2018 Tesla Model 3 - 210 mile "Standard" or 310 mile "Long Range"

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ksstathead:

    Level3 charging on the Tesla Supercharger network for the Model 3 costs $'s. I am not sure how much however?

    Wayne
     
  2. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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  3. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    Perspective... so, a little under 15 gallons "free gas."
     
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  4. ksstathead

    ksstathead Moderator

    So 4 to 5 cents per mile for fuel which seems reasonable, though not as low as the Prius and Leaf right now in my world.
     
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  5. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    The Model 3 goes about 4.2 miles on each kWh (aka 141MPGe), so it is ~4.8¢ / mile. And there is no regular maintenance. That is a totally reasonable. The free 400kWh will take you about 1,680 miles, which is also good.
     
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  6. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    The 400 kWh per year free offer is reminiscent of the Toyota Prius Prime $100 charging credit with ChargePoint, expiring after 100 days. The Tesla deal is better. :) The one CP charger near my work costs $0.20/kWh, which is reasonable for this area. Today, I was "iced" by a Tesla Model S of all things. It was just parked there, not even plugged in. The other slot was taken by a Chevy Volt which is almost always there. The Volt owner works in the building where the CP charger is located. No gripes with the Volt owner, but the Model S? Grrr. (S)he should know better.

    Edit: changed one word to two - charging --> plugged in
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    $0.20/kWh from a Supercharger in California and through your CP charger is not bad. Regarding a Model 3 at an EPA of approximately 3 miles/kWh, to drive 50 miles is consumes 16.6 kWh or $3.33 per 50 miles. Still much more expensive than a 50 mpg rated vehicle but still not as bad as some of the CP and former Blink Charging station rates.

    Wayne
     
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  8. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Wayne,
    Still cheaper to drive a Prius than a Tesla. :)
    On the other hand the Tesla does have a serious cool factor.

    Al
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Al:

    Yes indeed. Until this is balanced out with either much higher fuel costs or lower electricity rates, a BEV does not work an pushes TCO further into the negative here in Southern Calif. for those that charge at home or when charging at the rates from numerous charging stations.

    Wayne
     
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  10. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Regular maintenance: about $600/yr on the Model S to participate in Tesla's "maintenance plan". I haven't seen the rates for the Model 3.

    "If I choose not to service my Tesla vehicle, will this void my warranty or Resale Value Guarantee?
    It is highly recommended that you service your Tesla vehicle every 12 months or every 12,500 miles, whichever occurs first. If you do not follow this recommendation, your New Vehicle Limited Warranty or Pre-Owned Vehicle Limited Warranty will not be affected. During the agreement period of the Extended Service Agreement, your coverage may be affected if recommended service is not performed. See the Tesla Extended Service Plan Terms and Conditions for further details. If you are financing your Tesla vehicle through Tesla Financing, you will only be eligible for the full Resale Value Guarantee if your Tesla vehicle is brought in for service per the above recommended timeline."

    https://www.tesla.com/support/maintenance-plans
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    The maintenance service plans on the S and X are higher than I would have thought? Of course dealership "plans" are all very expensive.

    For our Sonata Hybrid, lifetime alignment (forever) w/ once a year on the rack at Firestone is $169.95.

    Oil changes are $40/ if I buy the 0W-20 oil and filter and have the local dealership change out every 7,500 miles. I change my own to save a few $s. $320 for 4 years of oil changes over 60k miles.

    A cabin air filter is $30 IIRC?

    One set of wiper blades go for < $15.00.

    $635 after 4-years and 60k miles.

    Wayne
     
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  12. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Wayne,

    Well if Toyota wanted to punk Tesla they could put on a Prius Prime challenge or an Eco-Canonball run with a Tesla 3. A New York to Long Beach run and see which car gets there first and at the cheapest rate, .20 per KwH and regular gas is averaging around $2.35 a gallon. 2,830 miles cross country would be roughly $125.50 for the Prius and based on Neil's numbers above, the Tesla 3 would cost you $135.85 to make the same trip.

    If that was too long of a distance they could cut that in half and make the run from New York to Key West, 1,438 miles. That would be $69 for the Tesla and $64 for the Prius.

    Al
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Al:

    I sent that proposal a long time ago as it was a slam dunk even when not considering the fuel. The full-electric segment residuals are just to low to compete right now.

    Wayne
     
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  14. kbergene

    kbergene Active Member

    Correct, if you assume electricity costs about $.20 per kWh.

    I just became aware of a program in Minnesota (where I live) that allows residential charging at .03 per kWh. (Xcel Energy, 2nd residential meter, used from 9pm to 9am only. 15c per kWh during daytime hours.) So if I did my math correctly, that works out to about $.01 per mile.

    The hardest part of comparative economics that I'm running into is solid insurance quotes on a Model 3.
     
  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    HI All:

    And in conclusion, it is still a darn good looking car.

    2018 Tesla Model3

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    Wayne
     
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  16. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Does an electric car really need a grill, or mouth, or whatever that is, in front?
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Redylc94:

    It still needs some cooling whether that is for the batteries, motors, or inverter(s), or all of the above.

    Wayne
     
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  18. RichXKU

    RichXKU Well-Known Member

    Correct for all of this, plus the air conditioning condenser and compressor are up front and get hot too.
     
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  19. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    True, but that should be a lot less waste energy to be thrown away, than there is from the radiator of a car with a combustion engine. Therefore I'd suspect the conventional-looking grill opening is mostly fake, included to make the car look aetheticallly "normal."
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Redylcc94:

    Crash protection is also part of the design. Not any openings themselves but the face and crush space.

    Wayne
     
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