Uber - LYFT Rideshare

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  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Wow , amazon wants a LOT more than $32,50. I haven't used ebay in a while , but there are some good deals there.
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    5+ weeks in...

    Uber

    1/29 - 2/05: $108.61 <-- Short first week in Milwaukee
    2/05 - 2/11: $0.00 <-- San Diego to Milwaukee to Chicago Uber region swap
    2/12 - 2/19: $692.10
    2/19 - 2/26: $1,493.67
    2/26 - 3/05: $1,613.91
    3/05 - 3/11: $1,667.14
    03/12: $365.63 <-- 4.4 days lost due to Elantra door dent repair

    Lyft

    1/29 - 2/05: $658.18 <-- Short first week in Milwaukee
    2/05 - 2/11: $1,755.15
    2/12 - 2/18: $1,140.40
    2/19 - 2/25: $721.40
    2/26 - 3/04: $1,344.56
    3/05 - 3/11: $159.39
    03/12: $3.60 <-- 4.4 days lost due to Elantra door dent repair

    Previous 5+ Week(s) Cumulative Totals

    1/29 - 2/05: $766.79
    2/05 - 2/11: $1,755.15
    2/12 - 2/18: $1,832.50
    2/19 - 2/25: $2,215.07
    2/26 - 3/04: $2,957.47
    3/05 - 3/11: $1,826.53
    03/12: $369.23 <-- 4.4 days lost due to Elantra door dent repair
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    $11,722.74

    $2,131/week average. All-in, about $1.06/mile of income over 11,000 miles of Rideshare driving through 03/12 and not including any cash tips.

    On top of those earnings, the driver's insurance company that backed into my parked car owes me approximately $1,623 covering vehicle non-use for Tuesday morning through Friday evening of this week which I have submitted the paperwork for. We will see what comes of that. :(

    Saturday and Sunday morning, 03/17 and 03/18, Saint Patrick's Day in Chicago was a pretty good day with over $570 earned over an 18-hour drive period. This included a $50 bonus for 50 rides as well. Most of the driving occurred in the far Northern Suburbs as I did not get into the City of Chicago until after 03:00 am this morning. After that, it was a mix as there were numerous longer rides to the airport and back to the Western suburbs.

    The bad? Uber Bonus and boost earnings are being slashed as I used to receive $3/ride up to $9 for each rush hour period rides - 07 - 09 am and 05 - 07 pm during the week - and up to $90 for 50 rides. That dropped to $50 for 50-rides last week. The latest is $2 per rush hour ride and $50 for 60 rides. Uber knows I am aggressive at rideshare earnings and is using that against me with ever lower weekly bonus payouts. Other less active rideshare drivers around the country are reviving far more. :(

    Regarding the efficiency, yesterday was a good day on that front too with a > 49 mpg actual result. A 35 mpg combined rated Elantra being driven 100 percent as a Rideshare vehicle pulling damn near 50 mpg? I am very happy with the 2018 Hyundai Elantra as there is not a single squeak or rattle after now 12,000 miles of the harshest driving conditions including thousands of speed bumps and hundreds of thousands of Chicago potholes being driven over and hit. It was below freezing until 08:00 am this morning when the Chicago area reached temps as high as 60 degrees F per my display in the Northern Suburbs.

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    The 2018 Hyundai Elantra Eco is now just over 15k miles with 12k miles of rideshare as of this evening. I incurred $700 in fuel purchases while averaging just over 42 actual mpg across some of the harshest road environments - rideshare in the City of Chicago - that I have ever driven. One-third of the fuel cost is covered by the direct generosity of customers if you know what I mean. Another two weeks and the 2018 Hyundai Elantra Eco should be fully paid including the full purchase price with TTL and registration, vehicle and non-vehicle accessories, fuel, and customer consumables before I head back to California.

    I am heading back out again in a few minutes for yet another night battle in the city. :)

    Wayne
     
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  3. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    $1.06/mi? You're doing well. That's what a lot of owner/operator truck drivers are paid, with expenses far higher than yours (granted, they're running ~10k miles or more per month, but don't get to sleep in their own beds or see their kids every night). Your gig is paying off handsomely, IMHO.
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi JCP123:

    I am at my parents home for another 2 weeks but I am really not home as these are 80+ hour weeks to maintain income at $2k+/week incl. fuel and consumables.

