482,000 VW TDIs Produce 5 to 35Xs the NOx Beyond Federal Emissions Requirements

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  1. radtech

    radtech Active Member

    ok I got a letter Friday that phase II of the emissions modification is now available for 2.0L TDI
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Radtech:

    You are keeping your 15 Passat TDI w/ the stick? I Love your car! :)

    Wayne
     
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  3. radtech

    radtech Active Member

    Wayne,

    I will be driving my Passat till at least 2025. Odometer just turned 70,000 miles in hilly southern Indiana and Ohio area I’m averaging 48 1/2 miles to the gallon. I just hope this phase 2 emissions modification doesn’t trash that number!
     
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  4. radtech

    radtech Active Member

    Email received 5/21/2018:


    The EPA and CARB have approved Stage 2 of the emissions modification for your vehicle. For more information on the Approved Emissions Modification, including information on what the modification involves, the impact (if any) that the modification will have on the vehicle and the terms of the extended emissions warranty, please click here.

    What do I need to do now?

    · If you have not yet registered an account and/or submitted supporting information and documentation for your claim to participate in the Settlement Program, you may submit a claim through the Online Claims Portal or the Paper Claims Form.

    · If you already submitted a claim and selected Approved Emissions Modification as your remedy but have not yet received an offer letter, you do not need to do anything. Volkswagen will process your claim in the normal claims review process.

    · If you have already received and accepted an offer letter for an Approved Emissions Modification and your signed offer letter has been accepted by Volkswagen, you may schedule your appointment for an Approved Emissions Modification via the Online Claims Portal or by calling your preferred dealer. If you have already received Stage 1 of the Approved Emissions Modification, you will need to return to your preferred dealer to receive Stage 2 in order to receive the balance 1/3 of the restitution payment.

    · If you do not wish to participate in the Settlement Program but want to get an Approved Emissions Modification on your vehicle, you may schedule an appointment directly with your preferred dealer.

    The Approved Emissions Modification has been made available in two stages. Prior to the approval of the second stage of the Approved Emissions Modification, eligible consumers participating in the Settlement Program received 2/3 of the payment amount to which they are entitled upon completion of the first stage of the Approved Emissions Modification. Now that the second stage of the emissions modification is available, eligible consumers will receive both stages of the emissions modification in a single appointment and will receive the complete restitution payment upon completion of both stages of the modification. Eligible consumers that previously received the first stage of the modification and the 2/3 restitution payment will receive the last 1/3 of the payment amount after receiving the second phase of the modification. If a consumer sells or otherwise transfers ownership of their vehicle before the second stage of the Approved Emissions Modification can be completed, they will not be eligible to receive the last 1/3 of the payment, but the new owner will be able to submit a claim and complete the second stage of the approved emissions modification to receive the last 1/3 of the payment if all eligibility criteria are met.

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    Has anyone signed up yet for Phase 2?
     
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  5. radtech

    radtech Active Member

    Well, I had the Phase II performed and after two full tanks, I have seen a 1 MPG drop. I have a manual so I would expect that automatics probably saw a high decrease. Sound, power all stayed the same. I'm happy I took the $7600 and will drive the doors off of this car.
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    That's good news , radtech. It means that an emissions legal TDI is STILL very efficient.
     
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  7. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Good to hear! That's a pretty good deal for those who want to keep their cars.
     
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  8. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    It might even be a good deal for someone wanting a lightly used ( and legal ) TDI. Maybe a nice Golf Sportwagen 6MT ?
     
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  9. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    That's darned impressive. will be interesting to see how consumption of AdBlue changes.
     
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I should visit TDIClub to see feedback on this. As I recall , most of those guys were into modding their cars for performance and considered 50 MPG to be fantastic.
     
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  11. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Yes, newer cars such as the non hybrid Camry can do as well as diesels since they use an Atkinson cycle engine. Same high compression ratio, and since only 1 stroke out of 4 produces power that's the brilliance. The regular Camry got a not impressive 20 MPG city, but got an awesome 49 highway in Consumer Reports testing. That's short of the 57 I got one time in my 2014 Passat, but it's pretty good nonetheless.
     
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  12. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I reckon the 2018 Camry will give about the same results as my 2008 Civic 1.8 5AT. About 50 MPG
    at 55 MPH. That's not BAD , but.......what would a Cruze with 1.6 TD 6MT get ?
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Radtech:

    Any updates? Increased DEF use as well?

    Thanks in advance.

