2017 Hyundai Ioniq HEV Available Now, BEV in April, and PHEV This Fall

Discussion in 'Hyundai' started by xcel, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Another thought for the under performance of the Ioniq LTD. Could a brand new Ioniq or Niro just need time to set fuel and transmission performance parameters in the ECU/PCU? I know that my Acura sets PCU and ECU parameters according to driving style and that these parameters require some driving before they all set. Disconnecting the battery does a reset and then they all have to be set again over time.
     
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  2. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I was unfamiliar with the 'P2' terminology so I went looking... this old (2011) article seems to be good reading.

    http://www.hybridcars.com/hybrid-car-affordability-leaps-forward-p2-technology-29761/

    Recent history validates many of the points (many P2 hybrids) , but also provides more questions (e.g. effects of the new EPA's actions).

    I don't worry much about the power drain with power split transmissions at higher speeds. Just keep the build volume up and the costs down. I also have nothing against the P2 hybrids and hope for their proliferation.

    Edit: added a missing word
     
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  3. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    The wheel and tire combo will have a big impact, no doubt. The limited's 225/45r17's are 1.2 inches wider (vs. 195/65r15) -- that's 2.4 inches more FA for the aero and 4.8 inches more rubber to be squashed and unsquashed for the RR, ..and the 17" spoke design is much more open (not to mention the 2" greater diameter) than the 15" design.... lots more room for underbody air to tumble through and drag the car down at highway speeds.

    Click on the SEL vs Limited to see the wheel difference (colors&trims):
    https://www.hyundaiusa.com/ioniq-hybrid/gallery.aspx
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I was up until almost 03:30 am this morning typing up some of the details of the Limited's shortcomings to some important folks.

    2017 Hyundai Ioniq Limited

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    Considering the exterior, it just looks better than its main rival from any angle. The large front chrome grille with a more masculine wrap around lamps, sharp angled wraparound LED DRLs and sculpted LED fog lamp cutouts look more modern and dare I say contemporary. The profile's ubiquitous wing profile is no different but the chrome belt line and wrap up into the roof line, lower plasti-chrome like rocker panel trim, and 17" alloys make this Ioniq one you would never be embarrassed to own. Out back it is a bit soft from the aero tabbed corners but the large rear tail lamps and hard plastic insert blunts the bulbous rear end somewhat.

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    While completing the F&R seating pics, pups was photobombing. ;)

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    Built off the Elantra platform, rear seat knee, leg, and headroom are a bit tighter. The front seating ergo is just as nice as that of the Elantra thankfully.

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    The Profile. Not quite the curb appeal of a Volt but better than the Prius.

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    A bit soft out back.​

    Moving inside, the 26.5 cu. ft. of cargo volume looks solid but in a very compartmentalized way. From the hatch lip, the drop and squared off edges around the wheel wells create utility but more in the good height and ok width plus shorter length vs. broader width and longer length plus lower height of others hatches.

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    Limited's built in cargo cover works well. No screwing around with taking it out, storage, and reinstalling.​

    When we get to the interior, the entire dash is soft touch but it has no 3-D layering, no contrast stitching, and only the bright bezel surrounds of the vents and piano black edges around the central display and shifter add class. There are no inserts in the doors or surrounding the window controls either. Just the plastic cutout similar to other compact segment offerings. The A-Pillar is a plastic covering. The bright handles stand out. This design is great to keep costs and weight down but there are few upscale design cues.

    Most here know how much I enjoy sitting in the Hyundai seats. Good support w/out impinging on my thighs or shoulders plus slightly longer lower seat cushions for lower thigh support vs. other compacts. The sun visors are telescopic and provide complete coverage and a damped sunglass holder is standard. The glove box is not very deep or tall but the huge manuals fit within.

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    Non-distinct dash and instrument hood. The leather wrapped D-wheel is soft enough and provides easier egress/ingress to the driver’s seat.

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    Plain door trim with no upscale insert and simple window controls cut into the plastic with no high end bezel/surround. Door handles are the only standout here.

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    So few OEMs get this simple design feature/function right. Hyundai gets it. ;)

    And the Infotainment? 8" display is large enough and the split window - NAVI and Audio works excellent. Trying to Voice navigate the embedded NAVI is like most vehicles, FUBAR. Until you get Android Auto involved that is. With Android Auto, the voice control and especially traffic projections are much more accurate and easier to see but a Garmin offers a better GUI and better junction views although Garmin voice control on the higher end units is just as frustrating.

    The Qi charger is the best in any vehicle I have ever drive. Drop the S5 or S8+ in, it charges. No problems after tens of starts and stops. It is large enough for a future Galaxy Note and it always works.

    The Infinity audio system - made by Harmon Kardon - has the Clari-Fi system. It brings back some of the sound stage from a very compressed source - XM, but induces a slight echo chamber like effect when listening to talk radio with multiple presenters in a round table.

    Having knobs for both Pwr/Vol and very fast dial Tuning is standard in older vehicles but with today’s push for cheaper all digital interfaces, others F’ed up while Hyundai did not.

