2017 Toyota Prius Prime: Price + Content + Efficiency = WOW!!!

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    After over 1,450 miles in the Accord Hybrid Touring trim last week due to that damn infernal capless refuel system forcing me to consume two entire tanks for even the hope of a good aFCD calibration, I think I will pull back on the miles this week with the Prime Press Loaner. The drive back from Orange, CA yesterday afternoon was spectacular as expected. With no charge and working entirely off the hybrid system alone, I pulled into my drive at 86 mpg after 87 miles indicated just by setting RCC at 60 mph and letting it rip in Orange County to San Diego afternoon traffic. This is easily a triple digit result if I were trying.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited

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    Titanium Glow color was not a preference but it looks better in person than the pics indicate.​

    I took it into a Costco and topped it off last night. Maybe in 600 or so miles I will complete the steady states to see how it performed vs past Primes we have driven. If you look closely, that was 2.084 gallons added. First click occurred at 1.1 gallon which is about where the Press Fleet Handler team fills their fleet up to. 87 miles at 86 mpg consumes about a gallon... Either way, we will have a much better calibration after a tank is consumed.

    While I was parked at the Costco performing the initial top off fill over maybe 15-minutes, there was a Classic Silver LE refueling to my left and a Supersonic Red Limited refueling across the aisle at another set of pumps. I guess I will be noting that more often as the weeks and years progress.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited

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    Topped off and the displays reset ready for a review.​

    First impressions again... There is nothing like driving a hyper efficient designed car providing an endearing quality all its own. As a daily commuter, performing rideshare/courier, or as a small business fleet addition, damn are fuel costs going to be low!!!

    SoftTex seating and wheel surfaces sure make for a comfortable seating surface despite the tight ergonomics. I was looking at the SofTex seat covers and they essentially zip off so someone with an LE without SoftTex could do a swap if they found a wrecked one or the skins on E-Bay or something. How the XLE and Limited trims 8-way power adjustable driver's seat would be incorporated vs the LE trims manually operated 6-way is a bit beyond my current understanding and investigation. Salvaging the entire seat including frame should not be an issue since the LE through Limited have heated seats. I suspect the wiring harness is exactly the same. Unplugging one and plugging in the other would provide both the std. LE's heated seat and XLE/Limited's power functionality while seated in SofTex. Why did I bring this up? Hmmm ... ;)

    I am still not a fan of the 11.6" portrait screen as I experienced in a 2020 Toyota Prius Limited a few weeks back. Without radio control knobs, I am forced to the slow and very limited response of the wheel switches. Trying to change a non-preset XM station for example was abhorrent. The infotainment system with an Android phone is absolutely garbage despite the fast-acting screen. I will have Marian try her iPhone inside as the 2020 Prius Prime includes Apple CarPlay. I hope and pray it is better. Vastly better.

    The 8.8 kWh Li-Ion packs 3 to 4" compartment rise towards the Dualwave rear glass does take up quite a bit of the available cargo volume. I will load some suitcases in the hatch and snap some pics later this week.

    The all-black interior trim appointments finally provide a bit of harmony to the 4th gen Prius and Prius Prime. The earlier years mix of white and black was simply to polarizing. Black also stays cleaner for longer periods despite it not being any cleaner. It just shows it less. ;)

    Ride and Handling? I just dropped off a 2020 Honda Accord Hybrid after almost 1,500 miles over the course of a week. The Independent rear end does help vs past Prius' but it does not compare to a proper Touring mid/full-size Sedan like that offered in the Accord, Camry, Optima, or Sonata Hybrids.

    About all for now so back to the grind.

    Wayne
     
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I am guessing that within the past two or three weeks, the lousy Telenav GPS Scout was removed from available apps while the Toyota-Alexa - android device only - was recently added to the Prius with the 11.6" screen.


