

    Insight's body, chassis and powertrain combination provide a surprisingly satisfying driving experience. Total system output of 151-horsepower provides brisk acceleration compared to other hybrids, yet it also received a 55 mpg city rating (LX/EX), putting it among the best hybrids on the market. Furthermore, with its comparatively low starting price, Insight makes it easier than ever to save at the pump while looking good doing it.

    The Insight arrives in three different trim levels: LX, EX, and Touring. All Insights come standard with multi-element LED headlights, push-button start, and the Honda Sensing® suite of advanced safety and driver-assistive technologies. Among other features, Insight EX adds an 8-inch Display Audio with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, while Insight Touring adds leather seating surfaces, an 8-way power driver's seat, Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation System™, dual-zone automatic climate control, and more.

    The 2019 Insight is powered by the third generation of Honda's innovative two-motor hybrid drivetrain. A 1.5-liter DOHC i-VTEC Atkinson-cycle inline-4 engine with 40.5-percent thermal efficiency is paired to an electric propulsion motor that produces 197 lb.-ft. of torque for a class-leading total system output of 151 horsepower. Thanks to its clever two-motor design, Insight operates without the need for a conventional automatic transmission.

    Insight helps drivers maximize energy regeneration through the use of steering wheel-mounted Deceleration Selectors. Working similar to transmission paddle shifters, Insight's Deceleration Selectors let the driver toggle between three different levels of regenerative braking performance. Tap the left selector to increase regenerative braking, and the right to reduce it. This system not only increases battery charging via regeneration, it also helps reduce stress on the brakes, and lets drivers tailor their regenerative braking level for different driving conditions.

    Insight's hybrid powertrain uses power from the gasoline engine and electric motors to accommodate the current driving conditions, seamlessly shifting through three distinct drive operations. In EV Drive, Insight is powered solely by its electric drive motor, drawing power from the battery. In Hybrid Drive the gasoline engine drives a generator motor to supply electrical power to the drive motor. In certain circumstances, Engine Drive operation connects the gasoline engine directly to the drive wheels.

    The 2019 Insight's battery is housed in a compact intelligent power unit (IPU) mounted under the rear seats, allowing Insight to offer an uncompromised 15.1 cubic feet of trunk space (LX/EX) that rivals many midsize sedans, and a folding rear seatback for long loads (60/40 split in EX and Touring trims). With up to 97.6 cubic feet of interior space and class-leading rear legroom, Insight's interior packaging also offers the best passenger space in its class.

    The 2019 Insight joins an expanding lineup of electrified Honda vehicles that includes the Clarity series – Clarity Fuel Cell, Clarity Electric and Clarity Plug-In Hybrid – and the recently introduced Accord Hybrid. These models represent the next generation of Honda vehicles as the company advances toward its global initiative to grow electrified vehicle sales to two-thirds by 2030.

    The 2019 Honda Insight for the North American market is manufactured, using domestic and globally-sourced parts, exclusively at Honda's Greensburg, Indiana auto plant alongside Civic and CR-V. Its hybrid powertrain, including the 1.5-liter Atkinson-cycle, two-motor system and intelligent power unit (IPU) containing the hybrid battery pack, is produced in Ohio.

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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    2019 Honda Insight: Overview

    NOTE: Information in this document is preliminary, subject to change without notice, and intended for media use – not for consumers. For final information, visit Honda.com.

    The 2019 Honda Insight sedan joins Honda's growing family of electrified vehicles as a dedicated hybrid sedan. Insight features the kind of fuel efficiency hybrid buyers demand, but with sleek styling, robust acceleration, and driving refinement they might not expect. It joins the Clarity series and Accord Hybrid as the fifth Honda electrified vehicle introduced in the past year.

    Though the third Honda to bear the Insight name, the 2019 Insight is all-new, positioned as a premium compact sedan between the Civic and Accord. Its universally appealing styling wraps around a refined 5-seat interior with class-leading interior space, premium appointments and the latest technology, such as standard Honda Sensing® and available in-car Wi-Fi, Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™ integration.

    With power derived from the latest generation of Honda's innovative two-motor hybrid system, Insight also offers robust acceleration performance along with an EPA-estimated 55 mpg city rating1. Refined and responsive driving performance at the top of its class is assured by the adoption of the 10th-generation Civic body and chassis architecture along with numerous enhancements, including revised springs, dampers and bushings along with unique sheetmetal in nearly every location.

