2017 Hyundai Ioniq HEV Available Now, BEV in April, and PHEV This Fall

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay and Alster:

    I am working on something with the most popular trim, the SEL, but plans and proposals are just notes on a page until we get one on the road.

    I may have a way to produce a more accurate Speed vs FE graph despite the large as designed SoC swings. The I5 through Camp Pendleton is about 25 miles from end to end with elevations ranging from just 10' ASL to over 200' ASL. There are two spots near the beginning and end that are about 75' to 80' ASL. If the NB I5 Border Patrol station is open, I could run the full 25+ mile segment at a given speed and do the same on the way back, subtract or add for each pip of SoC and come up with a somewhat accurate number once I have an aFCD offset and what a SoC pip is worth in terms of distance after a lengthy review drive. It will take a few hours between 11:30 pm and 04:30 am on a Saturday or Sunday night but it should be doable?

    Wayne
     
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  2. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Good luck, Wayne. The steady state graphs are extremely useful to me since I drive mostly highway. It's what the EPA should be doing instead of just taking money and rubber-stamping manufacturer calculations.
     
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  3. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    Thanks - somehow, I thought the Ioniq was significantly smaller, in the back, in particular.
     
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  4. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    I'd much rather see the Limited since it has all the bells and whistles.
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I have seen the front end of these two super hybrids parked in front of Hyundai’s U.S. HQ in Fountain Valley, Calif. tens of times while traveling the infamous 405 between LA and San Diego.

    This is the first time I have seen the pair from the other side while looking out towards Southern California's nemesis.

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    Meet the 2017 #Hyundai #Ioniq #Hybrid and Plug-in Hybrid. The black Ioniq Electric is just out of frame to the right.

    The Hyundai tagline, "It is easier to make better choices when all the choices are better." makes a lot of sense here. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Early this morning I completed the first non-calibrated drive on my own routes of the 55/54 mpgUS city/highway rated 2017 Hyundai Ioniq Limited. Temps ranged from 59 to 64 degrees, winds were out of the W at 5 to 15 on the mostly NB run from Midway Airport in Chicago to my parents home on the IL/WI border. Tire pressures cold were at placard with the std. 1 to 2 psi gain while driving according to the individual tire TPMS display. Elevation delta showed a net gain of 20' from start to finish. Adding to the results, Chicago EPA non-attainment fuel certainly does not help matters but I have dealt with this fuel for decades. I was also running at 90 to 95 percent of max effort between ~ 02:30 am and 04:00 am through downtown Chicago this morning.

    While still just preliminary, the Limited 17s at first glance appear to take down the Ioniq platform handedly.

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    Wayne
     
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  7. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Looks like anyone buying the Limited will want to pull the silly wagonwheels off, stuff them in the back of the garage, and bolt on some nice 195-65-15 FuelMax tires on light alloys, and keep them 'properly inflated'.
    I'm not sure all the extra electrocrap stuffed into the Limited (heated valve stems, anti-lock doors, apple car-droids, 2400 watt radio) counts much for a depressed EPA number. I think it's the silly wheel treatment.
    They need to bring back the "1970s Base Model" trim package, with nice DR78-14 tires, and pizza-pan hub caps covering shrunken brake discs (who needs brakes anyway).
     
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  8. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, the 17s on the LTD are the only ones that look nice. The 15s are pretty nasty. What Hyundai needed is a narrow 15" version of the 17s in the same style. Wayne, what do you think you could have gotten in the Toyota Prius two eco on the same route?
     
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  9. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    That "Rack" place that sells Tires has some nice "A18" 15" alloys in gunmetal gray that weigh only 15 pounds, and the matching Fuel Max tires are on sale, too.
    The Ioniq platform is so capable that it's a shame they handicap it with wacky wheel combinations, or in the case of the Niro - a luggage rack?!

    Sure, 70+ is great compared to most of what's out there on the road. But what's not so great is that it takes that level of effort to reach that. Compare to the Niro last December that pulled that sort of result in a crossover form factor in freezing weather...
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay:

    A bit more but we are comparing the hyper efficient Two Eco with the least efficient Ioniq Limited.

    This afternoon I had my mom take out the Ioniq Limited on her std. errand drive(s). I am also posting her drive of the Prius Two Eco a few weeks back on the same roads and routes albeit there was some rain today.

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    Wayne
     
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  11. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I'm not familiar with either car's display, is that the Ioniq display on the bottom left and Prius display on the bottom right? 58.7 vs 77.6 mpg?
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Mike:

    Yes, that is correct. Two Ioniq displays on the lower left and the single Prius Two Eco display on the lower right.

    After sitting in the Civic Hatch for two hours Monday afternoon, and on an airplane for almost 4-hours Monday night, the Ioniq seats were a godsend for the next 2 hours from Chicago to the IL/WI border. I am in Elkhart Lake, WI right now and after that 1.5 hour drive, I cannot tell you how comfortable these seats are compared to the rest of the segment.

    I hope to be able to drive the same Ioniq Limited back and this weekend will attempt to knock out some long distance steady states between the IL/WI border and Milwaukee and back on I-94 this weekend. Even after 65 miles, the aFCD had a 3.5 mpg swing from top to bottom of the SoC. I will compensate the best I can if the weather is any good.

    Wayne
     
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  13. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    I suspect that the Prius will beat the Ioniq in low-speed, around-town driving--even comparing similar models. Out on the highway, where I do most of my driving, I suspect the Ioniq will excel. I'm very interested in the steady-state results. The highway miles aren't official till Wayne tests them. :)
     
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  14. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    I just don't think the Ioniq blue drive will beat the Prius Eco in mpg's. I still have a feeling that Hyundai may have had their thumb on the scales when it came to the EPA figures. I know Hyundai did on the Elantra a few years ago, and had to payout money to the owners, our secretary was one of them...
     
