Hyundai’s IONIQ HEV, PHEV and BEV Preview

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Thunderstruck:

    The 2019 is in Hyundai dealerships now.

    Here are the 2019s pricing details.

    2019 Ioniq Blue - $22,400, + $200 over the 2018 MY.
    2019 Ioniq SEL - $24,950, + $950 over the 2018 MY but now includes the $1,000 Tech pkg std. so it is actually $50 less.
    2019 Ioniq Limited - $28,550, + $1,000 over the 2018 MY.

    2019 Hyundai Ioniq

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    The Limited Ultimate Package now costs $2,200, $800 less than the 2018 MY Ultimate pkg. and includes the following:
    • Headlights w/ Dynamic Bending Light function (DBL)
    • Rear parking sensors
    • Integrated Memory System (IMS) for driver’s seat
    • Floor console-mounted rear vents
    • Cargo cover
    • Navigation system w/ 8-inch color touchscreen display
    • Infinity Premium Audio w/ Clari-fi™ Music Restoration Technology & 8 speakers
    • Blue Link® Guidance Package (for 3-years, enrollment required)
    • Wireless device charging for compatible
    Dealer Installed Options

    Cargo net - $50, NC from the 2018 MY
    Wheel locks - $55, NC from the 2018 MY
    Rear bumper applique - $70, NC from the 2018 MY
    Cargo tray - $115, +$10 over the 2018 MY
    Carperted floor mats - $125, NC from the 2018 MY
    Cargo cover - $150, NC from the 2018 MY

    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    IONIQ -- New for 2019:

    Driver Attention Alert and High Beam Assist safety features are now available. An Enhanced, natural-language, server-based voice-recognition and POI-search database provided by HERE, Automatic Emergency Braking, Lane Keep Assist and Smart Cruise Control added to SEL, Standard remote charge management for Plug-in and Electric models via Blue Link.

    Wayne
     
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  3. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Gave up on it after seeing Consumer Reports said the brakes had really bad stopping distance. "Ioniq has among the worst braking performance we've seen in years."
     
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  4. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Who uses brakes ?
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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  6. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    I guess we shall see. I traded in the Prius Wednesday night for an Ioniq. Much more nicely equipped, and looks like a normal car instead of the bizarre styling the Prius had. OTOH, the Ioniq can't match the mileage of the Prius, based on my initial impressions.
     
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  7. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Congrats!
     
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  8. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Yep. Congrats. Blue Crush--I take it you got the Blue model? That should do real well, I would think, against the Prius fuel economy wise.
     
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  9. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    I got the Limited. Name is an oblique reference to Blue Crush 2, a cheesy movie with Sasha Jackson.
    Couple of observations for prospective owners. First, the OBD port is horizontal and at bottom of fuse box, so the only way to plug an SG or BT OBD adapter is to leave cover off fuse box. Second, to use Android Auto your phone has to be plugged into the USB port and the max power appears to be 500ma. Screen will be off with AA, but no fast charging. I have a big screen phone, and to keep it in the tray where plug is I'll be needing a right angle plug because it's a tight fit and I don't want to mess my USB port up. Both of these tell me they don't understand their prospective audience.
    It appears full model info only shows on Fuelly badge if you click on it. Model is correctly defined on Fuelly.
    Edit: I'm going to do a splash and dash fillup in the next day or 2 just to work on getting SG a little closer.
     
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  10. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I have never liked AA with USB plugged in, so I don't use it. I still rely on a Garmin or the Android phone displaying a mapping app directly. There is also significant lag for me with AA on USB though my phone normally has snappy response.
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Refreshed 2020 Hyundai Ioniq

    [​IMG] Fascias, interior appointments, and some safety updates round out the hybrid and plug-in hybrids refresh.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – November 20, 2019

    Los Angeles, California -- Hyundai revealed a refresh of its 2020 IONIQ lineup with a new aerodynamic exterior and interior design.