    I can finally control most aspects of Pandora through Alexa albeit slowly but controlling the worthless Toyota maps is still a nightmare at best. After running through all the pages of drivel and voice learning, I did get the system to Navigate to the San Diego Airport although it was the wrong spot at the AP. Immediately afterwards, I could not get it to navigate to the local Von's grocery store or my parents home in IL during the same 30-minute session.

    Why can't Toyota just do the right thing and fix this mess to work like Android Auto does in every Hyundai since 2015? :( :( :(

    Also, that hatch cargo volume? It is very tight!

    Wayne
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Well, it appears as if Apple CarPlay works as good as can be expected within the 2020 Toyota Prius Prime.

    Like the Honda Accord and Insight, the push to talk button on an Android device with Android Auto still brings up the garbage built in menus with the native and totally unacceptable apps. However, by switching to phone Voice control with a simple "Hey Google" to begin, I was able to at least control most functions in the Accord. The Insight was a hit or miss disaster no matter how I was accessing maps, texts, phone, or Pandora/Spotify.

    Back to the Prius Prime. You cannot use the push to talk button as that ends you up in the most hideous and non-user-friendly GUI known in the automotive world today. By swapping everything over to Siri Voice control through any iPhone with iOS 13 - from the 6S to the current 11, I had Marian cycle through numerous destinations with Google Maps, music artist selections w/ Pandora and Spotify, control/reply to inbound and outbound texts, and make calls all via voice and "Hey Siri" as the primer under Apple CarPlay but with a few oddities.

    For one, the 11.6" portrait display of the XLE and Limited only show the upper half filled with maps, phone, music app, or whatever apps you are controlling with Siri at the time. The bottom half will find the old Prius built in App menu below. Why the hell did they do that? I have no idea and it is such a waste of expensive screen real estate for maps in particular. I will see if I can get the iPhone app to fill the screen in a setting that I do not yet know about. Having two app functions up at the same time is not a bad thing but maps across the entire 11.6" screen is what it was meant for.

    Two, with an iPhone, only the owner can speak into it to make Siri do her thing. Marian could, I could not. A security thing and it is pretty slick.

    Three, if you were to simply ask for a destination to be generated and displayed, Apple Maps will default and those are garbage. For example, if Marian were to say "Hey Siri" ... wait for the prompt beep after a few ms ... and ask "I need directions to the local Shell gas station", an Apple Map would be generated and displayed. However, if Marian were to state after the prompt, "I need directions to the local Shell gas station in Google Maps" instead, a Google Map would appear with the generated map ready to roll. Yeah!!!

    There are so many things I can do with my 6.3" diagonal screen Galaxy Note 8 that I doubt I can with a 6.1" diagonal screen iPhone XR. For example, through a USB powered Hotspot, I can provide 5-users with a full 4G LTE data stream vs 3G via the built in Wi-Fi Hotspot. It takes some code hacking on the phone and the USB Hotspot that I am not sure I can do with an Apple iPhone. I also used to run an Auto swipe and click screen app for picking up scheduled rides under Lyft that I am not sure is available unless I jail break an iPhone XR. I will surely be doing that for any number of other "upgrades" or "modifications" I want to perform later. And of course, a new XR costs upwards of $549 vs my Galaxy Note 8 that I picked up less than 6-months ago brand new for just $325. That one is going to hurt.

    At least I have a semi-fix for the Toyota infotainment mess in the Prius Prime and iPhone owners have a solution to bring the Prime into the third decade of the 21st century without too much hassle thanks to the iOS 13 upgrades allowing non-Apple apps to be controlled through Siri and displayed on the Primes central display.

    Having to swap phones and OS's because Toyota does not have programmers with the proper skill sets when it comes to Google's Android Auto integration still ticks me off however. The rest of the industry completed this transition years ago. :(

    Regarding the 2020 Toyota Prius Prime efficiency, I have over 280-miles of all highway driving on it since the initial top off fill late on Tuesday night and she is still holding 74.3 mpg. Hopefully before the weekend is up, I will have a calibrated aFCD after some 600 to 700-miles and can knock out the steady states.

