2017 Hyundai Elantra Limited and SE Review

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    2019 Hyundai Elantra, the Refresh

    The refreshed 2019 Hyundai Elantra sedan now incorporates Hyundai’s SmartSense safety and convenience technologies in the higher end trims and packages.

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    SmartSense includes Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist, Lane Keep Assist, Driver Attention Assist and Safe Exit Assist.

    2019 Elantra Sedan Updates

    Exterior Changes
    • New hood, front fenders, front fascia, grille and headlights
    • New trunk, taillights and rear fascia
    • New 16- and 17-inch wheel designs
    • New 15-inch alloy wheel design on Eco trim
    • LED headlights applied to Limited and Sport trims
    Interior Changes
    • New center cluster
    • Air vents
    • AVN/Audio/Temperature controls
    • Storage tray
    • New instrument cluster and housing
    Hyundai SmartSense includes:
    • Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA) applied to SEL trim and above
    • Lane Keep Assist (LKA) applied to SEL trim and above
    • Driver Attention Alert (DAA) applied to SEL trim and above
    • Safe Exit Assist (SEA) added to Limited with Ultimate Package
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    Interior Features:
    • 5-inch color audio system
    • Bluetooth and steering wheel audio controls applied to SE manual
    • Blue Link Connected Car System with three years of complimentary Blue Link services applied to Value Edition
    • Qi wireless charging applied to Limited
    • Android Auto and Apple CarPlay
    • HERE HD Traffic 8” Multimedia Navigation System offered with higher level trims
    • Infinity premium audio with 8-speakers including a center channel and subwoofer applied to Limited
    • Smart Shift Drive Mode applied to SEL and above
    • Standard rear view camera with dynamic guidelines
    Elantra has achieve sales of more than 3 million since its launch in the U.S. in 1991. Elantra has received numerous accolades including the most recent IIHS Top Safety Pick Plus for model year 2018. In addition to quality, reliability and being backed by America’s Best Warranty, the JD Power IQS recently awarded Hyundai third place overall, just behind Hyundai’s Genesis and Kia brands in the highly regarded industry quality study. The Elantra is built in Hyundai’s Montgomery, Alabama plant and Ulsan, South Korea..

    The 2019 Elantra Limited debuts with Hyundai’s next generation AVN 5.0 infotainment system. This system features an upgraded processor for greater responsiveness, as well as an 8-inch screen vs. the 7-inch screen in the last generation Elantra. Using presets with AVN 5.0 is a snap because AM, FM and SiriusXM channels are now combined on one screen and also feature HERE HD Traffic (without a subscription). A bird’s eye view has also been added to navigation maps and drivers can now get traffic flow and incident data without ever paying for a subscription via HD Radio.

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    The Elantra Limited with the Ultimate Pkg. includes Infinity Premium Audio with Clari-Fi, Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and wireless smartphone charging.

    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I have seen a few of the 2019 Hyundai Elantra's from Rental Fleet's while in Hawaii this week. I love the new rear end just as I liked the refreshed 2018 Sonata's.

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    The front I am still getting used too. :(

    Wayne
     
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  3. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Here's an early sketch of the front end, before they tamed it down a bit. :rolleyes:

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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    Yup.

    2019 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    Wayne
     
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  5. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Seeing the Isosceles-inspired nose on various websites since September has made me happy that I snapped up this back-lot pearl from a local dealer at the end of this past July:

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    It's a bit like Wayne's Uber-Elantra but steel 15's tell you it's the more basic SE trim.

    The SE is well equipped, but it's missing some features, such as a "P" on the shifter: ;) ;) ;)

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    The kicker was that they tried to sell us the automatic for the same price because someone else was interested in the same car. We said 'no' - we want the stick. Checked with the sales rep a few days later - the other "buyer" never showed, never called, never answered callbacks. So no lost sale there.

    I drove it home same-day, and got just over 44mpg going uphill most of the way (about 1800ft up between the dealer and the house) and through a torrential summer t-storm. Not bad for a first drive in an unfamiliar car. The wife has since reported the aFCD stays comfortably above 45 without trying too hard. The damn thing is geared so well it's a pleasure to drive.

