10th gen Honda Civic to Debut Sept 16

Discussion in 'Honda' started by Jay, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I looked into that with the previous generation Civic ~4 years ago or whenever. Yes, you could order the parts and change the bench-folding seat into a split-folding. For a hefty price, almost as much as stepping up to the EX. The factory gets parts for a lot cheaper than you or even the dealer can buy them.
     
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  2. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I imagine you could still do it - for insurance rebuilds you can buy practically any part of a car you want, for a price. But now it probably requires even more complex disassembly and more new parts than when the base seats were at least bench-folding. Certainly not something I would take on, or pay for. I'll just take my business elsewhere.

    Anyway it's pretty obvious why they structure the trim levels this way, even though it frustrates many of us: it gets people to pay for an upgrade. They'll lose some stubborn people like me, but I'm sure they come out ahead overall. Anyway, they also know that most people who really want folding seats are going for an even bigger and more profitable upgrade: the SUV.

    One of my favorite upselling tricks is that several manufacturers, including Ford, include power locks but not power windows in their base B-class, but power windows and not power locks in their base C-class. Why? I think it's because B-classes are more often sold to young drivers, who use the back doors less than family drivers and may not care as much about the locks, but want the power windows. The C-class cars are somewhat more often sold to families, who aren't about to want to go around locking and unlocking 4 doors manually everytime the kids get in and out of the car. No way would I want to go without PDL as long as I have kids, but I've almost come to the point where I could do without PW. Guess I should buy a base Fiesta?

    Anyway, as nice as it would be to get just the options we WANT and nothing more (which, in fairness, the domestics still let you do to a degree), they make more money if they upsell you to get one feature you really want and a bunch you don't care that much about, and I think most automakers deliberately structure their trim lines to promote this. Of course they promise you you'll get it back at resale (which is partly true, but only partly).

    It's just like cable TV. Everyone has wanted them to switch to an a la carte model forever, and the technology now exists: just give me the handful of stations I actually watch for a lower price, and skip the boatload of crap I don't watch on the other channels! But it's a money loser for the losers in the cable business. They'd much rather keep charging more money for more stuff you don't want.
     
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  3. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Honda's engineering division is shaking off the slumber and really swinging hard at competitors. Meanwhile, marketing is still playing the same old games--stripping entry models of basic features that cost them less than $10 to make so that the buyer has to pay hundreds or thousands more to get them back. Toyota pulls the same BS with the Prius C, stripping it of split fold-down seats and cruise control. I realize it's not possible to make everyone happy, but Honda's packaging thinking seems completely out of touch. Hopefully, they will do better with the hatchbacks.
     
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  4. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Nope. The hatchback will be a small part of the Civic lineup. They will sell it pretty much loaded up. The "base" Civic remains................ a ten-year-old Civic.

    Just my poorly-informed , highly-opinionated guess.
     
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  5. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    /\--That's pretty much what I was thinking. --/\ They just won't sell an "LX" hatch at all, instead starting at EX. Honda giveth, and Honda taketh away...
     
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  6. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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  7. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    I have read the "Honda Sensing" package which includes adaptive cruise control/low speed follow can be added to any trim level for $1,000. That almost makes up for Honda's back seat trim sins.��

    /I've never used ACC, but I want it.
    /Offer me a highway capable hands off lane keep steering device for another $2,000 or so and I'd buy that too.
     
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  8. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I've never used ACC , and I would walk before buying a car equipped with it.

    Ha !
     
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  9. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Now that's just pedestrian thinking right there...
     
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    D'oh ! Good one.
     
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  11. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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  12. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Ha. I guess there's gonna be a little milk spilled along the way to having breakfast with the Jetsons.
     
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  13. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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  14. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Good news: The LX can be had with split folding seats and a manual transmission. As well as some features that I was hoping for such as Android Auto and heated seats.

    The catch: It's the Canadian LX. Also, no real colors are available right now up here. Just various shades of black, grey, and brown.
     
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  15. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I recall that's what Ford did with the most basic Fiesta model. Any color you want, as long as it's black ( or some shade of black).
     
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  16. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the information.
     
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  17. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I took an EX for a quick drive yesterday, it drives pretty nice. Good ride and handling and felt very solid. A few cheap bits like no height-adjustable passenger seat and no leather-wrapped steering wheel. Great rear legroom but headroom felt a bit tight, but then again I am used to hatches where the rear roof doesn't slope down so much. And I'd probably go for the LX to delete the moonroof and gain another inch or so of headroom up front. The standard halogen projector headlights were definitely not on par with the Corolla's LEDs for output or coverage. , Overall a good package though, and I'd seriously consider it if I wanted a sedan. I'm hoping that the hatch will drive similarly and have similar rear legroom, while improving on the front and rear hedroom.
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Mike:

    Thanks!

    Been working the e-mails hard to get into one with no luck yet.

    Wayne
     
  19. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Looks like the Canadian versions include a more basic DX as well as an LX. With the desire for a better equipped 6mt and favorable exchange rate (1 to 1.33) it could be worth it for a "lower 48er" to purchase a Canadian LX.

    From a quick scan of the internets ... it might not be horribly painful to bring it back across the border. I basically have no real info on this.


    Looks like the main equipment advantages would be:
    -- 60/40 rear folding seat
    -- 7" screen
    -- apple car play/ android auto
    -- heated front seats
    -- climate control
    -- 180 watts 8 speakers

    /I'm not sure about any of this as the US configuration pages don't seem to be fully up yet
    /On the Canadian colors, at least taffeta white is available.
     
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  20. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    People might even be able to save some money by doing that. Back when the Canadian dollar was higher, lots of people brought cars back from the USA. One catch is the warranty, some manufacturers don't transfer it across the border. I can't recall whether Honda was one of them or not.
     
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