    Uber

    1/29 - 2/05: $108.61 <-- Short first week in Milwaukee
    2/05 - 2/11: $0.00 <-- San Diego to Milwaukee to Chicago Uber region swap
    2/12 - 2/19: $692.10
    2/19 - 2/26: $1,493.67
    2/26 - 3/05: $1,613.91
    3/05 - 3/11: $1,667.14
    3/12 - 3/18: $1,085.48 <-- 4.4+ days lost due to Elantra door dent repair

    Lyft

    1/29 - 2/05: $658.18 <-- Short first week in Milwaukee
    2/05 - 2/11: $1,755.15
    2/12 - 2/18: $1,140.40
    2/19 - 2/25: $721.40
    2/26 - 3/04: $1,344.56
    3/05 - 3/11: $159.39
    3/12 - 3/18: $296.88 <-- 4.4+ days lost due to Elantra door dent repair

    Previous 6+ Week(s) Cumulative Totals

    1/29 - 2/05: $766.79
    2/05 - 2/11: $1,755.15
    2/12 - 2/18: $1,832.50
    2/19 - 2/25: $2,215.07
    2/26 - 3/04: $2,957.47
    3/05 - 3/11: $1,826.53
    3/12 - 3/18: $1,382.36 <-- 4.4+ days lost due to Elantra door dent repair
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    $12,735.87

    $2,122/week average. All-in, about $1.06/mile of income over 12,000 miles of Rideshare driving through 03/18 and not including any cash tips. I will add in any MetLife insurance $1,623 loss of use monies when and if received before any movement towards a small claims court claim.

    2 more weeks and I hope to earn enough to pay for the 18 Elantra in full before heading back to California at the end of the month.

    I have to add that the iOttie smartphone holder is Rideshare Mil Spec qualified as are the Anker cables and X5 high speed smartphone USB charging ports. Excellent build quality and highly recommended purchases for harsh rideshare use.

    On the negative side, the Black&Decker 20V Li-Ion hand vac is ok as it can clean the cars seats and floor quickly and easily due to its power and weight. It does not however have enough real suction power to pull hair from seat fabrics in total. I find that a fresh damp fiber cloth does a better job on the seats and also cleans up the armrests and other interior plastics quickly and easily.

    Wayne
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I may be heading back to California sooner than I would have thought. The other vehicles insurance just approved a $1,400+ payout for loss of use and with this weeks earnings already exceeding $1,200, that puts me over the $15k goal through today. I still have the weekend to make up the next $800 to breach $16k in 7-weeks.

    Best ride so far occurred earlier today. A 2 hr and 56 min RT drive covering 77.6 miles came in at $107.79 in total including a $22.94 tip. That was the highest tip I have ever received. It was on the books however. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While vacuuming out and wiping down the interior of the Elantra early this afternoon, I found a credit card within an empty Taco Bell 4 drink holder. I picked up 3 guys just before 04:00 am from the last bar standing - Richard's in Round Lake Beach, IL - and they wanted to go to Taco Bell before being dropped off. I sort of knew this rides start point and could track back to the bar and ride in the Trip History. I contacted both Uber and Visa so they both know I have the card and can either have it delivered back to them or canceled for security reasons.

    I will let you know how a CC return works out. I am sort of curious myself.

    Wayne
     
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  7. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    Good job Wayne.
     
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  8. The few items I found left in my car after Uber rides - I contacted Uber, got no response, sat on the items 6 months and disposed.
     
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  9. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    I passed through the southern outskirts of Chicagoland today, on I80 - kept an eye out for you, though I knew it wasn't terribly likely to see you.
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Thanks! I still have not heard back from the owner of the card and it has been over 24 hours. I am going to cut it up into shards if I have not heard back by Monday afternoon.