    The new Insight comes standard with the Honda Sensing® suite of advanced safety and driver-assistive technologies. All trims also come with a multi-view backup camera system, and EX and Touring models come with Honda LaneWatch™. Insight Touring models also includes the latest iteration of HondaLink, which offers multiple cloud-based services including a 4G Wi-Fi mobile hotspot (data plan required), smartphone-based remote vehicle locking/unlocking, stolen vehicle tracking and more.

    The 2019 Honda Insight is offered in three trims: the well-appointed LX, upgraded EX, and the fully-equipped Insight Touring. Standard features include LED exterior lighting, including headlights, daytime running lights and taillights; 16-inch alloy wheels, heated side mirrors, push-button start, heated side mirrors, a 6-speaker audio system with Bluetooth® and Pandora® integration, and a 7-inch TFT digital driver's meter. Insight EX adds Smart Entry, two additional speakers, and an 8-inch Display Audio high-resolution touchscreen with a smartphone-like customizable home-screen layout and Apple CarPlay™ and Android AutoTM integration. The line-topping Touring model features 17-inch alloy wheels, LED fog lights and side-mirror turn signals, rain-sensing windshield wipers, a power moonroof, perforated leather-trimmed seating, heated front seats with 8-way power adjustment for the driver and 4-way power for the passenger, dual-zone climate control, a 10-speaker audio system, embedded Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation System™, and Honda HD Digital Traffic.

    Exterior Design
    The sleek lines, coupe-like profile, and wide stance of the new Insight communicate a sophisticated yet elegant design. Details like the "flying wing" grille, standard low-profile LED headlights and taillights, tasteful use of chrome, and dynamic character lines emphasize its premium compact sedan character. Touring models up the ante with larger, 17-inch alloy wheels and LED fog lights.


    Insight's design is as functional as it is aesthetically pleasing. Careful attention was paid in wind-tunnel testing to control airflow over, under, and around Insight for optimum fuel efficiency and noise reduction. The low aluminum hood helps to reduce weight and improve air flow and visibility. Out back, the short trunk lid contributes to the coupe-like profile, and the sharp cut-off at the rear edge helps the airflow separate cleanly from the rear of the car, aiding fuel efficiency. Underneath, Insight features the flattest underbody of any Honda production vehicle, helping smooth airflow under the car as it travels rearward, and reducing wind noise in the cabin.

    Interior Design and Packaging
    The driver-focused cockpit of the 2019 Insight features an elegance not found in its hatchback competitors. Premium appointments include a stitched dash, soft-touch surfaces, a sport steering wheel and ergonomically sculpted seats. The instrument panel features a customizable digital (color TFT) driver's meter and a 7-inch multi-information display (MID), while an available 8-inch Display Audio touchscreen with Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™ integration sits atop the dash.


    Insight doesn't compromise function for the sake of form. The long wheelbase provides for a class-leading 97.6 cubic feet of passenger space (LX/EX), including 37.4 inches of rear legroom, which is up to four inches more than top competitors. By locating the hybrid battery under the rear seats, Insight provides up to 15.1 cu-ft of trunk space, bigger than many gasoline-powered midsize sedans while preserving the people- and cargo-carrying flexibility of a folding rear seatback – one piece on LX trims and split 60/40 in EX and Touring. Insight's interior benefits from numerous storage compartments, including a multi-level user-configurable storage area between the front seats. On the center console next to the shift-by-wire gear selector is a cell phone pocket designed to accommodate larger smartphones.



    Audio and connectivity on LX models includes a 140-watt audio system with 6 speakers, operating with a 5-inch LCD screen with USB connectivity, Bluetooth® streaming audio, and Pandora® integration. Insight EX and Touring trims get an 8-inch Display Audio touchscreen system with Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™ integration, SiriusXM Radio, HD Radio, two USB inputs, and two additional speakers for the 180-watt system. For Insight Touring trims, there's a 450-watt system powering 10 speakers (including a sub-woofer), along with the latest iteration of Honda's Satellite-Linked Navigation with Voice Recognition and Honda HD Digital Traffic.

