2017 Hyundai Ioniq HEV Available Now, BEV in April, and PHEV This Fall

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Moving on to the 2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV, I just saw the official specs on the Hyundai media site and they are now showing 29-miles AER.

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    A nice Thanksgiving day present just weeks before it begins to reach dealership showrooms.

    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hyundai Donates Six Ioniqs to Three National Parks

    [​IMG] A hyper-efficient vehicle given to a group that needs this kind of vehicle most.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – Nov. 5, 2017

    2018 Hyundai Ioniq in Limited trim

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    2018 Hyundai Ioniq Blue trim - $23,210 to start including mats and the $885 D&H charge. SEL and Limited trims come in at $24,960 and $28,510 respectively with mats and the D&H charge. All of the trims are equipped with the brands most efficient 1.6L “Kappa” model engine and a 1.56 kWh Li-Po traction battery feeding a 43 hp electric motor set in between the I4 engine and the 6-speed DCT providing a combined 139 hp. The Hybrid drivetrain provides std. propulsion via P&G’ing the Li-Po, assists to provide more power when demanded, regenerates power to the battery during braking, and provides short range all-electric functionality -- > 80 mph despite 75 mph being the spec.

    Passenger and cargo volume are 96.2/26.5 cu. ft. respectively for all trims as well. While they arrive with air inflator kits, a mini-spare can be purchased and drops into the spare tire well without incidence.

    Pricing for the 2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 has not been released but I am expecting it as soon as possibly tomorrow?

    The Blue and SEL trims arrive with 15” alloys and Michelin Energy Saver A/S 195/65R15 tires. The Limited trim includes 17” alloys and Michelin Primacy MXM4 225/45R17.

    2018 Hyundai Ioniq Trim Features

    The Blue trim includes the following:
    • Active grille shutters
    • Dual manual-folding bodycolor power side mirrors
    • Projector headlamps with DRLs
    • Auto headlamps
    • Door handle approach lamps
    • Power windows with driver's auto-down/up
    • 6-way manual driver seat with seat height adjustment and lumbar support
    • Cloth interior
    • 60/40 split fold-down rear seat
    • Dual illuminated vanity mirrors
    • Sunvisor extensions
    • Center armrest storage
    • Front passenger seatback pocket
    • Tilt-and-telescopic wheel
    • Wheel mounted audio, BT and CC
    • Proximity Key with push button start
    • Smartphone/USB and auxiliary input jacks
    • AM/FM/HD Radio/XM audio
    • 7" touchscreen display
    • Android Auto & Apple CarPlay
    The SEL adds the following to the Blue trim:
    • Heated side mirrors
    • Side mirrors with turn-signal indicators
    • Chrome beltline molding
    • Lower door side moldings
    • LED taillamps
    • 10-way power driver seat with power lumbar support
    • Heated front seats
    • Rear center armrest with cupholders
    • Leather-wrapped wheel and shift knob
    • 7" LCD instrument cluster
    • Blind Spot Detection (BSD) with Rear Cross-traffic Alert and Lane Change Assist
    An SEL Tech Pkg. ($1,000) is available that includes Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) with Pedestrian Detection, Lane Departure Warning (LDW), and Smart Cruise Control (SCC).

    The Limited trim adds the following to the SEL trim:
    • Limited adds HID headlamps
    • Power sunroof
    • Front passenger window auto-down/up
    • Leather
    • Blue Link Telematics System
    • Auto-dimming rearview mirror with HomeLink and compass
    • LED interior illumination
    The Ultimate Package for Limited trim ($3,000) adds the following:
    • Automatic Emergency Braking
    • Smart Cruise Control
    • Lane Departure Warning
    • Headlights with Dynamic Bending Light (DBL)
    • Rear parking sensors
    • Embedded Navi w/ 8" display
    • Infinity Premium Audio with Clari-Fi & 8 speakers
    • Wireless Device Charging
    • Blue Link Guidance Package (for 3 years, enrollment required)
    • Integrated Memory System (IMS) for driver seat
    • Floor console-mounted rear vents
    • Cargo cover
    2018 Hyundai Ioniq Limited Trim

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    Earlier today Hyundai announced it has donated six 2018 Hyundai Ioniq Hybrids to the National Park Service for use by staff at three national parks. Two Ioniqs were given to the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia and North Carolina, two to the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area in California, and two to the National Capital Parks (East) in Washington, D.C. The vehicles were delivered to the parks during the past week and will be put into use immediately.

