How California is killing the Electric Car

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Jan 3, 2017.

  1. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    35 cents/kWh is NOT what electricity costs in California on average. We are a huge state with many utilities.
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    Residential electricity rates in California average 15.34¢/kWh, which ranks the state 8th in the nation.
      • The average residential electricity rate of 15.34¢/kWh in CA is 29.12% greater than the national average residential rate of 11.88¢/kWh.
      • The approximate range of residential electricity rates in the U.S. is 8.37¢/kWh to 37.34¢/kWh.
    (source: http://www.electricitylocal.com/states/california/)
     
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  2. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Dave-so 15 cents-not too bad
    so a 1/3 KWHR per mile car 5 cents per mile for fuel
    $2 gas a 40 mpg car same 5 cents-Prius on average probably are 45 mpg cars driven by "normal" people
    Prius vs EV more or less a wash-but the Prius has a lot more range-
    Thanks dave
     
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  3. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    If I was building a new house in the sunshine area of the U.S. I would install solar panels with a minimum of 12 KWH maximum out put. It seems like the pay back
    would be a lot quicker if the electric companies keep raising their prices. With a 12 KWH set up and an energy efficient house you would probably have a $0 electric bill and perhaps even get a check from the electric company, even if you have a Volt and another EV plugged in...
     
  4. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Meaning you would want to build a Zero Net house.
     
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dave:

    The rates you quote were from 2012 rates. Southern Calif. was < $0.12/kWh back in 2010. Today the prices are much much higher. Up to 4Xs once you are above 384 kWh as linked.

    Wayne
     
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  6. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    So thats what its called. I noticed the price of solar panels is going down and their efficiency is going up. Some new panels are 300 Watts per panel max out put.
    Installing solar panels when building a new house should be less than install on an existing house. I would have to believe that a 12 KWH output cost would be $40,000 or less, also tax credits would also help lower the price perhaps to the $20,000 area. I'm sure other members may already have a similar solar panel set up on their home.
     
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  7. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

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  8. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Wayne
    So San Diego folks use just 500 KWHRs per month-
    Your summer weather must be "not too bad"
    In any case -your point-that EV power would cost the higher rate-since it would be "extra"
    40 cents-means 13 cents per mile-
    Even with $5 gasoline-a Prius is still less than that
    and some "regular cars" are pretty close-even with gasoline double current price

    EVs won't make $$ and cents sense with price power
     
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  9. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I noticed that the incredible high PG&E rates make PHEV's not cost effective at current gas prices. I also end up at 40ct. for charging (with the incredible low allowance for lowest rate). In WA the rates were pretty much half of CA at all tiers. Ironically on the other hand CA has PHEV rebates.

    PG&E does offer a dedicated EV plan ($12ct/kwh off-peak iirc?) but high cost of installation of 2nd line makes no sense in my case (at least not for PHEV's, maybe for EV's not sure).
    I don't use much electricity so solar panels wouldn't make it more cost effective either (at least no payback for me within a decade).

    That said there are free or cheap chargers you could use (e.g. at work or some public places). And it's still nice to be able to run in silent EV mode.
     
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