238 Mile Range Chevrolet Bolt: $37,495

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] With gas shortages on most Southeast citizens minds today, the upcoming Bolt could remove that worry. ;)

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – Sept. 20, 2016

    Remember the 2016 NAIAS in Detroit where we had a great first look – even if it was static - at the upcoming Bolt? The static interior and exterior looked great and felt good.

    2017 Chevrolet Bolt Powertrain Details -- “This could be the first BEV that makes sense.”

    Last week the Bolt’s range was announced and it caused more than a little stir with at an incredible 238 miles of range.

    Whooa, the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV Range = 238 Miles! -- GMs game changer has indeed changed the game.

    2017 Bolt EV Pricing Announced

    Early this morning (EST)GM let loose their near final salvo with regard to the insurmountable 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV. With an earlier announced price target of less than $37,500, the brand did just that with a starting MSRP of $37,495 including the D&H charge. If you qualify for the Federal $7,500 Tax credit and the $2,500 California State Tax Rebate, a net value of $27,495. Other States offer an even more generous credit for BEVs so the take home could come out to just over $25k for some. Sure beats the hell out of the lesser announced range and mythical Tesla Model 3 that may or may not arrive for another 18 to 24 months if that for a similar price.

    2017 Chevrolet Bolt

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    If buzz is what Chevrolet wants, buzz is what they are receiving. ;)

    Trim Detail

    The LT starts at $37,495 and includes Regen on Demand steering wheel paddle “shifter”, a rear view camera whose view is displayed through the standard 10.2” high resolution color touch screen and Michelin Self-sealing tires (in certain circumstances). Not sure what advantage those Michelins provide are as they probably have a higher RRc than the Goodyear’s, Bridgestone’s and even Michelin’s we would normally expect to see on a car with efficiency its key highlight. I digress as Run Flat like tires will get you to a service station in most cases.

    The Premier adds leather, front and rear heated seats, surround camera and rear camera mirror.

    Alongside the upcoming Bolt in select showrooms around the country is the award winning second gen 53-mile All-Electric Range Volt and all-new 2nd gen 47/46 mpg city/highway Malibu Hybrid. Imagine that choice!

    Like the end of all Bolt releases, Chevrolet says the 2017 Bolt EV will be available at select dealerships in late 2016. 350 miles range is only the beginning :D
     
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  2. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    I will be looking closely at the Bolt EV - it looks to be a great match for my family.

    I think the heated seats and steering wheel are available option for the LT. On Saturday, I took our e-Golf to the Electric Drive In event at the Larz Anderson Museum in Brookline MA, and I signed up for an early look at the Bolt EV. The dealer is thinking they will have the Bolt EV in December.
     
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  3. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    "Sure beats the hell out of the lesser announced range and mythical Tesla Model 3 that may or may not arrive for another 18 to 24 months if that for a similar price."

    I certainly could argue against this ,... but I won't.

    Watch how much cash GM throws on the hood of the Bolt in 18 to 24 months ....
    $3,000?
    $5,000?
    more ...???

    GM does NOT want another player in their space,.. and they'll do whatever it takes to try and prevent it.
     
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  4. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Yep they're going to have to get the price below $30K if they want to compete with the hybrids with the low fuel prices.

    The local dealer has 2016 Two Eco Prius for $23,760 the other has one for $22,805 with $2000 and $3000 on the hood as they say.

    With the fuel prices by me if I was getting 45 mpg with a Prius the breakeven with the Bolt would be 274,500 miles and that would be if I was charging it up for FREE.
     
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  5. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    If you had solar panels, you could be getting all your electricity - and driving - for free.

    Fossil fuels are ANYTHING but free - we are going to continue to pay more and more for our profligate use of oil and gas and coal, because of climate change.
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Chevrolet’s Bolt BEV – From the Heavens to Terra Firma

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – July 20, 2017

    On the eve of the first moon landing, GM equated its all-new 238 -mile all-electric range (AER) BEV to another moon-shot effort that occurred almost 50-years ago. Just two year after Neil Armstrong’s first step on the moon, the third of six total moon landings included a vehicle meant to allow astronauts the ability to explore more than just walking distance from the Lunar Excursion Module (LEM).

