2017 Kia Niro CUV Sets GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS Title for Lowest Fuel Consumption for a Hybrid Vehicle

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    With just over 375 miles to go to NY City, instead of heading out in below freezing temps, we pulled out closer to noon with temps rising to the mid-30s and almost calm winds. Some of Bob’s friends came over for a look at the Niro and we all had a great time talking about our recent drive across the country and numerous other news of the day.

    Soon after leaving, we came across the National Museum of the Marine Corps paralleling I-95.

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    I barely enough time to get the camera app up and running and snap two or three pics while passing by.

    The National Museum of the Marine Corps is the historical museum of the United States Marine Corps. Located in Triangle, Virginia near MCB Quantico, the museum opened on November 10, 2006, and is now one of the top tourist attractions in the state, drawing over 500,000 people annually.

    Designed by Curtis W. Fentress of Fentress Architects, the museum's exterior is meant to "evoke the image of the flag raisers of Iwo Jima," an image that is also preserved by the Marine Corps War Memorial.

    The museum is 100,000-square-foot, and is open to the public with free admission.

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    Maryland was caught on the fly with no real median to stop at. Two smartphone cameras video covered the GWR documentation of this crossing.


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    Delaware looked great via time lapse. ;)

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    Pennsylvania shows the Niro continues to hold its own just below GWR levels despite frigid temps.​

    We covered NJ with an on-the-fly video as there was no sign that we saw.

    And finally our stop for the night.

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    NJ Holiday Inn at 73.4 mpg in 31 deg temps. Garmin Trip A/B: 3685.7/751.4 mi.​

    We arrived early enough so that I had a few hours to collate our GWR documentation for an easier adjudication the following morning. What was really surprising was we were off less than 1 mpg from the GWR mark and in fact gained a few tenths while below freezing!

    NY City, the final refueling, and final results are less than 14 hours away. :)

    Wayne

    #experienceNiro
     
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  2. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2016 Crosstrek, 2012 PiP, 2014 C-MAX Energi

    Good thing your fillups are to the top of the filler neck. Less dramatic, I suppose, with that in mind. However, your results past DTE zero shows Kia gives the driver some protection like most car manufacturers would. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a gallon (50 miles) past DTE zero in the Prius.

    Having said that, I would have been freaking out in your shoes.
     
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  3. rhwinger

    rhwinger Well-Known Member

     
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  4. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Kia gives the Niro a 1.56kwh battery--about twice the size of the Prius. That ought to be good for several miles with Bob pushing. :) I'm surprised that Kia didn't attempt the record with their sharpest stick, the FE trim, or with the ECO-DAS software optimizing the battery charging/discharging. I thought I read somewhere that ECO-DAS is good for at least a 3% gain in fuel economy.
     
  5. Prozac

    Prozac Well-Known Member

    Jay,

    I am glad that they didn't use the FE trim. It truly shows just how far they have come by utilizing what I would fathom as being a much higher seller than the FE trim.
     
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  6. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    Just saw this world record thread very impressive! I check for a tow rating and in Europe it looks to be 3500lbs! I hope that comes to the US which is the same car? Also hyundai gives lifetime warranty on the battery but Kia doesn't I was told?
     
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  7. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    Just curious if there are any steady speed mpg stats yet. Also I wonder what the Hyundai Ioniq "Blue Drive" which
    EPA's at 58 mpg would have achieved. Seems like breaking the old 50 mpg barrier is pretty easy today. I remember getting my
    drivers license in 1966 where a car that got 20 mpg was great on gas, and a 25 mpg car would make you howl at the moon.

    Also, gas in those days was 100% real gas....
     
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Alster:

    The way the third gen Hyundai/Kia Hybrid system works will not allow a very accurate steady state graph. Even out over 700 miles there was as much as a 1 mpg swing between the high end and low end of SoC through a single cycle. With an on the fly reset, an upwards of 20 mpg swing could occur and I could not account for that with an mpg deduction or addition via the pips off or on the SoC. I did not post the Sonata HEV/PHEVs graph because the swings were so harsh and the Niro/Ioniq Hybrids are on an entirely different planet when it comes to efficiency and the large pack cycle. :)

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    Late night post GWR drive and visit to Sansone Kia in Avenal, NJ.​

    I can state this however. The 46/51/49 mpgUS city/highway/combined rated 2017 Kia Niro Hybrid in LX trim that we drove will bury a 50/46/48 mpgUS city/highway/combined rated third gen Prius on the highway as it should. Around an urban inner city like Manhattan, the third gen Prius would beat the Niro by a similar percentage. As it should. In a mixed city/highway cycle like that described in the Niro's heavy traffic congested first drive, the NIro would also come out on top. I am mentioning this because the Niro is a compact CUV and I have the feeling it will be priced very similar to the 4th gen Prius once pricing is released. It adds an entirely new dimension to the automotive sector. The first CUV with the efficiency of a Prius. I never thought I would see or say this but it just occurred.