    Insight Touring models also feature the next-generation of HondaLink cloud-based services. By pairing the car using the HondaLink smartphone app, drivers can use the subscription-based service for maintenance reminders, to schedule vehicle service, and even access to the Owner's Guide. HondaLink also provides Insight owners with a variety of remote functions, such as starting the car, locking or unlocking doors, stolen vehicle tracking, fuel range and status, and tire pressure monitor system status. Parents can enable geofencing and speed alarm capabilities to keep an eye on young drivers.

    Powering the 2019 Honda Insight is the third-generation of Honda's two-motor hybrid system. The highly efficient 1.5-liter Atkinson-cycle gasoline engine and powerful electric drive motor combine for a system output of 151 horsepower and 197 lb-ft of electric motor torque. Under most conditions, Insight operates as a series hybrid -- the gasoline engine connects to a generator motor to produce electricity that either powers the electric propulsion motor, recharges the 60-cell lithium ion battery pack, or both.


    To customize the driving experience for maximum efficiency or driving performance, drivers can choose between ECON, SPORT and EV modes, in addition to the Normal driving mode. Drivers can also choose between three different levels of regenerative braking using selector paddles mounted on the steering wheel. By pressing the EV button on the center console, drivers can opt to go for roughly a mile under electric power alone. Since the electric motor directly powers the drive axles, Insight's two-motor technology works without a conventional automatic transmission. When circumstances demand, a lock-up clutch connects the gasoline engine directly to the electric drive motor, providing the most efficient operation for highway driving.

    Insight drivers can also choose ECON or SPORT modes. ECON alters throttle inputs to help optimize fuel efficiency. SPORT provides more aggressive throttle inputs while drawing more on the battery for a more energetic acceleration feel. Additionally, SPORT alters the Active Sound Control (ASC) for a more aggressive engine note.

    Body and Chassis
    The 2019 Insight chassis is designed to deliver luxury-class ride quality, superb cabin quietness, and peak efficiency, making Insight an ideal commuter vehicle while still being fun to drive. Insight's body and chassis are a further evolution of the 10th-generation Honda Civic platform.


    Aside from its exterior sheetmetal, Insight's body structure shares much of its engineering with the 10th-generation Civic, including the latest generation of Honda's proprietary Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure, extensive use of high-tensile steel, and leading technologies such as its crash stroke front frame design, which enables a shortened front overhang, and tailor-tempered "soft zones" in the body sides and rear frame for enhanced collision protection. Unlike Civic, the Insight utilizes an aluminum hood (skin and inner frame) for reduced weight and a new, reengineered rear floor structure to support and protect its hybrid battery pack, which is located under the rear seats.

    The fully independent suspension features updated springs, dampers and bushings. The front suspension uses unique L-shaped lower arms to optimize lateral and longitudinal forces for improved handling precision along with linear and natural steering feel. In the rear, a 5-link suspension, mounted on a rigid subframe, not only improves ride and handling but also maximizes space for rear-seat passengers, cargo, and the hybrid system's electronics. Ride quality is further enhanced by way of fluid-filled compliance bushings up front and at both ends in Touring trims. Positioned as a premium product, Insight engineers put a strong emphasis on cabin noise suppression, with additional sound deadening under the hood, in the front and rear firewall, front fenders, and front and rear floor to reduce road noise.

    Cornering ability is further enhanced with standard Agile Handling Assist, which applies braking force to the inside wheel while cornering to improve response and overall cornering agility. The sport steering wheel, leather-wrapped in Touring trims, connects to a Dual-Pinion Variable Ratio Electric Power-Assist Rack-and-Pinion Steering (EPS) system. The variable ratio enhances parking-lot maneuverability, while providing stability at highway speeds.

    Safety and Driver Assistance Technology
    Like all Honda vehicles, Insight's attention to driver and passenger safety performance is of the utmost importance. All Insights come standard with Honda Sensing®. This advanced safety and driver assistive suite includes Forward Collison Warning (FCW), Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Lane Departure Warning, Lane Keeping Assistance System, Road Departure Mitigation, Adaptive Cruise Control with Low-Speed Follow and Traffic Sign Recognition. All models also come with a multi-view rearview camera, and Insight EX and Touring trims come equipped with Honda LaneWatch.

    Insight includes Honda's next-generation Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure and advanced airbags, and targets top collision safety ratings of a NCAP 5-Star Overall Vehicle Score from the NHTSA and a TOP SAFETY PICK rating from the IIHS.