    Thankfully, the '19s can be had with the extra pedal on the floor, too. Triangles and all, it's a great buy for anyone who likes the idea of using both hands and both feet when driving.
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I like it.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Now this was a pretty cool Vid recognizing the longevity of the Elantra. In this case, a 2013 that has surpassed 1,000,000 miles. Meet Farrah Haines and her own 2013 Elantra. :)


    Wayne
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Another addition I did not know existed... "Safe Exit Assist" using the existing BSM monitors.


    Wayne
     
  9. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Hyundai, still killin' it. Elantra is still pretty handsome. And can still get it with stick?? Ohhhh yeah.
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I have just spent a few hours with the 2020 Elantra and there are a number of upgrades and some minor decontenting worth noting.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited Driver Display

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    Notice the new speedo and tach small demarcation surrounds? Also, look within the speedo and tach display itself. A finish flag like checkerboard is also new.

    And finally, a whole slew of safety equipment adjustments including Smart Cruise Control (SCC), new Driver Attention Warning, Forward Collision warning time (Limited with the Ultimate package only), Auto High Beam, and the SMART moniker indicating SEco mode. The Smart Exit Assist to keep someone from taking your door off with your hand attached is pretty cool too.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited - Bright Vent Inserts

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    I know it is a poor picture and I will take another during the day but there is new chrome brightwork on the vent edges adding a more upscale look.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited - 3 aFCDs

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    And how about this one. Finally, 3 aFCDs!!! I have been howling about this for 3 years and at least in the 2020 Elantra Limited, the problem is solved with 3 driver/ refuel or next engine start, resettable aFCD displays. There is another that has always been there when shutting down, the days average is displayed for a few seconds.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited Center Console

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    One item I was tempted to take a drill or Dremel tool on my 18 Elantra Eco trim was the center console to create cord indents. Hyundai has quietly upgraded the center console for something they overlooked early on.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited Rear Fascia

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    From the 2019 refresh, the flat face rear trunk fascia like that added to the 2019 Sonata is a welcome upgrade. The refreshed front fascia however still does not work for me. The new LEDs look good compared to the HIDs from 2017 but I do not see that they would angle into the direction of travel like the HIDs did.

    I have not been in the back seat to see what has changed back there. Yet.

    Wayne
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And now for the decontenting... First off, the Limited trim heated rear seats are gone. I loved those for rear seat passengers in the Limited whenever I drove one.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    The new Qi charger.​

    For Android Auto and Apple Car Play, you have to plug in your phone - until the wireless methods are released next year - to the front data/charging port so Qi charging is not nearly as useful for a single phone as you may thing. For a second phone, it is excellent indeed!

    The center storage area is also smaller with the Qi charger on the left - new since 2017 - but there is only one 12V vs two before. I used both, one for the Garmin and the other for a 2.1A high speed Rapid-X 5 to supply up to 5-high speed charging ports to passengers.

    Another item missing is there used to be a sliding silver cover over the storage area that is now gone. It added class to my 18 Elantra ECO as it did the Value and Limited trims. No more as it is simply an open uncovered black plastic box now.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    The final item(s) that "changed" is the third central knob to control fan speed. Before, there were two buttons that controlled fan speed, one up and one down. It looks to busy now but that is a personal preference. A knob is always more tactile and you do not need to remove your eyes from the road to adjust vs the up and down fan speed buttons. I wish they would have moved to bright piano key like buttons instead of the wavy outline between them too. Again, just another personal preference.

    Wayne
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    HI All:

    Here is a much better pic of the upscale bright edged vent inserts. I am not sure if they are on just the Limited or the entire lineup. The media and consumer site only show the Limited trim interiors. The next time I am at a Hyundai dealership, I will take a look at the lesser trims to see how they are appointed?

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    A possible misstep with the sharp looking flat rear trunk fascia is there is now no handle to open it up manually while standing at the trunk. YOu can open it from the interior lever in the drivers side lower left footwell, you can open it with the fob, and you can open it up with the Smart Trunk feature. Key in your hand and walk to the rear for 3-seconds and it will open. Unfortunately, there is now no lever to reach in and open it up manually. Strange not to have that on a trunk?