    James, I suspect this will end up being the same. ☹

    JCP123, I was near 80 on Thursday but the past two and a half days I have spent in the Northern suburbs as that is where Uber was pulling me towards. The $s are less by about 10 percent but the damage/wear on the car is much less too. Far less braking and navigating extremely poor pothole filled roadways. Not having to deal with hundreds of one way streets per week is easier to deal with as well. I am finding tips to be higher and so far no poor ratings just because they can. The Lyft app in some of the poorer sections of Chicago show 1 to 3 star ratings for no apparent reason and it pisses me off when I see a rating decline within 10 minutes of dropping a passenger off. Perfect greeting, Navi, ride, and in many instances they are taking water, candy, Wi-Fi, and fast charging their phones. I do not get that at all???

    Two weeks ago I started using 100% natural lemongrass essential oil - 10 drops on a cotton makeup patch and placed in a vent. It really makes the car smell nice without any chemical smell. A lot of customers are commenting on how "Clean" the car smells with this addition.

    This morning I stopped by the home of the lady that I gave the $85+ ride to and she gave a $22+ tip for. I gave her (2) $0.25/gal Shell/Fuel Rewards discount cards to try and make up for her generosity. There is no way I can but I hope her son uses the full amount on his next two fills.

    Finally here is Saturday's Uber Drive report. I sometimes see a yellow on acceleration and brakes but it is rare.

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    Wayne
     
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  11. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I'll have to remember that lemon oil tip. :) Thanks.
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    I think I am going to add the essential oil - Lemongrass oil on a cotton pad - to Marian's non-rideshare Sonata Hybrid as well. It really does smell nice and the cost is minuscule compared to the chemical sprays like Fabreeze, Glade, and the trees.

    Edwin, here is a link to the Philips Norelco Shaver 4500 (Model AT830/46) on Ebay for $29.24.

    Late last night and into this morning I had a 45+ minute, 8-minute out ping from Gurnee to Milwaukee on the Lyft platform. Uber region locks so is not supposed to work in WI. On the way back, I thought I would try anyway. Uber did Go Online unlike a few weeks back when it would say you are not in your region or something like that but I am not sure if it was actually seeking requests or not? It was well after 01:00 am on Monday morning crossing Kenosha, WI back to Illionois on I-94. Previous to the last two App updates, Uber would not allow you to "Go Online" until you crossed the border or were already online and it would not accept requests from WI. It remains to be seen if Uber is now allowing pickup requests outside your preset region like Lyft does. Jesse R. is heading towards IL today and I asked him to keep Uber Online when he leaves his Northeast region to test it. My fingers are crossed on this one as I have written to Uber numerous times about this.

    I also called Lyft after a 17-minute and 9 mile out ping rejection. I accepted the ride, called the lady, received no phone pickup, and rejected the ride. She was calling me immediately afterwards stating it was a 1-mile ride. I have sent 4 notes to Lyft about this before with no response so I thought I would call them. I detailed this request, the 28-minute out ping and 55-mile total mile drive loop for a $4.10 fare, and almost 30 others over the past 2 months. I pleaded with her to send to her bosses to please stop the far out ride requests without an Uber like after 10-minute time and distance long pickup fee. Drivers cannot for any reason take on a ride that will result in less than minimum wage while trying to cover the cost of the car. I stated I will eventually have to stop driving under the Lyft platform due to the long pickups without covering my costs with less than minimum wage results on many days. She was sympathetic and said my note(s) would be forwarded.

    The latest weekly and cumulative results with a day off last Monday are below.

    Uber - 813 rides to date

    1/29 - 2/05: $108.61 <-- Short first week in Milwaukee
    2/05 - 2/11: $0.00 <-- San Diego to Milwaukee to Chicago Uber region swap
    2/12 - 2/19: $692.10
    2/19 - 2/26: $1,493.67
    2/26 - 3/05: $1,613.91
    3/05 - 3/11: $1,667.14
    3/12 - 3/18: $1,085.48 <-- 4.4+ days lost due to Elantra door dent repair
    3/19 - 3/25: $1,703.27

    Lyft - 523 rides to date

    1/29 - 2/05: $658.18 <-- Short first week in Milwaukee
    2/05 - 2/11: $1,755.15
    2/12 - 2/18: $1,140.40
    2/19 - 2/25: $721.40
    2/26 - 3/04: $1,344.56
    3/05 - 3/11: $159.39
    3/12 - 3/18: $296.88 <-- 4.4+ days lost due to Elantra door dent repair
    3/19 - 3/25: $160.30

    Previous 7+ Week(s) Cumulative Totals

    1/29 - 2/05: $766.79
    2/05 - 2/11: $1,755.15
    2/12 - 2/18: $1,832.50
    2/19 - 2/25: $2,215.07
    2/26 - 3/04: $2,957.47
    3/05 - 3/11: $1,826.53
    3/12 - 3/18: $1,382.36 <-- 4.4+ days lost due to Elantra door dent repair
    3/19 - 3/25: $1,863.57
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    $14,599.44

    $2,085/week average.