    1. Based on 2019 EPA fuel-economy ratings for LX/EX models. Use for comparison purposes only. Your mileage will vary depending on how you drive and maintain your vehicle, battery pack age/condition, driving conditions and other factors.
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  6. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    That looks like a pretty big 'battery box' under the rear seat for just 1.1 kwh. I wonder if there's other electrical gear in there, or maybe it's 'built for the future'?
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  7. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    2019 Volvo S 60? 10.4 kwh, 400 hp. (yesssssssss!)
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  8. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    I came across this yesterday a review of the 2019 Honda Insight by Green Car Reports. They drove the touring model, which per EPA obtains
    the least MPG. They achieved over 55 MPG in their test, and thats miles divided by actual gallons used, not the computer readout, for speeds up
    to 75 MPH. I'm sure the base model could obtained in the high 50's mpgs, with Wayne at the wheel well over 60 mpg's.
    Here is the review.

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  9. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I think this is a very clever part of the dual motor design, but I suspect you either drive like you have 151 HP or you get the 55 mpg, not both. If you drive sanely, then you'll only be using the electric motor for acceleration. However, even so, the 96 kW motor is more than enough for EV-dominant everyday performance. Good job, Honda. Now it just remains to be seen how people who buy this vehicle drive on a daily basis.
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  10. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    If you build and price a Civic LX ......add CVT, sensing and alloy wheels (17"*) ... it comes out to $23,281 incl. D&H. So for $444 more, you could get the insight.

    *vs 16" aero alloy wheels -- so sketchy part of the comparison, but still...

    /seems like the best value here would be the base insight, with plans to eventually upgrade the head unit to something carplay compatible, and eventually get some better tires ... perhaps sacrificing a little mpg for handling/ride
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  11. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Wayne, you going to get one to see what it can do? Interested is seeing what kind of mileage you can wring out of it.
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    From the Midwest Automotive Media Association (MAMA) Fall Rally #MAMA18FR last month, my first drive of the 2019 Honda Insight is complete. It was a fully loaded Touring trim which surely hurt efficiency some but unfortunately the results were not stellar.


    Notice the initial reset was from a full SoC. After the 9.4 mile drive loop - all city suburban -, SoC was down to half and the indicated result was 93.1 mpg. This result is probably the equivalent of around 80 mpg actual. If you look at the 2019 Lexus ES 300h results on the same drive loop, the much more powerful and larger Lexus ES 300h may actually be more efficient. Maybe??? After my short drive, I thought a first gen Ioniq would compete with it in town and in the suburbs while burying it out on the highway. The 4th gen Prius would bury it in all three realms, city, suburban, and highway.

    Another focus point was if the 1.5L would rev up to bring SoC back like the Accord Hybrid is known to do. Yup, you could hear and feel the rev up - albeit it was more muted vs the Accord Hybrid - making for a very unusual feel. Think a CVTs rubber band effect but without accelerating.

    Would I like to own it?

    It looks better than both the Prius and Ioniq.

    It is more comfortable than the Prius with much better driver ergonomics and includes both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto vs nothing in the Prius. A huge plus in favor of the Insight. The Ioniq's infotainment and control layout is better than the Insight.

    The Insight's interior is much nicer looking and feeling than both the Prius and Ioniq. Not even close as the Insight is actually a nice environment to sit in and look at.

    Unfortunately, the Insight is not as comfortable as the Ioniq and the Honda 2-motor system needs more NVH refinement.

    Finally the price. There are few discounts and paying $25 to $30k for a compact hybrid is a bit high. The 18 Prius Prime for < $18k with all the dealer, manufacturer, and Govt. rebates or a std. Elantra Eco for < $15k makes much more sense at this time.

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  13. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    The Clarity with rebates is much better value. Didn't do calculations but possibly priced same after rebates including CA state rebate. Just unfortunate they put such small gas tank in it and design could be less polarizing. And maybe as efficient as Insight?
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Luke:

    Excellent reply. If the Clarity had a larger tank and did not resort to the rear wheel opening cover plus a few other design miscues, it would be a great vehicle to own. I am not sure the Clarity/Accord Hybrid drivetrain is as efficient as the Insight's or not yet but the Insight did not wow me like the Accord and Clarity have in the past.

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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    2019 Honda Insight Receives Highest NHTSA Crash Test Rating

    While the 2019 Honda Insight’s Efficiency may be suspect vs its competitors, its crash test ratings can take on the world.