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    Notice the light snow covering some of the cars in the background?​

    Wayne

    #experienceNiro
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The George Washington Bridge leading over the East River and into NY City. This pic was taken less than two miles from the Shell at 4116 Broadway, New York, NY, our final destination.

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    Light early Sunday morning traffic, a 45 mph PSL across the bridge, and another half mile of inner city is the only impediment before GWR adjudication.​

    What I am worried about here is that we are so close to the finish, please do not get a corner of the Niro knocked off, please do not get a corner of the Niro knocked off, please do not get a corner of the Niro knocked off ... And please, please, please verify we have not overlooked a single piece of documentation/evidence, whether video, photographic, digital, or written...

    Wayne

    #experienceNiro
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And the Guinness World Record Attempt comes to a close. Almost. ;)

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    We arrive!​

    And now the real work begins anew. ;)

    The 2017 Kia Niro Hybrids final fill

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    71.2 mpg in 31 deg. F temps, Garmin elevation of 223' ASL - 130; below the LA Shell launch elevation
    Garmin Trip A/B at 781.0/3,715.3 mi prior to the forward/back hard accel/decel rocking for maximum fuel fill
    Tank seal removed, car rocked back and forth adding another .1 mi to both Trip A/B, fuel tank topped off with 11.073 gal.​

    And finally the last tank seal is installed and signed as was the Master log, Witness log, and Witness Statement by Michael Furnari, the Guinness World Records Adjudicator.

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    Final tank seal signed by the Guinness World Records adjudicator.​

    Tank #1: Las Cruces, NM: 765.3 mi on 9.447 gal = 81.009 mpg ($18.60)
    Tank #2: Corpus Christi, TX: 803.9 mi on 9.934 gal = 80.924 ($23.33)
    Tank #3: Lafayette, LA: 448.6 mi on 6.038 gal = 74.296 mpg ($14.55)
    Tank #4: Manning, SC: 916.4 mi on 12.043 gal = 76.094 mpg ($32.87)
    Tank #5: NY City, NY: 781.1 mi on 11.073 gal = 70.541 mpg ($27.01)

    Cumulative Results: 3,715.4 mi on 48.535 gal = 76.551 mpg ($116.36 or $0.031/mile)

    2017 Kia Niro Hybrid aFCD Offset Calculation(s)

    Regarding the aFCD offset for the entire GWR drive, the calculated aFCD was 77.6 mpg (3,715.4 mi on 47.882 gal indicated that back calculated from the aFCD at each refuel) vs. the actual 76.6 mpg for a 1.3 percent over report.

    If we used the less accurate and under reporting odometer/OEM Trip B distance of 3,658 miles on the indicated 47.882 gal (back calculated from the aFCD at each refuel), it comes to 76.4 mpg, a slight under report of 0.26 percent from the actual 76.6 mpg.

    A very minor negative actual offset and a miniscule positive calculated/odometer based offset for the 2017 Kia Niro Hybrid. Good stuff Kia! I do wish there were two aFCDs however. One for the tank and one cumulative to reset at our discretion.

    The final mechanical inspection and driving to NY City Hall follows immediately after. You are going to want to see what the Mechanical Inspection reveals. Really cool!

    Wayne

    #experienceNiro
     
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  11. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    And? You're killing me, what did it show?
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Thunderstruck:

    It's coming... ;)

    Wayne
     
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    What is left to certify the results per the Guinness World Records requirements is the final mechanical inspection. I had set this up over a week prior with an expected arrival just before noon with Mikes Auto Service located at 604 W 30th St, New York, NY. This is just a few blocks down from the Javitz Center where the NY Auto Show (NYIAS) occurs each April. This was not an inspection for a Taxi badge or anything like it, just a look over to make sure the emissions controls are intact and the car is – still is - roadworthy.

    As we pull up, I ring the bell and the tech is saying come back tomorrow. I explained to him about our previous scheduled appointment and this is not a Taxi Cab inspection and he again said come back tomorrow. We could not come back tomorrow as Bob would be back in Virginia, the adjudicator would be back in his office, and the photographer would be long gone. Another request, a phone call, and the Niro rolls in.

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    Ready for inspection sir!​

    Under the hood? All is good…

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    And the good stuff.

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    Along with the full under engine bay cover from wheel to wheel, notice the two front wheel spatz’. A wrap around hoop vs. an angled outward short little spat located to the inside of the wheel airflow like most put in nowadays.

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    Notice that the muffler received a full spoiler as well.​

    Anyone have any idea what the box just ahead of the driver’s side rear suspension mounts? I only saw it when setting up the rear underbody pics.