    Consumables come to a grand total of $1,115 and include the following:
    • $30 to $40 oil change every 6k miles - $150 in total after I have it changed on Wednesday
    • $10 in Jolly Ranchers per month for a $20 outlay
    • $5.60 in water per week for a $45 outlay
    • $12 for the Lemon Grass and pads which should last for a year or more for a < $1/month
    • $52 in Illinois Tollway charges
    • $847 in fuel at 42.4 mpg
    All-in, about $14,894 of net income/14.7k miles for a $1.01/mile income stream through 03/25 including MetLife's loss of use $1,410+ payout which is still outstanding. I did not include any "cash" tips in the above but Uber and Lyft App tips are included in the weekly and monthly totals breakouts.

    Cash tips amount to almost one-quarter of the consumable total but I am not keeping a close track of that income stream due to its day to day, week to week, and month to month variability.

    I will try and deduce tire and brake wear for a maintenance and repair cost estimate plus a depreciation and interest estimate to lock in a real total cost of ownership and close to final real income from rideshare later this week.

    Wayne
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I picked up a couple from one of my favorite Pizza restaurants in Chicago, Lou Malnoti's. We were both talking about - read Raving - about their buttered crust pizza. For a tip, the couple gave me their single slice of take home Cheese. It was the best tip of the night. It lasted about 3-minutes. :D

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    The famous Chicago Pizzeria's link is embedded in the pic.

    Wayne
     
  14. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    I think that's where I ate when I was at a stopover there a while back...it was either that or Geno's East, but pretty certain this is the one I had :) my wife and I are a mixed marriage: she likes NY style pizza, while I maintain Chicago pizza is the bee's knees.

    Glad to see you're getting by, shame about the ride troubles you're having though.
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi JCP123:

    Malnoti's is a food group all its own. :D

    Bill, I added the Lemongrass essential oil drops to a new cotton pad and placed it into my parents Prime as well.

    Yesterday I had a Lyft ride into WI and decided to turn on the Uber app before heading back. I had a ping from within and a final destination within Northeastern WI as well. I am not sure how far Uber's regional Goefence goes beyond the std. state boundaries - not sure how many states???, but it is a nice addition to the Uber rideshare platform as they follow Lyft's mostly nationwide model. There is a personal automobile insurance question about crossing state lines that I have not fully thought through yet however.

    Wayne
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I just had the third oil change complete after 18k miles and they are averaging $40 per every 6k miles including 5 quarts of Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 synthetic. Every 6th change, the oil is free given the .8 qts excess at each OCI. ~ $0.006/mile or .6 cents/mile.

    Tire wear of the OEM Nexen NPrix AH18s - new are 9/32 - show approximately 8/32 all around. If this wear is any indication, I have 5/32 more treadwear to replacement. (1/32)/18k miles/(5/32) = 90k miles. We will see about that as the Nexen's UTQG is 500 AA indicating maybe 80k as a wild guess? In any case, $400 including install for a set of low RRc P195/65R15s over 80k miles is ~ $0.005/mile or .5 cents per mile.

    Jolly Ranchers are costing me about $9 every three weeks so $12/month as well.

    I am still trying to come up with a way to measure the brake disc thicknesses.

    Wayne
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Remember when I documented the Lyft 28+ minute/24+ mile ping which ended with a $4.10 ride with a 50+ mile drive over a 1 hr and 20-minute period?

    Here is an Uber Long Pickup fee documented by Jesse R,\. in which he not only earned $16.00 for the long pickup added to the fare but the long drive afterwards that in total was less than my Lyft drive in total. One driver earned $42.26. The other earned $4.10.

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    Be very very careful with the Lyft platform if you decide to work under it.