    The Insight was engineered to earn top-of-class collision safety ratings from both the IIHS and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in its New Car Assessment Program (NCAP). In both cases, Honda succeeded with over the top scores!

    Earlier this month while receiving top ratings in each category, the 2019 Honda Insight was awarded the top 5-Star Overall Vehicle Score in the U.S. government's New Car Assessment Program (NCAP).

    2019 Honda Insight – NHTSA 5 Star Crash Test Rating


    In June, the 2019 Insight was awarded an Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) TOP SAFETY PICK+ rating, the Insurance Institute's top award. The Insight achieved top ratings of "GOOD" in all crashworthiness tests, a standard "GOOD" rating for the Insight's LED headlights and a "SUPERIOR" rating for the Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBMS) feature of the standard Honda Sensing® suite of advanced driver-assitive and active safety technologies.

    To qualify for the 2018 IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK+ award, a vehicle must earn "GOOD" ratings in the driver-side small overlap front, moderate overlap front, side, roof strength and head restraint tests and an "ACCEPTABLE" or "GOOD" rating in the passenger-side small overlap test. It also needs an available front crash prevention system that earns an "ADVANCED" or "SUPERIOR" rating and available good-rated headlights.

    On sale since late June, the 2019 Honda Insight offers class-leading performance, and passenger volume, a clean sheet and attractive design, and an EPA fuel economy rating of 55/49 mpg city/highway for both the LX and EX trims and a 51/45 mpg city/highway rating for the Touring. Every trim 2019 Insights is equipped with the entire Honda Sensing suite of active safety and driver assist features standard.

    Insight's standard Honda Sensing suite includes the Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) with Forward Collision Warning; Road Departure Mitigation (RDM) incorporating Lane Departure Warning (LDW); Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS); and Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC).

    2019 Honda Insight – IIHS Top Safety Pick+ Crash Test Rating


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  16. OldMan58

    OldMan58 Member

    I'm a Clarity PHEV owner for almost a year after 12 years of driving a Civic hybrid and a Camry hybrid. I never had so much pleasure driving a car in a long time.
    I know, Clarity is a bit odd but for a nerd it is a dream vehicle. In my case it also made economical sense: fully electric for up to 50...55 miles (more than my daily commute), up to 350..375 miles range (combined), use of HOV lane, plenty of charging stations (lots of them free), responsive, good safety features, about the size of an Accord and I can probably continue.
    I don't complain about the tank size yet: it is enough to say that I drove about 1700 miles with about 16 gal of gas and charging everywhere I could (mostly free).
    As a hybrid, the Clarity is definitely different than a regular hybrid with a small battery. What I learned over the years from this site regarding hypermilling does not apply to this car, except not driving carelessly like an idiot and using your brain to increase efficiency.
    Since I purchased the car I had just one problem with a charging station that triggered the battery charger protection because of voltage glitches - Clarity is a bit demanding when it comes to power quality. Other than that, I only hope that the battery will last long enough to enjoy the ride!
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  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Thanks , OldMan. You're not alone - plenty of old nerds on this site.
    The "odd" styling of the Clarity doesn't bother me , I kinda like it.
    Next car for me will most likely be a PHEV.
    But damn ! the Insight is pretty.
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    New pricing up for the 2019 Honda Insight.

    2019 Honda Insight Pricing and EPA Ratings effective Jan 1, 2019.

    Trim - MSRP/MSRP Incl. $920 Destination Charge -- EPA Mileage Rating City/Hwy/Combined mpgUS

    LX - $22,930/$23,850 -- 55/49/52
    EX - $24,160/$25,080 -- 55/49/52
    Touring - $28,190/$29,110 -- 51/45/48

    Up $125 on the LX, $85 on the EX, and $125 on the Touring from the launch MSRPs.

  19. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    One of the solutions to the state road funding shortfall here in Ohio is an additional charge on hybrids and electric cars. The senate wants to charge $75 a year for hybrids, and $175 for electric vehicles. These are both $25 less than the house had approved. Bill has not yet become law.
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  20. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Which is unfair because it's more than the likely tax saving vs. a (hypothetical) otherwise equivalent fuel-efficient non-hybrid, especially if you're buying much of your fuel in other states.

    Similar scheme to punish hybrid owners in SC.
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