    Reginald Chapple, Division Chief of Partnerships & Philanthropy for the National Park Service:
    The Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid in its most efficient Blue trim is the most fuel-efficient car in America with an EPA-rating of 57/59 mpgUS city/highway. The SEL and Limited trims provide owners with a 55/54 mpgUS city/highway rating.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2018 Hyundai Ioniq IIHS Crash Tests have been completed and as of this test cycle, the lineup achieved Top Safety Pick status, not Top Safety Pick Plus status. A year ago, the Ioniq lineup would have achieved the Plus rating due to the perfect structural crash test scores of Good across the board. For 2018 however, the IIHS has incorporated its headlamp scores and in this one instance, the Limited trims HIDs scored Acceptable while the SEL/Blue trims projector halogen headlamps achieved a Poor rating.

    I suspect Hyundai engineers are already reworking the headlamps on both the Blue/SEL and Limited trims and soon afterwards will pay to have both trims retested. When they achieve Good on both, they will have earned their TSP + rating for the model. Hyundai works in mid-year updates to strengthen their crash test scores more than any other OEM.

    The 2018 Hyundai Ioniq IIHS infographic directly below is linked back to the test results detail where you can read more about the headlamp(s) shortfalls.

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    Wayne
     
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    From the 2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 first drive earlier this week, I am going to post some of the presentation slides I found to be most pertinent. Hyundai's Mike O'Brien, VP of Product, Corporate and Digital Planning was on hand presenting the Alt Fuel U.S. market overview.

    Alternative Powertrain Market Share and Recent Sales Detail

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    Within this slide, Mike was quick to point out that HEV share has been essentially stagnant the past 6 years with a 2.1 percent share back in 2011 and what I calculated as a 2.16 percent average share through the first three quarters of 2017. What has changed over the same period however is the PHEV and BEV share. Not only are there far more PHEV and BEV offerings available to the U.S. consumer - 1 PHEV in 2011 and 15 in 2016, 3 BEVs in 2011 and 13 in 2016 - the share has climbed in lockstep. Through the first three quarters of 2017, EV and PHEV share has averaged 0.58 and 0.51 percent respectively. Considering November 2017 sales as an island, BEV and PHEV sales has reached a share of 0.6 percent each, the highest in history.

    This late year share increase result could be skewed a bit as both OEMs and consumers see the possibility of the Fed Tax credit being eliminated as it was in the Republican House bill passed in October. This means OEMs and their dealers want to draw down their inventory with huge incentives and sales push as quickly as possible to not have unsellable inventory just in case. The Federal Tax credit is the lifeline in this relatively new market.

    Republican Tax Bill: PHEV/BEVs MSRPs Either Fall or The Market Evaporates

    Wayne
     
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The second slide indicates the Ioniq HEV/BEVs “Days to Turn” or the number of days it takes from when a vehicle arrives on a dealership lot to the time it is sold.

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    Most here have seen my monthly Industry sales reports including the largest 18 OEMs while highlighting their alternative fuel drivetrain sales.

    November 2017 U.S. Auto Sales up 0.7% with 1.39 Million Vehicles Sold - YTD U.S. Auto Sales were off 1.4 percent.

    Within we have the following with Ioniq and Sonata HEV, PHEV, and BEV sales breakouts within.

    Hyundai U.S. November 2017 Sales Down 8.5% with 57,211 Vehicles Sold

    In the case of the Ioniq, the peak in May and sales slide since was due entirely to lack of inventory as production supply is going to both South Korea and Europe according to Hyundai. The Ioniq HEV days to turn is the lowest among major competitors at 28. I hope to provide more detail on the Ioniq’s global sales shortly.

    Another key point discussed but not shown in the slide is that a surprising 73 percent of Ioniq buyers are first time hybrid buyers! I was both surprised and happy to hear that detail.

    Wayne
     
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The third slide indicates Ioniq Hybrid buyer demographics.

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    The point Hyundai wanted us to take away is that Ioniq buyers average age is 56, significantly lower than the industry with Hybrid buyers average age of 62 years old.

    Wayne
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The fourth and fifth slide are ones you may have seen earlier in this very thread from the Ioniq short lead in Santa Barbara this spring.

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    The key takeaway from these slides is that the PHEV uses the same 40+ percent thermodynamically efficient 1.6L I4, and the same 95.7 percent torque transfer efficiency 6-speed DCT AT, and even the same 95 percent efficient electric motor housed between the engine and 6-speed automatic transmission as the HEV.

    The difference between the two is that the traction battery has been upsized from the HEVs 240V 1.56 kWh to the PHEVs 360V 8.9 kWh, the 32 kW and 125 lb-ft. of torque motor from the HEV is uprated for the PHEV with 44.5 kW and 125 lb-ft. of torque output, and a 3.3kW onboard charger has been added. That 3.3 kW charger allows 240V Level2 charging from flat to full in approximately 2.5 hours and 8.5 hours on 120V Level1 standard household outlet.

