2016 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid First Drive Review

Discussion in 'Hyundai' started by xcel, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    My sister enjoy's her 2016 SE Sonata Hybrid. She's had it about a year now and has not taken a single road trip (!), so I can't speak to hgwy fuel economy, but she can get 50mpg in town in the summer fairly consistently. That figure drops markedly in the winter. The car is much too big and heavy for my taste but the build quality is stellar. She's had zero trouble with it, but if she did have trouble there's lots of room around the engine to work. That car is almost silent in EV mode.
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Today's "Hat of the Day" belongs to ‪#‎Hyundai‬ and their fantastic ‪#‎Sonata‬ ‪#‎Hybrid‬ from the Hyundai of Gurnee dealership.

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    While there are competitors, I have yet to drive a 17 VW Passat TDI hopefully, 17 Fusion Hybrid, 17 Accord Hybrid, and 16 Malibu Hybrid, today the most comfortable and efficient cruiser belongs clearly in the Sonata Hybrid camp. I have to give it back at 04:00 am tomorrow so am enjoying the last few hours with it the best way I know how.
    Running last minute errands for my parents and cruising the boulevards in efficient comfort.

    ‪#‎efficient‬ ‪#‎long‬ ‪#‎distance‬ ‪#‎traveler‬ ‪#‎CleanMPG‬
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    03:00 am in the Windy City with the 16 ‪#‎Hyundai‬ ‪#‎Sonata‬ ‪#‎Hybrid‬.

    I am going to miss the Midwest, the Sonata Hybrid, my pup, and most of all my parents.

    I hope to get back again very soon...

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    ‪#‎efficient‬ ‪#‎long‬ ‪#‎distance‬ ‪#‎traveler‬ ‪#‎CleanMPG‬
     
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  4. fishnrib

    fishnrib Christian

    Hi Wayne,
    Have you forgotten to give us the results of your mpg with the 2016 HSH completed 2 months ago?
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Marian went shopping last night. What she bought however would not fit into the back of the MDX so she drove it home instead. ;)

    2017 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited

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    After over 18-months of wrangling and she finally decided…

    As some here know, the CX-5 has been high on her list since I first drove one way back in 2014. When the 17 refresh came out, she felt it lost its luster with the overbearing inset grille. She also had more than just a sit down in one and said the latest interior appointments felt a bit cold vs. the 16. We already know the efficiency and emissions were going to fall short of my expectations and there is little discounting so maybe this was a blessing in disguise.

    2017 Mazda CX-5

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    From the floor of the LA Auto Show this past November.​

    Next up came the stunning and just refreshed 2017 Rogue. Her favorite interior of all choices thanks in part to the softest foam under the leather appointed seats you can buy. In addition, it includes a very well thought out refresh of the exterior face and F&R fascias, plus interior and door inserts. Where it fell short was the infotainment - audio and NAVI were to far behind - and again the efficiency.

    2017 Nissan Rogue SL AWD Hybrid

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    A great interior form, function and appearance but only a so so infotainment system.​

    The next one was kind of a last minute addition as she still wanted the utility of a CUV but not the shortfalls of the other two. The brow DRL LEDs really give the Tucson a new look and pricing was certainly inits favor with an easy $5k off just about anywhere we wanted to shop. Since I have never driven the ECO variant however, I only had the 1.6L Limited to base to judge its efficiency capability on. Segment competitive for sure but 30 mpg for Marian's back and forth commute was still on the low side. If only it had received the 16/17 Sonata Hybrid drivetrain? :(

    2017 Hyundai Tucson

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    LED DRL Headlamp layout. A darn sharp looking feature included as part of a really competitive package.​

    And of course the Guinness World Record Setting 2017 Kia Niro. She has ridden/driven the LX trim and even visited the local Kia dealership with a static Niro Touring trim twice since the GWR was set. The low consumption and emissions were perfect, the rumored under $25k starting point for the LX trim was also a good start. Her feelings were it was a bit small side to side, the leather was a bit to stiff for her tastes, and she all but demanded a full Panoramic roof which is not available on the Niro. Its real demise however was the need to get a new vehicle just after the New Year. She had promised the MDX to our Grandson when he receives his license. That occurred today in fact leaving the Niro and the Hyundai Ioniq sibling short of the cut.

    2017 Kia Niro Touring

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    What about the 2017 Hyundai Sonata Plug-In? Remember her desire for a full panoramic powered sunroof? That feature is not offered with the PHEV-27. The small trunk also set it back in her eyes.

    2016/2017 Hyundai Sonata PHEV-27

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    The 9.9 cu.ft. trunk was not enough and no panoramic roof was its downfall in Marian's eyes.​

    How about the refreshed 2016/2017 Honda Accord Hybrid? It certainly met the efficiency and emissions targets. She received about 47 mpg on her std. RT work commute when we had it last spring which was excellent imho. Her take was the leather felt cold and was a bit too hard, no knob infotainment control was a non-starter, the RCC was to erratic, no panoramic roof offering, and the price was a bit aggressive to the high side. Not so much MSRP maybe but the OTD pricing as the local Honda dealer did not want to budge but $2,500 off sticker.