    Wayne
     
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    So............ if I am a passenger , and not a driver.......... Lyft might be cheaper ?
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    Possibly yes despite both having the exact same time and distance rates. You may have to wait longer for your Lyft ride however as new and old Lyft drivers are being cycled through like old popcorn with $0 income for the times a longer period request/ping occurs. This problem is the killer of Lyft drivers.

    The above is a perfect example why Lyft cannot be "The Player" in Rideshare at this time as Lyft drivers cannot afford to take on $3 to $4/hour rides while paying for their cars, insurance, maintenance and repair, fuel, oil changes, mats, spares, deductible on any accidents, candy, water bottles, shopping time for the last two consumables, 10-minute vac and wipe down of the interior, and 10-minutes it takes to knock out the weekly exterior Automatic wash plus the cost. The rideshare equipment including the phone and its monthly cost, Garmin, mounts, multi-high speed/high amp charge cords and USB ports, handheld vacs also have to be covered.

    While under a Lyft test exclusively almost 2 months ago, I experienced an entire day of $6 per hour income here in Northeastern IL and Southwestern WI. This is the reason why you have to run Uber at the same time. Whichever app pings, immediately shutdown the other and go with it. Yesterday I ran 26 rides on Uber and 1 on Lyft between the IL/WI border and the Southside of Chicago and back from 06:30 am to 07:30 pm. With Lyft there is not enough business and the long ping times ruin earnings potential both from Lyft and the opportunity to get pinged on the Uber platform.

    The one thing Lyft does provide over Uber is airport dropoffs include an airport pickup during most times of the day and evening. Chicago's OHare and Midway only. Uber only does this about one-third of the time. Other airports around the country require you to go back into the que anf wait.

    I have never parked at Chicago airports in the que so my experience with that is minimal. I have been told by another Uber/Lyft driver that anything over 30 to 40 in line ahead of you is a waste of time. I have seen over 100 on both Lyft and Uber through the app so take that for whatever it is worth. Times of the day may make that rule of thumb a misnomer as well.

    Wayne
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    As I sit here waiting for the first ping of the day, this is what the Lyft app is showing. Primetime is a bonus amount of 25% or higher than normal rates if a ping comes from within the orange boxed area shown on the app. In other words, Primetime under Lyft is sort of nonsense and rarely if ever do you receive it. Under Uber, 25 percent of my rides yesterday were under a small surge - 25 to 90 percent higher rate, or guaranteed zones – 10 to 40 percent higher rate.

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    Lyft Primetime is sort of non-sense as this Primetime box has been showing for over 20-minutes and oscillating in size. I am just 2 miles away from that box with no ping? Lyft Primetime/Uber Surge does not guarantee a ping from the area but it is supposed to show where there is more rider demand than rideshare drivers.

    Regarding Lyft bonus’, my first 90+ hour week earned just the first tier and $60. My second 90+ hour week only earned the first tier and $60. It was and still is not worth chasing.

    Uber bonus’ of 50 rides for $40 to $65 and $2 or $3 per ride added for weekday Rush hours mornings and afternoons are always achievable. This is the range I have seen here in Northern IL whereas other areas of the country are higher and sometimes lower. The weekday 50 ride bonus has to be achieved between Monday at 04:00 am and Friday at 04:00 am. The weekend bonus has to be achieved between Friday at 04:00 am and Monday at 04:00 am. The $2 or $3 Rush hour bonus is 07:00 am to 09:00 am and 05:00 pm to 07:00 pm M-F with Friday afternoon's bonus starting at 04:30 pm.

    As stated numerous times above, Lyft is an excellent rideshare platform for both the driver and rider and may be better in other locations but you have to be very very careful with it from the driver side. Lyft will burn you far more often than necessary due to their refusal to provide a Long Pickup time and distance fee. If a single driver is 20+ minutes away from a ride, that rider should experience a premium fee for the ride. Taxi rates are two to four times higher than Uber and Lyft and they will never get there so why should Lyft be providing said ride expecting its drivers to pick up the ride for far less than minimum wage?

    When autonomous vehicles are the majority of their fleet in 10 years, they - Lyft - themselves will never send one of their vehicles out 20+ minutes for a $4.00 fare yet they do this to their drivers all the time.

    Wayne
     
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