    Wayne
     
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  14. radtech

    radtech Active Member


    Wayne,

    I have over 80K on the TDI now. My technique has changed as my highway speeds are normally 68-70 mph. That said, I still think the total impact of the modifications is 1-2 mpg at the most. About the DEF, I have let to get the warning message to refill the DEF in between oil changes. The dealer tops off all fluids including the DEF during the oil changes. I'm pretty surprised that the DEF last between 10K mile oil changes. Also, I live in a very hilly terrain along the Indiana/Ohio border. So I'm surprised that the small impact to the mpg and the DEF. I'm happy with my decision to stick with the TDI and plan to keep it for a long time.
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Radtech:

    Thanks for the detail. If DEF change can still go out beyond 10k, it sounds like VW programmed the NOx reduction fix within the engine control volume instead of a large increase in DEF.

    In any case, I still love your Passat TDI! :)

    Wayne
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    It's Over... And the new direction is underway.


    Wayne
     
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  17. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Good info. I almost wish I were in the market soon, I think a stick TDi anything is at peak value proposition now. I’d stretch my budget for one. I like how VWs drive, and their premium-feeling interiors. And bonus points for hatches and wagons.

    By the time my Civic gives up the ghost, though, they’ll be money pits. Me sad! A good diesel would be a friend on my freeway commute.
     
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I know what you mean , jcp123. I have never owned a VW , but the ones I've driven are great , for the exact reasons you stated.
    I might be buying my last car in a year or two , and by the time the VW becomes a money pit , I'll be too old to drive !
    Actually , my biggest concern now is...………. will my knees handle driving a manual trans ? The 8-speed torque-converter automatic
    has stop/start , I think. But I also really miss the control and versatility of the manual.
     
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  19. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    No shame in having an auto if thats where you’re at. You gotta get around somehow...
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Every time I think the last piece of the puzzle has finally been put into place, another lost piece appears... This may actually provide a few $s to our own Mike Sefton while looking back at his own TDI ownership experience.

    A number of emissions class actions were commenced across Canada concerning 2009-2016 Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche vehicles equipped with diesel engines (the "Emissions Claims"). The Emissions Claims were already the subject of two court-approved settlements with Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche (the "2&3L Settlements"), where extensive benefits were made available to owners and lessees of the affected vehicles. A separate action against Robert Bosch GmbH (the "Bosch Action") has been certified and settled, and the settlement (the "Bosch Settlement") was approved by the Ontario Superior Court of Justice on September 22, 2020.

    Who Should Read this Notice?

    The settlement of the Bosch Action affects the rights of Bosch Settlement Class Members. Subject to some exclusions*, you are a Bosch Settlement Class Member if:

    (a) On September 18, 2015, you owned or leased a diesel-powered 2009-2015 VW Jetta, a 2009 VW Jetta Wagon, a 2010-2013 or 2015 VW Golf, a 2012-2015 Passat, a 2010-2014 VW Golf Wagon, a 2015 VW Golf Sportswagon or a 2010-2013 or 2014 Audi A3; or

    (b) On November 2, 2015, you owned or leased a diesel-powered 2014-2016 Audi A6, A7, A8, A8L or Q5, a 2009-2015 Audi Q7, a 2013-2016 Porsche Cayenne or a 2009 to 2016 Volkswagen Touareg.

    For a list of Excluded Persons*, which includes persons who purchased their vehicles in Quebec, visit Bosch Canada Settlement. Excluded Persons are not Bosch Settlement Class Members.

    Bosch Settlement and Payments of Benefits

    The Bosch Settlement resolved the Emissions Claims advanced against Bosch and provides for the all-inclusive payment of CAD $9,270,000 in exchange for a final release of all Emissions Claims of Bosch Settlement Class Members.

    Not all Bosch Settlement Class Members will receive compensation. Payments will only be made to 4 categories of Bosch Settlement Class Members who received certain benefits pursuant to the 2&3L Settlements. Some of the Bosch Settlement Class Members who are eligible to receive benefits will receive direct payments based on earlier information available from the 2&3L Settlements, and may only need to update their contact information and others will have to make a claim for benefits before April 8, 2021.

    *Where Can I Get More Information?

    This is just a summary. For more information, including to view copies of the Settlement Agreement, approved Distribution Plan and a more detailed Approval Notice with additional instructions on who needs to make a claim, who will receive direct benefits, and how to update contact information, as well as contact information for Class Counsel, who are available to assist with any questions or inquiries at no cost to you, please visit Bosch Canada Settlement.

    Wayne
     

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