    2020 Hyundai Ioniq

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    All refreshed IONIQ’s arrive with Hyundai SmartSense standard. This driver assistance system pkg includes standard Forward Collision Avoidance Assist, High Beam Assist and a Drivers Attention Warning that can alert drivers to potential hazards.

    Up front, the HEV and PHEV include a redesigned mesh-type radiator grille, an updated front bumper with silver molding along the bottom, and DRL bezels that create a more refined look. New anthracite gray trim is located on the rear bumper molding.

    2020 IONIQ HEV/PHEV Highlights

    Exterior
    • New mesh-type grille (HEV, PHEV)
    • New distinctive pattern on the closed grille of the Electric
    • New front and rear bumper fascias
    • LED head, tail and daytime running lamps
    • New wheel designs
    • New side sill moldings
    Interior
    • Available 10.25-inch widescreen Navigation system
    • New center LCD information screen
    • New upper and lower instrument panel
    • New console upper cover
    • Dark chrome instrument panel trim
    • Touchscreen heating and cooling controls
    • High-tech customizable ambient lighting
    • Piano key controls
    IONIQ HEV Packaging Changes

    Blue trim
    • 8” display w/ Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
    • Forward Collison-Avoidance Assist added with SmartSense
    • Lane Keeping Assist
    • High Beam Assist
    • Driver Attention Warning
    • Regenerative braking paddle shifters
    SE replaces SEL trim
    • 8” Display w/ Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
    • Blue Link connected car system
    • Regenerative braking paddle shifters
    SEL replaces Limited trim
    • LED headlamps
    • Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go
    • Electronic parking brake
    • 8” Display w/ Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
    • Qi wireless phone charger
    • Ambient interior lighting
    • Power folding side mirrors with puddle lamps
    • Lane Follow Assist
    • Forward Collision Avoidance Assist with Pedestrian Detection
    • Regenerative braking paddle shifters
    Limited replaces Limited with Ultimate package
    • LED Headlights
    • Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go
    • Electronic parking brake
    • 10.25” Embedded Navigation
    • Ambient interior lighting
    • Harman Kardon premium audio
    • Highway Driving Assist
    • Front parking sensors
    • Lane Follow Assist
    • Forward Collision Avoidance Assist with Pedestrian Detection
    • Regenerative braking paddle shifters
    2020 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 Interior

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    PHEV Limited Trim shown.​
    PHEV SE replaces PHEV trim
    • Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go
    • Electronic parking brake
    • 8” Display w/ Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
    • Regenerative braking paddle shifters
    PHEV SEL replaces PHEV Limited trim
    • LED Headlamps
    • Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go
    • Electronic parking brake
    • 8-inch Display w/ Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
    • Qi wireless charger
    • Ambient interior lighting
    • Power folding side mirrors with puddle lamps
    • Lane Follow Assist
    • Forward Collision Avoidance Assist with Pedestrian Detection
    • Regenerative braking paddle shifters
    PHEV Limited replaces PHEV Limited with Ultimate package
    • Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go
    • Electronic parking brake
    • 10.25” w/ Embedded Navigation
    • Harman Kardon premium audio
    • Ambient interior lighting
    • Highway Driving Assist
    • Front parking Sensors
    • Lane Follow Assist
    • Forward Collision Avoidance Assist with Pedestrian Detection
    • Regenerative braking paddle shifters
    2020 Hyundai IONIQ Hybrid MSRP

    Blue - $23,000, up $600 over the 2019 MY
    SE - $24,950, same price as the 2019 MY
    SEL - $28,200, down $350 below the 2019 MY
    Limited - $31,000, up $250 over the 2019 MY

    2020 Hyundai IONIQ PHEV-29 MSRP

    SE - $26,300, up $950 over the 2019 MY
    SEL - $29,300, down $50 below the 2019 MY
    Limited - $32,750, up $425 over the 2019 MY

    Freight charges of $930 are up $5 over the 2019 MY are not included in the MSRP details.

