Sometimes when talking to the highly educated, you just have to do an eye roll

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  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The number I quoted wasn't wrong.
    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/absolute-number-of-deaths-from-ambient-particulate-air-pollution
    This names a scientist that has done the research, and which publication the paper is in.
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...-killing-1-million-people-and-costing-chinese
    An older report has 1.37 million premature deaths as an estimate. Its high range was 1.6mil, which is likely why that value still gets quoted, but its low range is 0.35mil.
    https://www.asianscientist.com/2016/11/health/particulate-air-pollution-china-premature-death/

    In terms of the level of air pollution China, it only matters in that it is proof that things are improving there. The installation of efficient coal, solar, wind, and hydro is paying off.

    If any actual deaths are really a concern, what about the ones in India? There are nearly as many premature deaths from air pollution as in China, and they have a smaller population. Or what about the 100,000 premature deaths in the US? Doing anything about them? Having a prayer vigil? Or do only the deaths that can be pinned to communists matter?
    I provided reports on China's installation of of efficient coal plants earlier.

    Here are some reports showing that their air quality is improving. The first source was one using the 1.6mil figure.
    https://www.stateofglobalair.org/air
    https://ourworldindata.org/air-poll...r-of-deaths-and-dalys-lost-from-air-pollution

    Now, can you provide any sources about the DOE providing this technology, and the Chinese then not using it?
     
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  2. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Trollbait "purposefully" sidetracks from communist chinese (always small letters) "purposefully" murdering Chinese Citizens. What actions occur in India can be considered, "avoidance of death, while everything around you is in chaos". Over 4 decades, American deaths have been cut in half & that includes developing technology without communist chinese help. Saying that tho, racist, sexist, xenophobic, putin-paid ally "don'T rump" is raising pollution limits..... & (murdering more Americans?). U.S. & communist chinese (always small letters) cooperation can be described as U.S. good faith efforts, followed by swift communist chinese (always small letters) efforts to steal more technology & intellectual property, as well as communist chinese (always small letters) dumping & non-competitive practices.
    https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Annual_Report/Chapters/Chapter 1 Section 4 U.S.-China Clean Energy Cooperation.pdf
    "China’s lack of strong IP standards and potential for future com-
    petition with U.S. renewable energy companies remain primary
    challenges to closer cooperation. Analysts and policymakers con-
    tinue to fear that China could reap the benefits of cooperation at
    the expense of U.S. industry and workers."
     
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  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Got it. Deaths from pollution in developing countries with governments you don't like are murder, and in other developing countries they are just the way things are.

    The US is a wealthy first world country, that didn't start cleaning up its pollution until things got bad. We've improved it to the point that people have forgotten how bad it was. Part of the improvement though was simply moving the dirty industries to developing nations.
    "Advanced Power Generation Project is led by LP Amina on the U.S. side and Tsinghua University on the Chinese side. Re-searchers designed and constructed a unique experimental system to research pulverized coal combustion and developed a toolbox of energy conservation and emission reduction tech-nologies for coal-fired power plants. Researchers investigated combustion characteristics of Xinjiang Houxun coal in advanced ultra supercritical (A–USC) boilers. Power plants equipped with A–USC boilers have the potential to dramatically improve efficiency and reduce emissions compared to existing coal-fired power plants. The development of improved A– USC boiler technologies was adopted as a national program in China." - from the link

    The new coal plants in China are supercritical and ultra-supercritical. So what technology did the US share(actually codeveloped with China paying half the bill, from the link) with them that they choose not to use?
    Carbon capture and sequestering? Unless a country has a large petroleum industry to use the CO2 for enhanced oil recovery, and China doesn't, the technology has been expensive up to now. CCS projects are now happening in China.
    IGCC, "clean coal"? It's too expensive. After costs reached twice as much as projected, the largest IGCC+CCS plant switched to natural gas. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...in-america-turns-to-natural-gas/#353e01ed7d26
    All the IGCC plants on this list were cancelled or placed on hold. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.p...on_Combined_Cycle_(IGCC)#Proposed_IGCC_Plants
     
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  4. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Ah, Trollbait continues to twist in the wind, choking out words the communist chinese (always small letters) give him to say. I have clearly told the why & the way communist chinese (always small letters) air-pollution murder Chinese Citizens. communist chinese (always small letters) had been given technology to save air-pollution lives. communist chinese (always small letters) knew the technology would save lives. AND communist chinese (always small letters) knew the technology would save lives, IMMEDIATELY. communist chinese (always small letters) did NOT use the technology, because it IS the business of communist chinese (always small letters) to murder, torture & starve people. NO OTHER peopled organization murdered, tortured & starved to death 100 million BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN, & BABIES, as communist chinese DID, in short order. Yes, Trollbait is point-person, setting forth communist chinese (always small letters) scandalous ideas & denials, to cover the reality of......murderous & torturous communist chinese (always small letters).
     