    Wayne
     
  4. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    From comments I've seen elsewhere, Toyota pretty much wasted that large screen. I don't think you can get it off the split view.
     
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  5. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I can agree with the waste of the display. I would have preferred the smaller screen from the entry level Prime. That said, my wife (iPhone) and I (Android) don't bother with those smart phone integrations and use the display as the (Toyota) gods intended. Just the map full-time on the whole display. We also have the same frustrations, though, with voice entry of destinations with the native nav interface. That's why when I'm driving my wife's car, I bring along my 6" Garmin and talk to that quite efficiently and accurately.

    PSA: The hands-free driving law takes effect on Sunday 2/23 in Massachusetts. Yay!
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    It's been law in Illinois for some time now. But there are people who still disobey the seatbelt law here.
    Laws and rules ? They're for OTHER people.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I completed the first measured fill yesterday morning with a quick 60-mile run down to the US/Mexico border to bring the Prius Prime down to low fuel. Like past Prius', the over report came to a staggering 8.1 percent. :(

    55/53 mpg city/highway rated 2020 Toyota Prius Prime First Measured Fill

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    640.3 miles on 9.413 gal = 68.0 mpg vs 74.0 mpg indicated.​

    An 8.1 percent over report or aFCD*.919 = actual mpg.

    That is not a good result which means a double check with double up and pull another full tank measure. Except my week with the Prius Prime is running out. I placed over 700-miles on the Prius Prime yesterday traveling from the US/Mexico Border all the way to the LA/Ventura County border and back while driving through the CBX, SAN, SNA, LGB, LAX, and BUR terminals to keep it real. This run also included two runs from sea level to almost 1,000' ASL on the CA-73 toll road, and some spirited segments with one digit camped in the 8 range with the rest of the LA County crazies between rush hours on the 405 and 5.

    After running the tank down to Low Fuel for the second time on the same day, putting it all together looked like this...

    55/53 mpg city/highway rated 2020 Toyota Prius Prime Second and Accumulated Measured Fill

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    1306.9 miles on 19.368 gal = 67.5 mpg vs 73.3 mpg indicated.​

    A 7.9 percent over report or aFCD* 0.921 = actual mpg. I really wish Toyota would stop doing this on some of their Prius'. :(

    If you notice the two fill results on measured fill #2, it was because I waited too long before another click and the pump shut down while I was taking a phone call between violently shaking the car and waiting for the fuel to settle. I restarted with another fill session and topped off with another 0.827 gallons for a total of 9.955 gallon on the second measured fill.

    Another disheartening indication is the actual miles traveled as measured by a Garmin is less than the Trip A/B/Odometer indicated by 0.4 percent. It was only a decade ago when Honda was sued for indicating 1.5 + percent optimistic Odometer results across much of their lineup. While .4 percent is minuscule, it only increases as the tires wear. I have not seen an odometer over report since a Jaguar Turbo Diesel we drive a few years back IIRC?

    Tonight, after midnight, I will perform the steady states despite the actual SoC range indication being almost non-existent in Charge Sustaining mode on the Prime - before driving it back to LA at 04:00 AM to swap into a 2020 Honda CR-V Touring tomorrow.

    Wayne
     
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  8. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    Wayne, when the gas is up to the lip like that, does it spill out, when the cap is put in?

    Another question is about the charcoal vapor trap (?) that I thought was part of why there is a spring loaded cap on the filler - is it flooding that canister?
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Neil:

    No and no. The cap has an intentional cutout within that takes up some of the fuel while it is being screwed on if necessary. A loop seal to a higher point prevents the charcoal canister from being flooded like the old days iirc.

    Wayne
     
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  10. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Just hypothetically (i.e., not to imply you did such a thing), what would happen if someone filled the tank that full on a warm day, then immediately parked the car, allowing thermal expansion to proceed?
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Is the 25-miles AER rating legitimate? Let's find out.