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  15. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    I think Hyundai's thumb is under the scale rather than on it. With the new generation models, people seem to consistently meet and beat EPA, even when driving like Thelma & Louise.
    The EPA numbers for current H/K cars seem to be about 10% low, which leads to happier owners, and some wild numbers for the CleanMPG group. That being said, I think the Ioniq Limited is a luxo-barge version, similar to the Lexus HS250 as opposed to the Prius, which lines up more with the Blue/SEL versions.
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    What a difference a day makes and it was a good one. It is worth the wait... There was a 10+ mph tail wind for today's 99.2 mile run from Plymouth, WI to Zion, IL this afternoon which surely helped.

    We now have a calibration offset and approximate SoC pip worth at 55 mph in the Ioniq Limited. Processing pics now.

    Wayne
     
  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2017 Hyundai Ioniq Limited Calibration Drive

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    At the Road America Main Gate and initial top off in Plymouth, WI. 804' ASL w/ 8-bar SoC and displays reset.

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    Zion, IL Shell.

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    aFCD = 87.2 mpg over 97.9 mi at 619' ASL w/ 7-bar SoC​

    Temps ranged from 60 to 69 degrees, winds were out of the N at 10 to 15 on the mostly SB run from a calibration top off refuel in Plymouth, WI to a Shell in Zion, IL.

    99.2 mi on 1.122 gal - 88.4 mpg calculated actual

    SoC - Start 8-bars, finish 7-bars = ~ 0.4 miles at 50 mph and 0.6 miles at 30 mph within the #7 and #8 SoC pips. The last two miles were at 30 to 35 mph through downtown Zion and Winthrop Harbor, IL.

    98.6 miles on 1.122 gal = 87.9 mpg actual vs. 87.2 mpg indicated when taking into account the SoC consumption.

    Based on the Ioniq Limited's Trip A/B, 97.4 mi on 1.122 gal = 86.8 mpg vs. 87.2 mpg indicated.

    Given the 185' descent from start to finish over the 99.2 miles, this drive would have come in at approximately 85 mpg if the start and finish altitudes were equivalent.

    Wayne
     
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  18. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Wow, big improvement over the 72.8mpg run earlier and your mom's 58.7mpg run in the rain.
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay:

    It sure is although this was wind aided...

    Another cool metric is when I was running through a 10-mile stop and crawl through Milwaukee. The numbers were moving up quickly. I saw 89.2 as a high just as the traffic began to move. Most interesting is that when I ran through the available charge - down to 5-bars indicated from the bottom, the engine started but only for about 20 to 30 seconds providing enough SoC to drive another few blocks in the worst of it. Smart programming in almost serial hybrid mode. The pack will provide a very long distance if you are up around 9 to 10 bars down to 5 bars before the forced ICE on mode. I am thinking it was close to 2.5 miles while crawling around between 0 and 10 mph.

    That was impressive and something a Prius would have run out of pack after quite a bit shorter distance before transitioning to a Serial Hybrid mode like action in heavy stop and crawl.

    It was a really good learning experience.

    Wayne
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    This week's ride is courtesy of Hyundai in the form of the 55/54 mpg city/highway 2017 #Ioniq #Hybrid in Limited Trim ($27,500) w/ the Ultimate pkg. ($3,000) and mats ($125). It retails for $31,460 and includes steerable HIDs, 17" alloys, power sunroof, leather, power seats w/ memory, proximity key, dual auto climate, auto dim rear view, 8" central display with embedded NAVI, Apple CarPlay, and Android Auto, Infinity high end audio, Qi charger, Auto Emergency Braking, Radar CC, Lane Departure Warning - no Lane Keep Assist, and rear parking sensors to name a few of the highlights.

    2017 Hyundai Ioniq Limited

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    At the Road America main entrance gate.​

    What it offers the consumer is the efficiency of the Prius lineup without the polarizing exterior and odd interior bits.

    In the fully loaded Limited trim, the larger 17s vs. the more efficient 15's on the SEL and Blue trims plus extra weight hamper its capability a bit but yesterday afternoon's drive proved it to be an excellent addition to a future consumers drive.

    If there was a standout besides the excellent efficiency, it is the seating ergonomics for taller drivers. Having driven almost the entire C-segment (compact cars), there is none that offers the long distance comfort of the Hyundai Ioniq and Elantra seats from which it is based.

    Another highlight is the Infinity based Clari-fi audio system w/ 8-speakers. As a listener of XM, the compressed satellite stream takes away from the auditory experience and the system helps bring some of the stage back with algorithms to fill what was stripped without sounding fake.

    Pricing is a bit steep for the fully ladened Ioniq Limited whereas the SEL ($23,950) is more my style by offering more efficiency, lower emissions, and a lower TCO plus the advanced safety functionality in the Tech pkg. ($1,000).

    The R&H quotient is good enough with just a bit of roll into the turn in before it flattens out, and the steering is quick enough with mild understeer to feel "sporty".

    More to come as the week rolls into the weekend but for now, I thank Hyundai for offering yet another great choice to the highly fuel efficient marketplace. It allows consumers to place more of their hard earned $s back into their pocket instead of into the pump while being able to drive comfortably and dare I say "classy".
    The 5/50 bumper to bumper, 10/100 Powertrain incl. hybrid components, 5-year unlimited mileage roadside assistance and the Lifetime pack warranty for the original owner is best in segment. Segment? No, best in the industry!
     
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