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    Refreshed 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Early Conclusions

    Hyundai moved to a gloss black radio fascia and face plate with a floating 8" and 10.25" display which adds a higher quality look than the radio controls jammed into the soft touch dash. It looks better although I am not sure if they changed that soft touch plastic texture as that was a low point vs the Honda Insight in particular.

    Outside, I like the Sonata like grille and chrome surround. The chrome is probably a high-level Limited trim addition? I will let you know when we spot the Blue, SE and SELs in the showroom or on the road.

    I also hope the SE - last year’s SEL - arrives with RCTA and BSM standard like last years model lineup. It is the keystone to a 360-degree safety assist system and without it, I feel more vulnerable when driving cars without than with. Those details should be released soon as the 2020 Hyundai Ioniq lineup is scheduled to reach showrooms in early winter.
     
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  12. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    They should be here now since it already feels like winter here in the midwest. Does the regenerative braking control with paddle shifter mean the transmission can disconnect now for better coasting when desired? Looks from photo like it still has DSG rather than CVT, which is what kills the economy. Mine is meh at best, but I needed the HID headlights so had to buy the package with bigger tires.
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Along with the refresh upgrades posted for the 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid (HEV) and Plug-in Hybrid (PHEV), the Ioniq Electric was given new life with some major drivetrain upgrades.

    2020 Hyundai Ioniq Electric

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    Drivers of the new 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Electric now receive 170 miles of all-electric range thanks to a new and massively upsized 38.3-kWh traction battery, up from the 28 kWh battery in the 2019 model.

    Like the HEV and PHEV, the Ioniq Electric now arrives with SmartSense standard which includes Forward Collision Avoidance Assist, High Beam Assist and a Drivers Attention Warning.

    Hyundai’s Assurance warranty includes a 10-year powertrain warranty and Lifetime Battery Warranty for the original owner.

    2020 IONIQ Electric SE replaces Electric trim
    • Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go
    • 8” Display with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
    2020 Hyundai IONIQ Electric Drivetrain

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    2020 Hyundai Ioniq Electric Limited
    • Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go
    • LED Headlamps
    • 10.25” Display
    • Harman Kardon premium audio
    • Ambient interior lighting
    • Highway Driving Assist
    • Lane Follow Assist
    • Forward Collision Avoidance Assist w/ Pedestrian Detection
    The new IONIQ Electric’s traction battery provides 36% more energy storage which now provides 170 miles of all-electric estimated range, up from 124 miles in the 2019 model.

    The e-motor delivers 134 hp and 218 lb.-ft. of torque and a standard 7.2-kW on-board charger, up from the 2019s 6.6-kW unit. From a 100-kW CCS DC fast-charging station, the battery can reach 80% charge from flat in just 54 minutes.

    IONIQ Plug-in and Electric are available with redesigned 16-inch (standard) alloy wheels

    The new IONIQ Electric also features Eco+, which supplements the standard Eco, Comfort and Sport driving modes. By selecting the Eco+ mode, drivers can reduce their energy consumption and the car’s remaining energy can be extended during unforeseeable emergency situations.

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    If only it arrived with a 80 to 100-kWh battery, that range would be well into the mid to high 300s and possibly even touch 400 miles! :(

    Wayne
     
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  14. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Too bad that , as far as Hyundai is concerned , the Ioniq Electric is just a compliance car.
     
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  15. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Hyundai Ioniq is the most efficient of EVs. If it retains its efficiency title when it gets a 64(+?) kW-hr pack, I may be up for one. Ioniq has the same wheels as our Elantras & I've got several different style, 5 by 114.3mm bolt pattern wheels, with 40mm off-sets. I'll save thousands in wheel/tire costs. Trying to figure if they will fit on a Tesla Model 3. Tesla is very efficient, too.
     
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  16. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    The Tesla Model 3 shares the 5x114.3 bolt pattern with Hyundai, but uses a 64.1mm center bore, which is actually a match for Honda. Hyundai wheels have a 671.mm center bore, so although Hyundai wheels bolt onto the Tesla 3, the weight of the car will be borne by 20 bolts and not the wheel hubs.
     