    Wayne
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The sixth slide shows how the larger pack, uprated inverter, and higher output from the same motor provide a little boost in the mid RPM range over the HEV. Remember however that the PHEV is between 302 and 322 more lbs. than the HEV depending on trim and overall, it is not as quick to accelerate from a stop to any speed.

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    Wayne
     
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The sixth slide shows how the larger pack, uprated inverter, and higher output from the same motor provide a little boost in the mid RPM range over the HEV. Remember however that the PHEV is between 302 and 322 more lbs. than the HEV depending on trim and is not as quick to accelerate from a stop to any speed.

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    Wayne
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The seventh slide provides a competitive comparison between the latest PHEV “hatch” offerings on the market today. The Ioniq PHEV compares well within these typical metrics.

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    Wayne
     
  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Slide 8 highlights the light weighting features of the Ioniq HEV and PHEV.

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    There is nothing new that I did not post a few months back but after driving the production PHEV for 30+ minutes, the extra weight provided a more planted feel vs the HEV. The HEVs damper tuning had what felt like two stages in a transition meaning it did not feel linear from initial braking and turn in to direction change and front suspension compression. The PHEV “felt” better during the transition.

    Wayne
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Slide 9 provides a competitive comparison between the main PHEV hatches and their respective passenger and cargo volumes.

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    Of these, the Niro has the most comfortable seating solution with a slightly higher up seated position and the Hyundai/Kia comfortable ergonomics. The C-MAX is next although I found their seats not as comfortable over longer drives. The Ioniqs HEV/PHEV/BEV offers the comfortable seating position and ergonomics but a little tight when it comes to ingress/egress for taller drivers.

    Wayne
     
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 10th and final slide is where rubber meets the road. Here is the full Hyundai Ioniq PHEV grade strategy with a little more detail than the grade strategy supplied at the Ioniq HEV/BEV short lead.

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    Where I see the shortfalls is first, there was no pricing released. With the Ioniq PHEV just a week or two from reaching Hyundai showrooms, we are all going to wait anxiously for the final pricing detail.

    Let us break down suspected pricing of the Ioniq HEV while we wait.

    The Ioniq Hybrid SEL ($24,835 incl. the $885 D&H) w/ the Tech pkg. (+$1,000) includes Automatic Emergency Braking, Smart Cruise Control, and Lane Departure Warning.

    The Ioniq Hybrid Limited ($28,385 incl. the $885 D&H) w/ the Ultimate pkg. (+$3,000) which adds Automatic Emergency Braking, Smart Cruise Control, and Lane Departure Warning just like the SEL with the Tech pkg. and adds HID Headlamps w/ Dynamic Bending Light (DBL), Rear parking sensors, 8" NAVI, Infinity Premium Audio with Clari-Fi & 8 speakers, Wireless smartphone charging, integrated driver memory seat (IMS), floor console-mounted rear vents, and cargo cover.

    Let us assume the 2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 grade strategy will add $1.5k to $2k to the price of the SEL and Limited trimmed Hybrids. To purchase the Plug-in with Automatic Emergency Braking, Smart Cruise Control, and Lane Departure Warning, you must purchase the Limited trim with the Ultimate pkg. If my pricing upcharge estimates hold, that means to receive the Auto Emergency braking and Radar CC, the consumer will see a Monroney with a $32,885 to $33,385 price attached. Even with the $4,919 Federal Tax credit, the retail price incl. D&H should fall between $27,966 and $28,466 before mats and any other accessories.

    2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 vs 2017 Toyota Prius PHEV-25

    The base 2017 Toyota Prius Prime Plus retails at $27,995 incl. the $885 D&H charge and includes Toyota SafetySense-P system standard. This advanced Toyota safety system includes Pre-Collision with Pedestrian Detection, Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA), Automatic High Beams, and Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC). With $3k to $3.5k on the hood on the East Coast, $1.5 to $2k discounts below retail from the dealership, and the Federal Tax Credit still available at least through Dec. 31st, I am picking up a 2017 Prius Prime Plus for just $19k + TTL including a $395 color upcharge. That is a $9.5k to $10k less the expected price of the Ioniq Limited with the Ultimate Pkg! With just $1k on the hood of the Ioniq, I am not expecting a massive retail price drop of either the Ioniq HEV or PHEV. We will know the final in just a few days.

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    2017 Toyota Prius Prime Plus w/ the ($395 blizzard white color) for $19,096 after the $4,500 Federal TC.