    Bluetooth connection with the S8 and S8+ is < 5 seconds on first detection and sync and seamless with each restart. An oddity here is that Android 7.0 allows Android Auto to launch on the phone without having it tied to the car though USB? The system is only displayed on the phone locking out everything else until manually unlocked. That was just a little weird and it did this on every push of the Start button.

    On the safety front, the steerable Xenon lamps worked excellent although I did receive some high beam flashes from oncoming traffic even though the Hi-beams were not active. The steerable lamps coming back on center seemed to be about 250 to 500 ms behind the wheel when coming to center. The high beams are also not Auto like or 17 Sonata Hybrid Limited’s are? There is Lane Departure Warning but Lane Keep Assist is mysteriously absent? Stranger still, this is a high-end trim feature of the new Forte yet the Sonata, Elantra, and now Ioniq Limited trims lack it?

    The Radar CC has three settings. In the normal and even better, the gentle setting – I forgot what the display actually stated – it is right up there with the best in the industry. Not quite the 4th gen Prius’ low G accel and decel but as good as the Audi system with decent 25+ degrees off the front corner detection.

    While it has been designed to achieve both a 5-Star on the NHTSA and a Top Safety Pick+ rating from the IIHS, neither agency has tested the Ioniq of any trim as of this writing.

    All told, the 2017 Hyundai Ioniq Limited would not reach my drive given the $31k upfront cost and the lower than desirable efficiency - possibly due to the 17s, the SEL ($23,950) with the Tech Package ($1,000) incl. Auto Braking, RCC, and LDW might? We will have to wait a while longer on that one.

    Wayne
     
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  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Wayne. I think all of us important folks :cool: here at cleanmpg appreciate the detailed information.
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    I did not mean to make it sound like a spy novel. :D :D :D

    I was relaying design shortfalls to an Ioniq team lead in Korea and the Limited's drive train deficiencies to a US team lead. That is about as far as I had better go with that. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    We have covered the big picture overviews of the Ioniqs with their three very unique drivetrains, the first drive at the short lead, and described 500 miles of wheel time within the Ioniq Hybrid Limited in this very thread.

    This week's ride is the Ioniq Limited with the Ultimate pkg. and it is time to describe the Electrics efficiency in detail.

    150/122/136 MPGe and 124 mile rated 2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric Limited

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    The Speed vs Energy Efficiency graph generated from the 88 kW/118 hp and 28.1 kWh Li-Ion traction battery equipped 2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric Limited ($32,500 + $835 D&H) is a bit unusual. The Hyundai Specs state it is a 28.0 kWh pack while the EPA is stating (360 V x 78 AH) 28.1 kWh.

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    Showing off its attractive profile with a Lake Michigan backdrop.​

    The 25 kWh/100 mi or 4 mi/kWh combined EPA rating of the 2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric is a bit misconstrued here as the 150/122/136 MPGe rating does not include an Electric only EPA highway rating. With most electrics, the highway efficiency drops significantly from its city rating as indicated by the MPGe result so a combined rating would normally indicate lower highway results. In the case of the 2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric, it performed very well through the averaged 70 mph NB and SB measured runs.

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    The steady state(s) were undertaken just after midnight on Monday morning with temperatures ranging from 63 to 66 degrees F. Winds were 0 to 5 mph out of the W during the northbound and southbound measured segments.

    I did not have a Kill-A-Watt meter to come up with the full aECD vs Actual offset unfortunately. The Odometer offset is (1.0142*Trip Odometer) = Actual distance traveled.

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    Regarding charging, it takes a while to fill the 28 kWh pack on a Level1 of course. From 20 percent to 100 percent took 20-hours and 42 minutes vs the 20-hours and 40-min estimated. Excellent estimate in fact. On a 6kW Level2 through the included 6.6 kW charger, just over 4.5 hours should see a complete charge from flat.

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    04:15 AM to 12:57 AM the following day. Charging cord display taken about 30-minutes before completion.​

    The charging cord has an LCD display that indicates a SoC level just as the 3 blinking lights on the dash do while the car is shut down. Booted up, the central display indicates actual SoC in 1 percent increments and estimated range to MT.

    The four levels of regen control via the paddle shifters is kind of screwy. You can use them to slow at various strengths but it is not going to stop as below approximately 5 mph, regen releases. Using paddles instead of your foot is ... well, not exactly intuitive but you will learn it quickly. I liked the no regen selection for an almost pure glide and only evoked regen when I hit the brake pedal.

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    Under the hood.​

    Moving inside, it is a very plain interior design as described previously. The Ultimate Pkg ($3,500) spruces it up with the addition of steerable HIDs, NAVI, power roof, Auto Emergency Braking (AEB), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Qi charger, and LED interior lighting.

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    It is really quiet. There is good pickup to about 35 mph but it falls off from 35 to 70. It includes the excellent std. Elantra/Ioniq seating ergonomics, and chassis dynamics is firmly planted between the Leaf on the bottom and e-Golf on the top.