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    In July 1971, Apollo 15 astronauts explored the moon in the first electric-powered Lunar Rover, thanks to help from GM engineers. Fast-forward to the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV with its 238-mile range and costing a fraction of the Lunar Rover’s $38 million price tag, the Bolt EV has made driving electric attainable for the rest of us.

    Working at light speed, GM, in cooperation with partner companies, developed, designed and tested the Lunar Rover. Engineers from GM helped create a revolutionary electric motor drive system, suspension, mesh wire wheels and a unique drive controller adapted for lunar gloves.

    Project chief engineer Ferenc Pavlics and his team thought outside the box to solve challenges for both for astronauts and future EV customers. Almost 50 years after the project, Pavlics still remembers the innovation and commitment required to build an electric vehicle with unprecedented performance.
    The Chevrolet EVs have the advantage of finding new roads on Earth, but the team(s) brings the same commitment to engineering cars as the Rover team did to mobility on a foreign body in the heavens.

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    Starting at a steep $37,495, the 2017 Bolt EV offers Regen on Demand steering wheel paddle, 10.2-inch-diagonal color touchscreen and an 8 year/100,000-mile battery and propulsion system limited warranty. The chart topping $41,780 top-trim Premier model incl. the $875 D&H, adds leather seats, front and rear heated seats, Surround Vision Camera, Rear Camera Mirror. See the embedded Monroney above for more.

    Is it any wonder why Chevy Forced To Extend Shutdown Of Bolt Plant?
     
  7. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    How the heck could that rover have air cooling on the moon? Is that an error, or were the motors inside sealed capsules of cooling air?
     
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Redylc94:

    How about vacuum cooling on the moon and air cooling when testing here on earth. Either way, it is open to whatever atmosphere they are in vs. the Bolt with liquid cooling.

    Wayne
     
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Chevrolet announced that its Bolt EV is now available by order or in stock at certified dealerships "nationwide". Through Aug. 30, 2017, Chevrolet has sold 11,670 Bolt EVs this year and 12,249 since the start of sales in December 2016.

    2017 Chevrolet Bolt

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    The Bolt EV has won nearly 40 independent awards, making it the most-awarded electric vehicle of the year. Recently named a 2017 Top Safety Pick by the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety (IIHS) when equipped with available Driver Confidence II Package, the Bolt EV also earned the coveted titles of Motor Trend® 2017 Car of the Year, 2017 North American Car of the Year and Green Car of the Year, awarded by Green Car Journal.

    Starting at an MSRP of $37,495 before federal tax incentives of up to $7,500 depending upon individual tax situation, the 2017 Bolt EV offers an EPA-estimated 238 miles of range on a single charge. Standard features include electronic precision shift, Regen on Demand steering wheel paddle, 10.2-inch-diagonal color touchscreen and an 8-year/100,000-mile (whichever comes first) battery and propulsion system limited warranty. The top-trim Premier model adds leather-appointed seats, front and rear heated seats, Surround Vision, Rear Camera Mirror and more.

    With the much more palatable Tesla Model3 just ahead, I suspect this one like most BEVs released in the past 5-years will be an asterisk into 2020 and beyond.

    Wayne
     
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  10. Chris12

    Chris12 Well-Known Member

    A lot of east coast dealerships are now offering the 2017 Chevy Bolt LT for $30-31K. You have to be careful because some of these dealerships are factoring the $7,500 federal tax credit into the list price, but most are not - they'll sell you a Bolt for around 30 thousand before the tax credit. In New York State, with both the federal and state tax credits, this makes the Bolt LT come out to around $24K after tax. I've even seen one dealership in MA which is leasing a 2017 Bolt LT for $2500 down, $209 a month for 36 months (though with a 10,000 mile a year limit). This comes out to $10,024 over three years to lease a Bolt. If it were me, given depreciation, battery degradation issues, advances in EV tech over the next 3-5 years, the fact that 80% of EV drivers lease rather than buy, etc., I would lease....