    I charged the Prius Prime to 100 percent, hit the EV-Hybrid button to hold before leaving at 03:30 AM, and left for a 90-miles of Interstate driving before swapping into the next vehicle. There is some overhead beyond 100 percent as I climb 100' to the peak and drove down 130' to a trough before getting on the "5". At the local peak, there was still 100 percent SoC indicating and with heavy regen down to 100' ASL, there was still 100 percent SoC and there was no engine spin up to consume excess energy so there are a few tenths of kWh's of headroom above 100 percent SoC from the ~ 6 kWh of usable and total 8.8 kWh traction battery capacity. I have no idea how much however? During any test like this, I am only using exterior LED lighting given the hours of the day and audio internally. I am not using any heat or A/C to further distort the results.

    From the steady states which I will post later today, the 2020 Prius Prime Limited's speedometer runs between 2 and 2.5 mph low at 65 and 70 mph. Setting the RCC at 67 mph with the speedometer at 67 mph indicated is 65 mph actual.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime 25-mile AER Test

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    100 percent SoC w/ Trip B at 25.3 miles and I just hit the EV Auto button at 85 ft ASL and 65 mph.

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    1 Percent SoC w/ Trip B at 52.2 miles.

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    0 Percent SoC w/ Trip B at 52.3 miles at 120 ft ASL and 65 mph.​

    Temps ranged from 48 to 51 degrees F throughout the measured segment.

    From the aFCD calibration drive(s), we know the Odometer offset if 0.994 * Trip A/B/Odometer for actual miles traveled. The 53.3 miles - 25.3 miles = 27.0 miles * 0.996 or 26.9 miles actual traveled with a net ascent of 35 ft. That looks great for the 25-mile AER rated Prius Prime in Charge Deletion mode. Unfortunately, the peak elevation between was 265 ft ASL forced three instances of Engine start to supply enough power to climb the three short ascent grades covering 53-seconds worth of fuel burn.

    I am estimating that the 53-seconds at 65 mph equates to .96 miles of heavier than normal consumption. A net gain of 35' along with 1.2-miles of net normal engine power burn on the negative side of the ledger. This indicates the 26.9-miles of measured range is more than likely to be 25.9 miles of range at 65 mph. In warmer weather, a little more and colder weather a little less. Below 32 degrees F and using heat, a lot less.

    The 25-miles of AER from a full SoC to empty appears to be a very solid estimate! :)

    Wayne
     
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  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Thanks , Wayne. I think I can beat 27 miles easily. Of course , I cheat.
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Does the 19.8 cu. ft. of cargo volume work for the average consumer? It is tight back there but the 2020 Prius Prime does include 60/40 rear seats in case you need to add more luggage. Albeit with the loss of passenger volume in the back if necessary. My neighbors own a set of AWAY Luggage pieces and since I know the size and volumes, I asked if they would not mind if I took a few pics of their cases inside the Prius Prime. They own (2) AWAY "The Bigger Carry-On's" and (2) AWAY "The Large" suitcases. (2) AWAY "The Large" suitcases would not fit behind the seats without the rear seats being folded down. A single AWAY "The Large" (left) and AWAY "The Bigger Carry-On" (right) fit perfectly fine as loaded and shown.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Cargo Volume

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    AWAY Luggage specs:

    "The Bigger Carry-On" Retails at $245 to start (Right)

    Exterior measurements 22.7” x 14.7” x 9.6”
    Interior measurements 21” x 14.5”
    Weight 8.4 lbs
    Capacity 47.9L/1.7 cu. ft.
    Measurements include wheels

    and

    "The Large" Retails at $295 to start (Left)

    Exterior measurements 29” x 20.5” x 12.5”
    Interior measurements 27” x 19.5”
    Weight 11.6 lbs
    Capacity 99.2L/3.5 cu. ft.
    Measurements include wheels

    Wayne
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:
    :D :D :D

    25-miles AER is a minimum bar while climbing up mountains for all of us. :D

    Wayne
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The Speed vs FE of the 2020 Toyota Prius Prime PHEV-25 provided interesting results.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited Trim

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    Just moments before Steady State data collection on Monday night/Tuesday morning.​