    The Prius Prime does not include a 5th passenger rear seat position. It also does not include Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert (RCTA) until you move to the most expensive Advanced trim.

    2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 vs. 2017 Toyota Prius Prime PHEV-25

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    Considering "curb appeal", the Ioniq is simply a better looking hatch.

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    Rear seating. Hands down the Ioniq owns this metric as well.

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    The Ioniq HEV/PHEVs Radar CC is not a full speed system as it drops out at 5 mph so is not a full-speed system like the Prime’s.

    The Prime’s ergonomics are not nearly as comfortable as the Ioniq’s, the Prime’s sun visors are an abomination, and its infotainment is far behind the Ioniq’s std. Android Auto and 7” display.

    2017 Toyota Prius Prime Rear View Mirror Sightlines

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    Rear view goes to the Prius Prime. The dual wave rear glass provides a center sight line out the back from the rear view vs. the std. Prius, Volt, and Ioniq HEV/PHEV due to their flat split rear window bridge.

    Regarding cargo volume, I find the Prime much is easier to load/unload and more useful with a lower liftover height and no lip to drop into or pickup cargo vs the Ioniq.

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    Ioniq PHEV 23.0 cu. ft. of cargo volume but with an ~ 4 to 5" lip to drop into or pull up over.

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    Prius Prime's 19.8 cu. ft. of cargo volume with no lip and no need to lift cargo up and over.​

    On the R&H front, the Prime has the edge as it is a more comfortable and linear feeling between hard transitions and absorbs sharp impacts better with less undulation and NVH entering the cabin. Many of you have probably read about my parent’s subdivision and slight curb entryway. The Prius/Prius Prime handles that minor entry impact better than the Ioniq HEV and I will assume the PHEV given my short time behind the wheel earlier this week.

    The Prime arrives with std. LED headlamps with auto high beam on all trims incl. the base Plus. The Ioniq requires the very expensive Limited with the Ultimate pkg. to get Xenon HIDs.

    When it comes to efficiency, the Prius Prime has the edge. Maybe not in total all-electric range but on gasoline as I will need the Ioniq PHEV for a week to test that aspect. In any case, the Prime owns the entire segment under this metric.

    2017 Toyota Prius Prime Advanced PHEV-25 Gasoline Efficiency

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    No PHEV touches the Prime under Charge Sustaining mode – pack depleted w/ no electric only range –
    when I initially topped off and reset to the final fill during this first 104.1 mile measured drive.​

    All-in, if Hyundai does not provide one heck of a great price on the 2018 Ioniq PHEV, I do not see it gaining much sales traction vs. the Prime. If the Federal Tax Credit disappears, the entire PHEV/BEV marketplace will be in peril at current and expected pricing.

    Wayne
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Hyundai just announced pricing for the 2018 Ioniq PHEV-29 this afternoon.

    2018 Hyundai IONIQ Line-up - Charting the Changes
    • Paddle shifters are available on Hybrid model in both the SEL and Limited trims
    • Lane Keep Assist was added to Lane Departure Warning (SEL Tech and Limited w/ the Ultimate package)
    • New red exterior color available for Hybrid models <-- Yeah! :)
    • PHEV-29 model added to the line-up.
    • Electric model was simplified to two trims: Electric and Limited
    Ioniq PHEV-29

    Besides the tens of posts detailing almost every aspect of the all-new PHEV above, the new 2018 Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid provides an all-electric range of MORE than 29 miles from its 8.9 kWh Li-Ion polymer battery. It is EPA rated at 119 MPGe in EV mode and 52 MPG in hybrid mode.

    In addition, the Ioniq PHEV also features low-beam LED headlamps as standard equipment. <-- Yeah for that too! The PHEV integrates a charging portal into the left front fender for the lithium-ion polymer battery. Specially-designed 16-inch alloy wheels further differentiate the PHEV from the HEV and Electric.

    2018 IONIQ PHEV-29 MSRP

    IONIQ PHEV-29: $24,950 + D&H

    IONIQ PHEV-29 Limited: $28,300 + D&H <-- Now that is not a bad base price!!! :D

    D&H has yet TBA but will probably be $885 and the Fed TC will place a nice $4,919 back into your pocket if you qualify.

    After the TC and D&H, the Base and Limited "should" list at $20,916 and $24,266 after the Fed TC respectively. I am confident the $1,000 Competitive Owner Coupon discount/rebate will be available following the Ioniq HEVs only real discount to knock the base just below the $20k mark + TTL and taking off any state incentives that may be available in your locale.

    Wayne
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 Pricing in Detail

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    Wayne
     
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