    Wayne
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Some final details...

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    A sunset stop on the Pacific last night.​

    The 3-mpg gain in EPA highway efficiency appears to be dead on given our calibration, direct comparison, and Speed vs FE graph. I was skeptical at first but am now totally on board as it is a welcome addition.

    The CVT is indeed very smooth. Only when you jump on it does the fake shift begin to simulate gears. While the speed junkie journalists will complain, as long as Revs are not thrown into the 3k + range for an extended period, CVTs are actually less intrusive on the driving experience than a std. CVT. And yes, they - CVTs - have improved. A normal acceleration just moves up the band and you accelerate without any delay. Only in the milliseconds of transition between fuel cut and idle is there even a hint of a lurch and you have to be paying very close attention to it.

    Adding, I am not sure Hyundai engineers had the time to integrate the CVT into the drivetrain for maximum benefit. The CVT works great as mentioned directly above. The 147 hp and 132 lb-ft of torque 2.0L I4 is plenty for most compact owners and provides little complaints from owners since its introduction in early 2016. However, while completing the steady states (SSs) on CC, the RPMs were all over the map. Not that the driver and passengers could feel any accel/decel or experience any additional dBs into the cabin but I know the top ratio and final allows just over 1,500 RPM at 60 mph. I see this more often while off CC and driving in my std. gentle way but during the SSs, the lowest RPMs I was seeing was 1,650 even under fuel cut and upwards of 2,250 RPM to hold that speed steady. In other words, the entire CVTs ratio range is not being used as I suspect it could be if the engineers had more time to integrate the older 2.0L with the newer CVT. Expect to see a more symbiotic relationship with the all-new 7th gen 2021 Elantra next year.

    With Honda and Nissan having severe problems with their CVTs going back over a decade, I can only hope that Hyundai has broken the CVTs poor reliability prospects. The Corolla has been so equipped since the 2014 MY and I rarely hear anything about their CVT having issues.

    The $3,350 upcharge for the Ultimate pkg. is really really steep. It includes the 8" display w/ Navi, Safe Exit Assist, 4.2" color instrument display, Power sunroof, Forward Collision Warning with Pedestrian Detection, RCC, and Memory seats. As shown numerous times, while the Limited with the Ultimate pkg. is expensive when considering the retail price on its Monroney, with $6k off from Hyundai dealerships all over the country, it continues to offer a far better value proposition than any Corolla or Civic. The two segment leaders.

    RCC and Forward Collision Warning only available within the Ultimate Pkg. is a steep upcharge upgrade. Similar to what Toyota does with the Prius. FCW and RCC are std, but RCTA and BSM forces you to a much higher and more expensive trim.

    The small color driver display is on many cars’ base trims nowadays and the sunroof is good for $800. NAVI just is not worth anything anymore with Google Maps being far better. RCC and FCW with Pedestrian detection should be packaged for a lot less than having to upgrade to the most expensive trim with the expensive Ultimate pkg.

    Forward Collision Warning appears to work once as you approach an impediment ahead but does not work in subsequent approaches to the same barrier that has moved ahead a few 10s of feet. I do not have the manual so maybe the explanation is better in there? As I experienced it, to reset FCW, you may need to travel at a higher speed over some given number of seconds.

    RCC... Like all of the OEM systems, any driver cutting into your lane ahead is not detected until they are well into it and when the RCC reacts, it is harsh. Accelerations are rather aggressive even with the setting on its lightest setting. The Elantra's RCC is not a full stop and start. At 5 mph while decelerating, it drops out and you have to restart it and up the mph setting from the initial minimum of 20 mph all over again. That does get tiring.

    Infotainment... The Infinity system with Clari-Fi sounds excellent. In addition, and I am not sure this is not the latest Android Auto Update but I believe it is a later SW update in the car or faster processing than anything else. For example, if you are going to press the Like on Pandora, it occurs instantly vs a delay in our 17 Sonata Hybrid or my recently sold 18 Elantra.