    First off, the demarcation between a loss or gain in SOC is less than a mm thick so I am trying to estimate if there was any change during a given NB or SB run and incorporating it into the data’s results. Here is a pic of SoC indication while in Charge Sustaining mode during the AER test as posted above.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited SoC indication during Charge Sustaining "Hybrid" mode

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    Notice how small the demarcation is and how to judge a change of SoC from it is a guess at best?​

    I was looking for the indication to be dead on with the height of the blue to the top of single hash mark. I could control this during the run up to a given target speed by forcing an engine run to bring the bar level to the hash mark or allowing it to use EV to bring the level down to what I thought was even with the hash mark. During data collection, the 55 mph and 60 mph data had movement in one direction or the other so I am less confident in the output than I am with the 50 and 70 mph results. Even those could be skewed somewhat as Charge Sustaining mode with the Prius Prime only provides a total movement of about 1 to 2 mm below the hash mark and 1 mm above during your daily course of driving.

    Winds were calm and temps ranged from 53 to 55 degrees F. Speedometer error was 2.0 mph low at 50, 55, and 60 mph, and 2.5 to 3.0 mph low at 65 and 70 mph.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited Speed vs FE

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    Using a straight-line analysis between 65 and 70 mph, the 2020 Prius Prime's EPA Highway (53 mpg) crossover occurred at 66.05 mph which is closer to our lower limit of 65 mph before calling a given EPA highway result cooked. Despite the colder temps, I did not incorporate a temperature offset. This Prius Prime Limited Trim came with the optional exposed multiple spoke windmill alloys which surely hurt the higher speed results by a few tenths.

    Wayne
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    So, let us conclude with getting back to the 2020 Prius Prime upgrades including the new 3-seat bench in back that works but like all Prius’, if three adults or larger children are going back there, they are going to get intimate.

    The Sun Visor Extension works almost as advertised as it does extend. It just does not cover the entire front window day light opening allowing the sun to intrude on your vision.


    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited Sun Visors

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    The 2.1A dual charging ports located on the back of the center console/armrest work as advertised. Funny thing is, the single USB data port located at the front of the center console is only a 1.0A capacity unit and anyone with a large screen and a few apps running will see their SoC dwindle over the course of a few hours. I swapped to the rear 2.1A with a 6’ cord USB-C as soon as I experienced this. Since the Infotainment was not Android friendly anyway, there was nothing I would receive from the data port other than frustration anyway.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited All-black Interior

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    Why Toyota did not incorporate all-black plastic and SofTex trim at launch is beyond me but it looks much much better now.

    The Qi charger is finally large enough for any of the mainstream phones to sit flat in and charge wirelessly in today. And it is at least a 1.5A unit as it was charging faster than my phone was consuming unlike the data/charge port mentioned above.

    The 11.6” screen was useful for something. It was a great talking point but beyond that, there was nothing good about the included Infotainment system for Android Users. Alexa was a mess at best and did not work more than half the time. Even when it did, it was slow as molasses and still did not understand half of what it was being directed to perform. With Apple CarPlay and my wife’s XR w/ iOS 13.x and using voice control through the phone – not the push to talk button, all the main systems appears to have worked. A workable solution for Apple users thankfully.

    The embedded NAVI, GUI, and control of the infotainment systems was also a mess. Owners have surely been frustrated and even mad about this since its launch and here we are 3 years later with the same issues and concerns. This is the kind of feature that when it does not work, drives people to other brands including Tesla. Maybe Toyota is getting this and maybe they are not. At least some of their vehicles are incorporating Android Auto albeit they have not implemented it properly in my short drives of my parents 2020 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid with Android Auto enabled.