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  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    If this is so, why can't you name this life saving technology?
     
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  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Ah, Trollbait continues to twist in the wind, choking out words the communist chinese (always small letters) give him to say. I have clearly told the why & the way communist chinese (always small letters) air-pollution murder Chinese Citizens. communist chinese (always small letters) had been given technology to save air-pollution lives. communist chinese (always small letters) knew the technology would save lives. AND communist chinese (always small letters) knew the technology would save lives, IMMEDIATELY. communist chinese (always small letters) did NOT use the technology, because it IS the business of communist chinese (always small letters) to murder, torture & starve people. NO OTHER peopled organization murdered, tortured & starved to death 100 million BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN, & BABIES, as communist chinese DID, in short order. Yes, Trollbait is point-person, setting forth communist chinese (always small letters) scandalous ideas & denials, to cover the reality of......murderous & torturous communist chinese (always small letters).
    What I say is true. But, trollbait will not say, "NO OTHER peopled organization murdered, tortured & starved to death 100 million BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN, & BABIES, as communist chinese DID, in short order.
     
  7. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Can you name this technology or not?
     
  8. litesong

    litesong litesong

    trollbait will not say, "NO OTHER peopled organization murdered, tortured & starved to death 100 million BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN, & BABIES, as communist chinese DID, in short order."
     
  9. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    You claimed the US gave China technology that would reduce their air pollution, and the Chinese government chose not to implement it.

    You have not provided any evidence to support that claim. You can't even name the technology.

    My choosing not to express views on the horrible crimes of the ChiComs here does not in any way reduce the truth of the above statements. In fact, your continued harping about it as a distraction merely highlights that you do not have the evidence to back up your statement.
     
  10. litesong

    litesong litesong

    trollbait does NOT agree that, "NO OTHER peopled organization murdered, tortured & starved to death 100 million BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN, & BABIES, as communist chinese DID, in short order." trollbait also, does NOT agree that the U.S. DOE tried to help communist chinese to lower emissions.
     
  11. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    You are trying to rephrase your initial claim.
    Hoping no one will notice?
    Yes, there was joint programs between the DOE and China is reduce pollution from coal and other areas. You did provide evidence for that. There was no evidence that China delayed putting any technology advances from that into practice. In fact, China had coal plants making use of some of those advances about 6 years before the US did.
    https://www.power-technology.com/projects/yuhuancoal/
    https://www.powermag.com/first-u-s-ultrasupercritical-power-plant-in-operation/

    Until you can prove that China delayed using a technology to reduce pollution, there can be no discussion on why they did so?
     
  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    History & communist chinese (always small letters) admissions tells why communist chinese delayed pollution technology. communist chinese (always small letters) murdered, tortured & starved to death, 100 million of its own BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN & BABIES to stamp its totalitarian dictatorship in the brains of Chinese Citizen survivors. communist chinese (always small letters) has no morality to stop murdering, torturing & starving to death its own Chinese People by high pollution indexes. trollbait thinks it can control the discussion, if trollbait denies history & communist chinese (always small letters) admissions.
     
  13. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    I am not denying history.
    I am asking for you to back up your claims with evidence, but you can't even name the technology that the DOE provided to China that they refused to implement.
     
  14. S Keith

    S Keith Well-Known Member

    Gentlemen (assuming you are both male and potentially deserve the label),

    STFU

    Additionally, litesong, if you're going to do something purposefully asinine (always small letters), at least make sure you are 100% consistent. Posts 62, 66, 68, 70 and 72 have "communist chinese" without the trailing "(always small letters)". At least stand by your stupidity with consistency. It just goes to show how sloppy you are.

    Wayne is a very patient person.
     
  15. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yes, Wayne is a very patient person.
     
  16. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

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