    And with that, Michael, the Guinness World Records Adjudicator called it a successful endeavor and the Kia Niro has now succeeded in achieving the Lowest Fuel Consumption Guinness World Record from Coast to Coast in a Hybrid car. The first CUV to earn a Lowest Fuel Consumption Guinness World Record in history.

    2017 Kia Niro Hybrid is now an Official Lowest Fuel Consumption Guinness World Records Title Holder!

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    Next up, NY City Hall to finish off the drive.

    Wayne

    #experienceNiro
     
  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

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    The Kia Niro reaches NY City Hall for an impromptu photo OP!​

    And that is what we can call "A Wrap." Thank you all for following along on this efficient long distance adventure. :)

    Wayne

    #experienceNiro
     
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  15. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2016 Crosstrek, 2012 PiP, 2014 C-MAX Energi

    Mr. Fusion? :) I have no clue... Isn't that at the fill end of the fuel tank?
     
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  16. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Well, the battery is under the back seat, but I don't imagine they'd have it exposed like that. My guess is It's definitely battery or inverter related due to its location. In the rear end photo, I see the parking brake is cable operated - no funky hydraulic linelock.

    Not a lot of soot in the tailpipe after a long trip at low load - impressive for a GDI engine.

    And I see the front calipers/spindles are 99.9% Elantra, based on location of the caliper and the lower "A" arms are more like "J" arms. Also present and account for - and visible under the front end - are the little breakaway "V" brackets that bolt the engine cradle to the floor. In a front impact, they tear loose and allow the rear of the cradle to move downward so the powertrain goes under the floor instead of through the firewall in high speed crashes.

    One burning (hopefully not gas burning) question - does the engine stay off during a nice-on?
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    The ICE springs to life under a NICE-On. Fortunately the EV is so strong and lasting that a close to glide condition can be held to cover up the missing NICE-On ICE shutdown. That was tried about .25 miles after I was behind the wheel. ;)

    The Niro being modeled off the Ioniq HEV probably does not have a 12V. None under the hood or in the cargo area compartments that I could find either. I just do not know what that box is and being exposed like it is.... Well not completely but open to debris so I doubt it is a sensitive electronics package either. I just do not know what it is? Great place to stow some extra HW however. Lower CG and out of the way. Than again, I see orange cabling just ahead and that means the Li-Ion. Maybe some of the prismatics are tucked away and stored nicely in that box?

    Wayne
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Adding to the pictures posted throughout, the pics I processed for the detail in this story were maybe one in ten plus the stops I did not document over the last 90+ replies. Most would not care that we stopped at a Rest Area or a Subway etc. but Guinness World Records requires each one be fully documented. ;) In addition, 2 vids of each stop, six from each refueling, the Master, Witness and Witness Statement books. All told, we have 25 GBs of documentation after 7-days with approximately 150 MBs after down res'ing posted here. Without modern 32 and 64GB storage within smartphone(s), 128 GB storage cards in our cameras, and TBs in our laptops, handling the data volume alone would be overwhelming.

    A GWR adjudicator needs all of it to verify a location stop even after the duplicate .gpx and .kml files are run on Google Earth. It is mandatory we record everything per the GWR Guidelines and ship it all to GWRs for their dissemination as they see fit after the fact. A daunting task but it makes complete sense given what they expect before they allow a record to be achieved. An impressive list of requirements and it only gets more detailed with each passing year. As it should with the technology available at our fingertips today.

    I still have to send the details of this story to Kia in a linked post by linked post breakdown describing all of the above in the same sequence that you were able to read it too.

    All in, a ton of planning, the execution, the documentation, and like any job, it is not finished until the paperwork is complete. :)

    Wayne
     
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  19. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    Wayne thanks for your reply. Does the EPA conduct a different test protocol with the Nero and Ioniq because of their hybrid operating systems as compared
    to the Prius and even regular cars for the EPA results?

    Great Job in breaking the world record.

    Just curious if you are going to take another shot at it with the Ioniq blue drive with the 58 MPG EPA. Perhaps you may even average over 80 MPG...
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Alster:

    The OEMs EPA testing on the dyno takes into account the SoC before and after each test and the OEMs run the test multiple times in order to average out the SoC subtraction or additions. We only have 16 pips. The OEM probably has the instantaneous SoC in kWh down to the hundredth or even thousandth of a kWh - or mAh in and out - so initial and final SoC can be taken out of the mix with a high degree of confidence during the various EPA dyno test cycles. The Prius and all hybrids including the Niro are running the same test cycles. The SoC in each test and with each car has to be accounted to come up with the EPA results for the Monroney.

    If we drove the Niro in the summer months, it would have easily broken the 80 mpg mark. Add another 1 to 2 mpg on top of that for the FE trim. You can just imagine where that leaves the Ioniq Blue.

    Wayne
     
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