    The inability to open the trunk from the trunk edge still has me scratching my head. There is the Hands Free Smart Trunk auto open when walking up with the key in your pocket, the cabin lever in the driver’s side foot well, and the FOB button but no way to just open it from the trunk with an unlocked car. The flat rear trunk fascia looks great but not exterior handle or opening button is a misstep.

    The Elantra's chief competitors have moved to an independent rear end. The Corolla, Civic, and now upcoming 2020 Sentra all include it. The Elantra's torsion beam rear end is fine for 90 percent of the driving envelope. It is when you reach those limits that the rest feel more planted. Consider that the excellent handling Mazda3 has moved to a less expensive torsion beam rear end tells us all that tuning is everything.

    The 2020 Elantra Limited is quiet on the road and like my 18 Elantra that covered over 156k miles in just 20-months under the harshest driving cycles, I can all but guarantee that there will be no rattles and it will feel far more solid than competitors with the same mileage. The abundance of chassis structural adhesive <-- I am fuzzy on the exact number but IIRC from the short lead 4 years ago, there was 327 ft of it -- really comes into its own in creating a high torsionally rigid chassis with limited opportunity for squeaks and rattles to begin or propagate.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    A final quick stop along the Pacific earlier today.​

    In conclusion, while the Elantra Limited with the Ultimate pkg. is a bit too steep for my tastes even after the discounts, a Value Edition trim to perform a long-term test on its CVT is not out of the question. If I can find one for the price I want to pay. ;)

    PS: Have I mentioned that Black is not be the color to own? Yes, a number of times. :D

    Wayne
     
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  14. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yes, Hyundai does that...... even to the extent of removing safety! Hyundai introduced the inexpensive "refurbished" Accent in 2006 & had disk brakes all around. Wow! In 2007 Accent retained the four disks. We bought a 2008 Accent, but the rear disks had been changed for drums. We're OK with Accent, but I can tell the difference without the rear disks. Also, we have had work done on our Accent rear drums & never had work done on our front disk brakes (including pads), despite the Accent's 158,000 miles. I loved the Elantra & we eventually got 2013 AND 2016 Elantras, which had a total of eight disk brakes(again, no repairs needed in 145,000 total miles). But sometime later, I think Hyundai removed the rear disk brakes on the Elantra too.
    It appears that Hyundai swims in false economy. If Hyundai had made a 100% commitment to disk brakes all the way around in all their models, they would have NOT entangled themselves in drum brake technology which would have saved them money via disk brake lower cost per unit. AND consistent 4 wheel disk brakes would have been a great safety selling point.
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    As our week with the 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited is quickly coming to a close, the obligatory front and rear seating position collage and trunk provides some insight into the 95.8 cu. ft. and 14.4 cu. ft. of rated passenger and cargo volume.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    Front seating is always exemplary outside of maybe the upcoming 2020 Sentra which matches it. Rear seating is tight for taller folks behind taller drivers for sure.

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    A nice sized trunk regardless of the form of large flat rear trunk fasica looking good vs. lesser function with no opening handle or button.

    Wayne
     
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  16. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Another unofficial IVT comparison can be added to the mix with the EPA dyno numbers for the 2021 Kia Seltos going live this week. The Seltos is a squared-up Kona with the same Atkinson MPI Nu engine but different transmission - IVT for the Kia versus the legendary and beloved A6GF1 6 speed automatic in the Hyundai.

    We can't assume a direct comparison because Kia and Hyundai have their own engineers calibrating their own unique versions of the same platform. Anyone who doubts how different "the same car" can be is free to compare Chicago pizza to New York pizza to Domino's. Hey, it's all just pizza.

    With that being said, the following numbers show in the spreadsheets:
    2020 Hyundai Kona 2.0L AWD 6AT - Window 26 / 30 / 28 Dyno 33.16 / 43.47 / 37.12
    2021 Kia Seltos LX/EX 2.0L AWD IVT - Window 27 / 31 / 29 Dyno 35.0 / 44.4 / 38.69

    The IVT shows +1 here - a smaller gain for sure. Best guess is that the curb weight, larger frontal area, and butchier tires combine with the small engine to keep the load and rpm relatively high - whether repeatedly getting the 1.5 ton weight moving around town or pushing the larger/squarer shape down the highway.
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    What I hope to do is get into a 2020 Kia Forte FE or 2020 Hyundai Elantra SE/SEL/VE sometime this year. I can all but guarantee none will touch the 1.4L Eco but the latest 2020 Elantra Limited with the CVT and 17s proved itself to be pretty darn efficient. I can almost bet the smaller wheel versions of the same would do even better.