    https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...ORT&sort=price-lowest&stkTypId=28880&zc=10701
     
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  11. Chris12

    Chris12 Well-Known Member

    Just for comparison, at $30K the Bolt LT is basically the same price as the Ioniq EV base, but with more or less double the range. The front seats of the Bolt are notoriously uncomfortable: https://www.torquenews.com/1/chevy-bolt-owners-have-only-one-complain-hey-not-buick-ev . So much so that there's apparently a campaign led by Bolt owners to try and get Chevy to do a recall on the front seats. But to be able to buy a 238-mile EV for basically the same price as a 124-mile EV (either the Ioniq or the e-Golf) seems like a pretty good deal...
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    It has been a while since I added anything to the Bolt's details.

    2020 Chevrolet Bolt AER Increased From 238 to 259 Miles

    The Chevrolet Bolt EV will now offer 259 miles of range on a full charge, a 21-mile increase over the 2017 – 2019 MYs. The Chevrolet Bolt EV’s long range will allow future owners to travel even further between charging sessions.

    2020 Chevrolet Bolt

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    Chevrolet’s battery engineering team improved the energy of the cell electrodes by making small changes to the cell chemistry. This range increase occurred without needing to change the physical battery pack size and its integration into the Bolt.

    Last year, the myChevrolet mobile app was updated allowing customers smartphones to run the Energy Assist feature via Apple CarPlay and Android Auto for 2017 MY and newer Bolt EVs.

    The 2020 Bolt EV will arrive in dealerships later this year with the same starting of $37,495 incl, D&H that the Bolt costs in 2017. Additional updates include two new exterior colors: Cayenne Orange Metallic and Oasis Blue.

    2020 Chevrolet Bolt Year over Year U.S. Sales
    • 23,297 were sold in 2017 - First full year of availability
    • 18,019 were sold in 2018
    • 13,011 were sold through Sept. of 2019 with a 2019 expected result of just over 17k units if current sales trends hold through the final 3-months of the year
    Wayne
     
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  13. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    Very sad sales figures... Call it a CUV and it should do better. :D
     
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  14. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Trax EV
     
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  15. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I think people look at the (high) price , then they look at the car and think...……...it's a tiny hatchback.
    Then they buy an Explorer or Jeep. I think it's great. A lot more ($$$) battery than people really need ,
    but hey, that's what is driving the cost of batteries down.
     
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  16. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The large battery means I wouldn't need to install a Level 2 EVSE for my weekly use.
     
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  17. litesong

    litesong litesong

    We already have a 220Volt dryer hookup. Just need the right adapter. Think Tesla has them already, altho I may hold out for a 64+kW-hr Ioniq. Also, there is a free 110Volt & 220Volt charger, about a mile away, free charger in the next town & more than one free charger on the east side of the Cascade Mountains. Got hooked on free charging while riding my electric bicycle. Restaurants would let me charge free while eating, got free charging at city parks, while exploring their parklands. Let's see........ 1000 gallons of fuel, at $3+/gal., for $3000+...... or 9500 kW-hrs at $0.00/kW-hr equals $0.00. Hard, hard choice.
     
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  18. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    litesong, what was the time period for the 1000 gallons or 9500 kWh? 1 year? That's a lot of miles. 50,000 miles for a hybrid car at 50 MPG average or the same distance for a pretty efficient EV (5.26 miles/kWh).

    If you need to charge that on the free L2 (6.6 kW), that's about 1440 hours. A lot of time parked away from home.
     
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I'm waiting for the Bolt with 125 mile range. 238 miles is way more than I want to buy.
    I know how to rent an ICE car if I need to take a trip.
     
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  20. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Remember "Who Killed The Electric Car " ? I think it was General Motors. They can't kill Nissan , Tesla , VW or other
    BEV manufacturers. They will surely kill the Bolt soon.
     
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