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  17. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Oh, thank you for the info. For a feather footer, would the larger center bore be OK, or would hub-centric rings be recommended.
     
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  18. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Spacers would probably be a good idea. When the wheel isn't supported by the hub, you usually end up with vibration at speed.
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I am still afraid of the long-term health of the Ioniq HEV/PHEVs DCT myself. When the dealership was talking about a $6k replacement and no chance to repair/replace with just 150k miles on the Elantra Eco with the 7-speed DCTs odometer, that scared me. Both Ioniq's are better vehicles than the Prius and Prius Prime for the driving experience but you cannot deny Toyota's HSD drivetrain longevity/reliability over the long haul.

    2020 Ioniq Electric

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    I also hope they, Hyundai, can find a way to insert that 64-kWh pack into the Electric without too much of a hit to the cargo volume. The current Electric with the 38-kWh pack has 23 cu. ft. behind the rear seats, the same as the 28-kWh pack from last year’s Ioniq Electric and 8.9 kWh pack in the PHEV. I am not sure how they did that.

    The HEV Limited to the 28-kWh Electric to the 38-kWh Electric went from 3,115 to ~ 3,165 lbs to ~ 3,325 lbs between both trims. An additional 200 to 250 lbs and the loss of 3 to 5 cu. ft. should be acceptable if the larger pack can be packaged below the hatches lip with its cooling circuits intact? Given the increased mass, I suspect Hyundai would eventually need to pigeon hole the Kona Electrics 201 hp motor under the hood as well? There is not that much room as you can see. Big ifs here and by the time my wishes were reality, there will be some other Electric in the lineup?

    124-miles to 170-miles of all-electric range was a nice upgrade for the 2020 for what we all hope to be essentially the same price? They are still shooting behind the target however as even the Bolt is now up to 259-miles of all-electric range. Everyone will soon be supplying 300+ miles of all-electric range. If Hyundai can fit the 64-kWh pack, they will? Will they however given they just uprated the Ioniq from 24 to 38.3 kWh and it will not be out to the public until this winter?

    The 300-mile metric is the new minimum low bar if any OEM is going to play in the electric space imho. Slow sales of the Ioniq Electric, e-tron SUV, and even the LEAF makes carrying them a huge burden in this day and age so maybe the Ioniq Electric will disappear like so many other makes and models over the years? Hyundai also needs to consider increasing the CCS DC Fast Charging capability. Not the onboard 6.6 to 7.2-kWh L2 from your home but the 100-kW system which seemed like a dream just a few years ago. Today, that is beginning to appear awfully slow for the 300-mile range all-electrics if you are out on the highway in line at a charging station like so many Tesla's are today. :(

    Wayne
     
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  20. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    I think the DCT would work well in the HEV/PHEV drivetrain because it just needs to couple the electric motor to the gearbox with first gear selected. There's no slippage needed since the electric motor isn't idling at 600rpm, necessitating the delicate modulation of the clutch pressure necessary to get a smooth launch. In the Ioniq, it can apply the clutch, select first gear, and dump the clutch. Input and output shafts are stationary.
    The DCT in anything that idles above 0 rpm needs to accomplish the nearly-impossible: To teach a computer how to operate a manual transmission as well as a human can.
     
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  21. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Fifteen years ago, I thought 50kW-hr packs would be the minimum. Nissan never should have introduced the Leaf with the 24 or 30kW-hr packs & sub-40kW-hr packs are just playing around. Now that EVs are getting big, heavy AND TREATED like ICE vehicles, even 70 or 80kW-hr packs will end up with poor longevity.
    With all the "charge AND discharge it, fast & hard, come what may" BS pumped by rich people(& car reviewers), the voices of featherfooters, who charge slowly & get 440 potential miles out of 80kW-hrs, are totally lost in the media.
     
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