    2017 Honda Accord Hybrid

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    A lot of good but its the small stuff that knocked it out of contention.​

    On the value front, I wanted her to consider the 2017 Hyundai Elantra ECO. The 1.6L-T mated to that fast shifting 7-speed DCT was not only the highest efficiency non-hybrid/non-diesel w/ an AT we have driven but finding them for < $17k was as easy as driving to any Hyundai dealership that had them on their lot. Marian was achieving 47 mpg on her RT work commute. Far above its diminutive 32/40 mpg rating mind you... When driving the less efficient Limited this past summer and shopping it over the past two weeks, her take was no-way on the ECO. There was simply not enough equipment for her tastes despite the great value proposition. She did not like the cloth, lack of any sun roof canceled it before we really even started, and its rear seat knee and leg room felt small to her. Meaning the Elantra Limited with its std. powered roof was also out of contention. This was saddening to me as the fully loaded with everything 2017 Elantra's were going out the door for just over $20k with $7k on the hood locally.

    2017 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    This or the Eco trim did not make the cut despite the superior value.​

    And what about the 2016 Honda Civic Sedan?

    There is a lot to be said for its styling. Even Marian liked it and that is not her forte. The efficiency was decent as she was achieving low to mid 40s in the Touring trim sedan w/ the 1.5T on her RT work commute. That was acceptable to me too. Where it fell apart was no knobs to control anything and the rough RCC action. Pricing was a bit steep as discounts are available but nothing compared to the Hyundai lineup.

    2017 Honda Civic Touring Sedan

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    Easily the best looking affordable sedan imho with power and efficiency in abundance.​

    There was a lot of argument about the new Mini Cooper mixed in. She wanted it for the panache yet all this time she was also talking how she wanted the utility of her MDX… I do not have much hair and what little I do was being pulled out strand by strand with that kind of talk. I showed her a J.D. Power IQS survey and that discussion was finally closed. I am sure I will hear about it again before the week is out though???

    All of the above brought discussion back to the 16/17 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid. Some may remember I was searching for a 2016 with the Panoramic roof last Christmas – 2015 – and again in mid to late summer of 2016. The Limited with the Pano roofs were far and few between. I found a white one with gray interior and the roof in Albuquerque! They would only come down $4k when locally $6 to $8k was on the hood so that was out.

    A local Hyundai dealer in Temecula mysteriously received an allotment of 10 or so of them a few months back. The online advertised pricing was right, the Limited with the Ultimate pkg. was right, and just before I hung up the phone to head over, I asked about the miles. It was a good thing as I discovered all of them were program cars. Meaning marketing mules and each had between 1,200 and 5,000 miles. WTF, advertising a car new with that many miles? Immediately after the disclosure, the sales manager is telling me the full warranty is still intact as these were never owned by anyone other than the manufacturer blah blah blah. The more I heard the hotter I got. It was simply deceptive advertising in no uncertain terms.

    2106 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited

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    Along the shores of Lake Michigan at dawn welcoming the new day about to unfold...​

    But that was then, and this is now. On December 30th when the promise of the MDX giveaway once a license was received was announced, I was told find one now. Oh dear, here we go again… Of course there was no way to take advantage of the $500 BoostUp program since that ended on Jan.2nd and the Holiday discounts that were being promoted all over Southern Calif. had all but disappeared. I could almost feel a good old fashion fleecing was about to occur. Two local area dealers and one about 45 miles away had a number of full boat Limited’s with the Ultimate package – meaning panoramic roofs and all the fixings, and there were even some color choices! Marian always wanted a white exterior with gray interior. The first and closest store visit yielded a change to the beige interior!!! I am thinking this is going to be a total bust as next thing we will be looking at a V8 equipped Pickup truck or some other crazy spur of the moment want!!!

    2016 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited

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    Where do you want to drive efficiently today? How about downtown Chicago to start.​

    Fortunately that did not happen and with two store visits, the $35,650 list 2017 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid with 14 miles on its clock was signed off at $29,475 + TTL + (2) $50 Amazon gift cards for coming into the dealership to test drive a car. 2-hours later she is driving her new car home and I am online searching for OEM or non-OEM all-weather mats. WeatherTech received $160 for $260 worth of their own front, rears and cargo mats on Amazon. My next hurdle is where am I going to store the OEM carpeted mats now?
     
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  6. sarcheer

    sarcheer New Member

    I'm curious, what happened to the steady state data? I have a '16 Sonata hybrid and was really looking for this kind of info.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Sarcheer:

    The SoC swing is just to high for an accurate curve. :(

    Wayne
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I am in IL and Marian is not keeping up with requests. First fill in Southern Calif. indicated 39.8 mpg or about 38.5 mpg actual. Raining like crazy so maybe that hurt?

    Wayne
     
  9. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    38.5mpg from a full size car with every option except a power lemon-zester is pretty impressive. The rain is a definite penalty as we all know, and that makes that first fill quite result good in that context.
     