    Having to purchase the Ultimate to get AEB and LDW but no LKA falls a bit short imho.

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    The Charging cord bag cannot fit below the storage floor which was a design mistake imho.​

    I found the 23.8 cu.ft. of cargo volume just as useful as the std. Ioniq's 26.5 cu.ft. minus about 4" of floor depth.

    The $36.835 as driven price even with the $10k of Fed and State Giveaways if you qualify brings the Electric down to $27,835 + Tax on the $36,835 and TL. That is a lot of $s for a car with just 124 miles of AER.

    Efficient yes. Practical? For some.

    Wayne
     
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  8. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    This car would take care of 98% of my transportation needs. Metra (train) , Uber , and Enterprise will do the rest. Who really needs the 200+ range of the Bolt and Model 3 ? Some people may THINK they do.
     
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  9. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    If Hyundai can get the Ioniq EV over the 200 mile range there would be more attention to it, over 300 miles and you will get my attention.
     
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  10. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I'd like the Ioniq with a Volt drivetrain...
     
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  11. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I'd like 200+ miles, I frequently do trips to the lake that are 100+ miles. It's nice to have the reserve for hot summer or cold winter days running the HVAC, and battery degradation.
     
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  12. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    The Ioniq with a Volt type system would be a winner in my book. My wife and I own a 2016 Volt, it delivers in
    summer 60 miles or more of electric miles, thats pure electric no gas engine kicks in when you floor it up to top speed 100 MPH.
    The 1.5 direct injection gas engine, has 101 HP, and runs on good ole 87 octane, delivers 45+ mpg just on gas, now with summer most of
    our trips we are hitting 50 mpg or more on gas and 65 miles or so on electric.

    At least with our Volt nothing seems to come close to matching it. Even our 2010 Prius only gets a few more miles per gallon than the Volt
    when the Volt is running on the gas engine.
     
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  13. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    A cam drive belt or accessory (including water pump) drive belt? The latter is cheap, compared to an electric coolant pump. The electric pump may indeed help conserve energy, but I doubt it's a net benefit as to long-term maintenance costs.
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Driving the most fuel efficient rated vehicle in America doesn’t mean you have to compromise.

    The 2017 Hyundai IONIQ received the 2017 Green Good Design Award from the Chicago Athenaeum: Museum of Architecture and Design and the European Center for Architecture Art Design and Urban Studies. The Green Good Design Awards celebrate important examples of sustainable designs and provide awareness on what companies are designing and producing to make the most positive impact on the environment.

    2017 Hyundai Ioniq

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    At the Walt Disney Concert Hall in LA.​

    For 2017, 100 designs were awarded Green Good Design Awards from 23 nations. IONIQ was recognized among the world’s most advanced products, designs and projects representing leading companies that have an emphasis on sustainability. The thoughtful and innovative work by Hyundai’s design teams helped IONIQ become recognized as one of the best ecological and sustainable designs in transportation for 2017. Now in its eighth year, Green Good Design Award is a specialized edition of the original the Good Design program.

    Wayne
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While still preliminary, things are firming up. We might have both an SEL AND a Blue trim Ioniq heading our way beginning in just two weeks for some extensive distance drive(s). LA to San Diego to Phoenix to Flagstaff to LA to San Diego for the first loop. That will lock down the aFCD offset and a more accurate distance per pip at the various speeds. Next is a cross country drive from San Diego to Jacksonville and maybe even the possibility of a drive back to LA via some far more interesting route(s).

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    A 2017 Hyundai Ioniq hitting the open road.​

    Wayne
     
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  16. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Nice ! Is that where Hyundai builds this car ? Jacksonville ?
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    HI Edwin:

    Must be? ;)

    I posted this in the hot deal forum and I may as well post it here too.

    Here we go again... :)

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    Picture is linked.​

    For those interested, MIlls Farm and Fleet has 5-gal. Midwest Gasoline Containers for just $9.99 and the shipping for under $50 - 5 cans - is ridiculously low.

    Wayne
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2018 Hyundai Ioniq is finally available in all three trims, the Hybrid, Electric, and Plug-in hybrid. The Hybrid and Electric are carryovers from the all-new 2017 models. The Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid is all new for 2018. Pricing and AER for the PHEV should be announced shortly.

    2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-25+

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    Paddle Shifters are now available on the Ioniq HEV and standard on the Ioniq PHEV. The Ioniq Electric continues to apply Regenerative Brake Level Control Paddles

    On the safety front, the former Lane Departure Warning (LDW) now also includes the Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS). I wish this was on the 17s as well.

    Wayne
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The Coast to Coast on a Benjamin drive was canceled late Friday afternoon as MT decided they could not give up three staff members for a week on the road. Damn it as the (5) Midwest 5-gallon containers - they actually hold just over 6-gallons right below the filler neck - arrived at about the same time. :(

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    Wayne
     
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  20. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    Sorry your plans fell through, Wayne. 3 staffers... they probably can't all take vacations at the same time, either.
     
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