    Right now, Kia does not have any Forte's in its fleet and Hyundai only had the Limited trim Elantra available. The world is definitely moving to the SUVs and I can get my hands on the Telluride or Palisades with numerous trims with a simple e-mail. The fuel efficient sedans, not so much. :(

    Wayne
     
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Yes !
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    As I approach the final hour with the 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited, I took it out for one last long drive last night. Mainly to get a handle on that CVT action in CC and when not on CC. Also, to describe how good the LKA system really is. But first, I finally saw the rear taillamps at night and they look pretty damn good.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited – Rear Taillamps

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    2018 Hyundai Elantra ECO - Rear Taillamps

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    As mentioned previously numerous times above, the new large flat fascia trunk from the 2019 refresh looks far better than the 2017 – 2018 MYs. The taillamps look more aggressive and imho, are better looking as well. I do not think I will come around to saying that new angular front end is a positive however. The profile... Like most compacts, it is good but not great. Going back to the 2011 – 2016, now that was a compact profile!

    While driving on CC, as soon as you set it, the RPMs ramp up a few hundred. Any climb, and even while driving down a flat stretch of Interstate, the tach is running 150 to 250 RPM higher than when off CC and driving on my own. The Efficiency is far better in manual control as well. In Sport, the tach really jumps, in Normal, the tach jumps around more but not as much in Sport. In Smart/Eco, it still upticks for an unexplained reason? From my previous conclusions, I just think the engineers did not have enough time to calibrate the older engine to the new CVT. Or maybe it is a reliability addition. Higher revs indicate the belt is running lower on the one sheave and higher on the other producing less over all deflection on both sets of drive and driven discs?

    Let us talk about the Lane Keep Assist (LKA) system. I am still enamored with Toyota’s RCC and its smooth interaction with traffic when either decelerating or accelerating. Nobody does it as good as them. Headlamps are always a BMW strong point and few do it as well while still within DOT limitations. That has changed over the years since the DOT has clamped down on their high beams but I digress. ;) When it comes to LKA, I am now in the camp that Hyundai’s latest is possibly the best on the planet outside of the Level 3 autonomous solutions. It does not ping pong between lanes, it does not create an overly forceful haptic wheel action to maintain strict lane centering, and it does not grab the wheel and try and drive you off every exit as some OEMs systems are still prone to do. It simply keeps you somewhat centered in your lane, the Lane Departure Warning (LDW) system provides input when you are heading to the solid left or broken white lines, and it helps to steer around long curves with the gentleness of a relaxed day time cruise. To think this is std. on all the Elantra’s from the lowest price SE trim up to the fully load Limited with the Ultimate is saying something.

    Oh, and the Auto dimming rear view can run into problems at sunset through dusk with cars and their lights on behind while the suns last rays are still beaming through the same back window. I wish they all had a manual lever to toggle them out. This is not a fault of Hyundai but all the auto dim mirrors I have used over the years have this same problem.

    The 2020 Hyundai Elantra limited is scheduled to be picked up in just under 15-minutes and with that, I guess we will call this one a wrap. Nobody can touch its price after the discounts. The $21.5k price on the Limited with the Ultimate pkg. was still available here in SD until last night. Few in the segment can match its efficiency even when loaded to the 9s including the fuel robbing 17s attached thanks to that all-new CVT and the 360-degree safety features are first rate. This is a good thing. Now about that front-end design… ;)

    Wayne
     
  20. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Good job, Wayne. I have yet to enjoy any LKA system, but maybe someday... I don't care for the one in the 2017 Prime. I also don't like *any* auto dimming mirror. I'm better off manually toggling.
     
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