    The safety systems? The FCW and RCC are still the best in the business for straight ahead cruise and accident avoidance. I can tell you how many times the Southern CA freeways go from 70 mph to 0 and back to 70 mph again and the System nailed it albeit sometimes scary moments as you see the build and brake lights ahead and have to wait for the Prius’ RCC to “see” the same and begin braking dramatically. The one area where Honda, Hyundai, and Audi/VW have passed the Toyota system is in recognizing encroachment into your lane between a vehicle you are already locked onto ahead. Maybe 15 to 20 degrees off center is what it is good for and without taking manual control, you will hit the encroacher. Other OEM systems are now beginning to scan out to maybe 20 degrees on both sides.

    LKA and LDW? It warns you that you are departing the path as you are departing the path and provides little or no feedback to bring you back to center.

    BSM and RCTA? BSM detects a vehicle alongside but does little for those behind that are coming in hard towards your blind spot. RCTA works as advertised but the mimic display warning includes arrows in both directions so you have no idea from which side a vehicle or person is coming on from. Not that you need to know but other OEM systems point out from which direction.

    The entire 4th gen Prius lineup’s Ride and Handling has vastly improved over its predecessor and the Prime received that and more. It rides flat through corners and provides a lot more confidence when nearing the limits than the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen did. However, it still sits on a compact wheelbase with minimal sound insulation so it is not a luxurious ride by any stretch. You hear the suspension bits doing their thing when going over speed bumps while crawling or expansion joints at speed. That is something you do not hear in a Camry, Accord, or Sonata Hybrid for example.

    The Drivetrain? What a thing of beauty. It is a symphony of integration with the focus on absolute efficiency. All the moving parts including HW and SW integration are scrumptious to drive if your focus is efficiency. It will never win a race to the stop light ahead but it will provide even foolhardy souls efficiency that they have never before experienced and ability to skip the pump for days or weeks at a time vs. whatever they are driving now outside the electric space.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited Moroney

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    While the upfront MSRP is sky high for its limited std. equipment, $36,031 in this example, the actual purchase price of an LE - Limited after the giveaways including the Federal tax credit - $4,502, any state tax rebates or credits w/ CA at $1k, CO at $5k iirc, and MA at $2k, dealership discounts as high as $3,300, and Toyota rebates running from $1.5k on the West coast to as high as $3.5k in MA currently, plus a $750 Uber driver rebate creates what is easily the lowest total cost of ownership vehicle available to us today.

    I have read from numerous uninformed auto journalists touting that the Model3 is the lowest TCO vehicle available in America which could not be further from the truth. The Prius Primes’ low upfront price, low depreciation, higher than normal reliability, and low refueling costs add up to an incredible bargain. So much so that if a new car in your drive for the lowest cost upfront and going forward, nothing currently beats a Prius Prime. If you are able to live or work around its shortfalls.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited TCO

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    Assumptions include KBB TIV in Fair condition for the Courier and Rideshare driver and Good for the everyday commuter, $2.5k down and the rest financed for the 4-year period, you qualify for all the rebates and incentives, and the high mileage commuter (75k miles a year) charges at home each and every day at rates that are less than $0.15/kWh.

    Low upfront price, decent utility, low fuel consumption, and low emissions. While it is not a BMW, MB, Lexus or Tesla, it is an everyday fuel saver that is not going to hurt nearly as bad after years of service vs any other vehicle one could choose to drive. Ok, so I did!

    Hot Deal – New 2020 Toyota Prius Prime LE for $16,529 + TTL

    Now if only Toyota would fix the tall driver ergonomics, the maligned infotainment system, and very high retail pricing, they would attract even more buyers…

    I will call this one a wrap although I am sure I will have more to add later. Including the fact that the 2020 Prius Prime is now spec’ed for 0W-16 oil vs 0W-20 like the 2017 – 2019s are. Oil changes are going to get interesting in a just a few months for some of us. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  18. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Just like our 2013 Elantra. If you tilt the sunshade bottom toward you or away from you , that helps block the sun a bit better. To me, I like the extension, compared to my past cars' sunshades.
     
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  19. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    Wayne, do you have a picture a bit bit farther back showing the console and the foot well?
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Neil:

    I do not but let me go look on the media site for one.

    Wayne
     
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