10th gen Honda Civic to Debut Sept 16

Discussion in 'Honda' started by Jay, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Why The 2016 Honda Civic LX With A Manual Is The Best 2016 Civic
    http://www.carscoops.com/2015/10/why-2016-honda-civic-lx-with-manual-is.html

    /I'm wondering if the 6mt Civic is somewhat the end of "piston purist" transportation evolvment. Seems like every vehicle going forward is going to be turbocharged, hybridized, electrified or hydrogenated. This might be the "lastest" "bestest" example of what ol' Henry Ford would have built if he'd lived to be 152 years old.
     
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  2. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    As far as transmissions go.... I think the CVT's are getting better and a lot of the "wind up" is being programmed out. But all of the modern 6 speed plus automatics suffer from the same "disconnect". Modern automatic transmission incorporate so many computers talking to computers that when you put your foot on the gas it never feels completely predictable or like you are in total control (the same can be said for some turbocharged engines). It is particularly noticeable and perhaps a little fatiguing in heavy traffic where aggressive driving for lane changes is required. When you step on the go pedal you are not assured of a consistent response and that requires more split-second input/attention from you.

    At least Honda is still making the manual transmission an option.
     
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  3. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    If you want the 2.0L, I think the LX is the way to go. But then, you have to take a hard look at the Mazda3 2.0L. Tough call between the two.
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay:

    The new 17 Elantra with ~ the same interior volume as the new Civic and a 43 mpg highway rating is just around the corner.

    The Mazda3 is certainly a contender but its rear seat head room is lacking compared to the Elantra and possibly the Civic. I was only in the Civics rear seat for a minute at most. :(

    Wayne
     
  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Wayne, the 2016 Elantra 2.0 6MT is epa rated at 34 mpg highway. Hyundai is going to step up by 9 mpg on the highway cycle to overtake the civic's 40?

    /I've thought about Mazda, but I think their steady state mpgs don't come in as well (compared to Honda) vs the EPA IIRC. I haven't driven one, but most reviewers seem to think the driving dynamics are about the best around -- which certainly counts for something.
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    Read the Members only forum for more detail on the 2017 Elantra. Full release will occur at next months LAAS Press Days.

    Wayne
     
  7. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Wayne, was that a Mazda3 sedan or hatchback? I expect the hatch has better rear headroom, and I wouldn't buy anything but a hatch. Which unfortunately means the Civic is out unless/until they bring the hatchback over here.
     
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  8. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the heads-up about the Elantra, Wayne. I'll keep an eye out for it.
     
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  9. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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  10. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Wtfff. They better give us a manual hatchback, with folding rear seats.
     
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  11. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    That's absurd. I consider folding rear seats to be a basic feature of a sedan. Honda shouldn't be asking people to fork over all that extra $$$$ for features they may not want in order to get something so fundamental.
     
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  12. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    That's the Honda way.
     
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  13. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Manual transmission OR folding seats? Nope. I will not buy one. I drove a Civic for a over decade and won't even consider this one now.
     
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  14. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Variation on the same problem with the Civic for a long time: must buy the EX to get split-folding rear seats. But now the LX seats don't even bench-fold?? And the EX is auto only? Just made a bad choice impossible.

    If I were to ever buy another sedan, this would be a MANDATORY feature for me. Not being able to carry a kid and something long (bikes/skis/lumber) at the same time is an absolute fail. Fortunately most competitors do include split-folding seats as standard equipment.

    Also fortunately, the HR-V is out, gets half-decent mileage, and has a reasonable price tag for the MT to boot. Only Honda I could consider driving at this point. I really want to like the Fit, but the frontal blind spots are unacceptable. When my wife test drove one, she almost hit a semi that was RIGHT IN FRONT OF US because she COULD NOT SEE it. I rented a Fit again last week, and was reminded of why I would never buy one.
     
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  15. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Just another one in the long list of infuriating package deals the automakers offer. You want X? Then you have to get Y, which you don't need, and Z which you specifically don't want.
     
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  16. No Static At All

    No Static At All Active Member

    Would love to know the reasoning behind these decisions. Can't believe they don't realize these are deal breakers for so many potential buyers.
     
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  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    You think the Fit is bad ? Try the Prius liftback. It's horrible , but you get used to it.
     
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  18. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Blind spots. Yes it's not great. They could have made it better. I manage to deal with it ok, with only some occasional head-shifting for left turns.

    The problem is they made the Fit's A-pillar wide instead of deep, so it's flat across my view. They could have made it just as big and strong by rotating the flat and thin dimensions 90° and opened up a bunch of space.
     
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  19. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    If I pay less for a lower-trim car, I expect it to be less fancy. I might expect it to be less fast. I don't expect it to be less useful.

    I understand what they're doing. They want to sell the higher versions because they make more money on them. They position the packages so people will want to upgrade. They're not in business to suit me and my needs, and I should expect that.

    But come on! All the parts are there, just put them together in a different combination.
     
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  20. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I wonder if that is something the owner of the base version can do , using parts available from Honda. Even though I'm too mechanically retarded to do so myself , lots of other folks could do that. But if your rear seat is one piece........... do you have a chainsaw ?

    Honda isn't the only one who does that. But it is still irritating. That's one reason why I bought a Buick (once). I was able to order exactly the options I wanted , and nothing I didn't want.
     
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