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Just in case I need one , which car DOES offer that power lemon-zester ? I need more useful doo-dads like that.
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I received this text this morning.
    This evening she filled up for the second time. 605 miles at 40.0 mpg displayed. Approximately 39.4 mpg actual.

    I asked her about weather. It has rained almost every day for the past two weeks. I had her check tire pressure. 29/31/30/32. I will fix that when I get back home. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    As described above, we purchased the 2017 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited with the Tech pkg., mats, bumper applique, etc. listed at $35,650 retail for $29,475 + TTL.

    I originally asked for a Costco quote from any of local San Diego Hyundai dealerships. That service created a quote for a Sonata Hybrid Limited with the tech pkg. retailing at $35,610 MSRP incl. D&H at Kearney Mesa Hyundai for $30,118 + TTL.

    Tonight I wanted to compare to what Cars.com was offering via e-mail quote through our California zip code. The reply was $35,605 MSRP incl. D&H from North County Hyundai - $30,132 + TTL.

    What does this say? Do not use the car buying services unless $700+ USD in your pocket is not worth an hour of negotiation.

    I might do the same with KBB and Edmunds before the week is out to compare their quote results?

    Wayne
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Marian sent this pic of her third fill this morning.

    2017 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited

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    38/43/40 mpg rating and she is at just over 38 mpg through the first three tanks.​

    Wayne
     
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  14. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    What percentage of city/highway, and did you ever add air to tires to bump up pressure?
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Thunderstruck:

    I am still in Northern IL but my son did go over and press them up to 38 all around. City/highway would be hard to deduce as the hills of San Diego are a PIA and she commutes to and from during rush hour. San Diego traffic sucks but she does not have the cold temps that we have to deal with around here. At least she cracked 40 mpg this time around.

    Wayne
     
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    A quick update...

    Marian's first tank was just 39.x and she has filled a number of times since while I was out of Calif. with displays ranging from 40.0 to 43.1. Her current display with just under a half a tank.

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    41.7 mpg indicated - 41.0 mpg actual.​

    All in, it appears she is settling in on just over the EPA combined of 40 mpg from the 38/43/40 mpgUS city/highway/combined rated Sonata Hybrid Limited.

    Wayne
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2017 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid was awarded class-leading performance and value by Automotive Science Group (ASG), earning their “Best All-Around Performance” for full sized cars besting 106 other models.

    The 2017 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid earned the Automotive Science Group’s (ASG) Best All-Around Performance Award and best in class selection for 2017. In areas of environmental, social and economic performance, the three fundamentals of ASGʼs annual data-driven Automotive Performance Index (API) Study, the Sonata Hybrid led the competitive class comprised of 106 Full-Size cars for model year 2017. ASG stated the Sonata Hybrid was the best all-around value selection, with environmental, social and economic considerations.

    The top 5 in this category included the aforementioned 2017 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid, the 2017 Hyundai Sonata PHEV, 2017 Hyundai Sonata, 2017 Kia Optima PHEV, and 2017 Kia Optima Hybrid.

    ASG’s annual study applies statistical methods to demonstrate each vehicle rating in relative comparison. The vehicle that performs highest in any performance area, in a given class, obtains a rating score of 100 in that specific performance area (Economic, Social, Environmental and All-Around Performance). Each vehicle is then compared relative to the top-performing vehicle in its class, with a rating score reflecting the statistical difference in performance outcomes. For example, a rating of 95 translates to a 5 percent performance deficit as compared to the top-performing vehicle in class.

    Wayne
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    She's doing a little better in her 38/43 city/highway rated 17 Sonata Hybrid Limited...

    Last tank was at 46.9 or 46.1 mpg actual. I had about 100 miles of that skewing that tanks average upwards.

    I drove this tank about 20 miles and only added about .4 to the tally this morning.

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    Wayne
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    After selling the 18 Elantra ECO and winding down my private rides in the 17 Sonata Hybrid Limited trim, the big girl still proves she has an A-Game. My first Kilo-Tank in 2 years since the rideshare study began while completing 2 San Diego to LAX RT runs and 4 San Diego airport RT runs plus hundreds of miles or Marian and I doing our std. errand stuff. She would drive it down and I would drive it back up again. ;)

    In any case, with new 17" OEM tires - $403 from Discount Tire, I drove her down to just 18 miles DTE before refueling at a Costco in San Diego. The actual miles is 1.2 percent higher than indicated. 50.8 mpg indicated was 51.9 mpg actual top off to top off. These Sonata Hybrids hold a lot of fuel!

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    Wayne
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    With just 44k miles on the clock, the first major failure on the 17 Sonata Hybrid Limited occurred last week. The big Hybrid Starter Generator (HSG) began to make a lot of noise and lit up the dash with an HEV and CEL MILs. The dealership is trying to source parts but it could be another week. :(

    It is under warranty of course but I have no idea what an HSG would cost if it was out of warranty? This is not your ordinary $150 100-amp peak non-continuous use alternator but I would guess a 200 to 400 AMP at 12V or 3 kW continuous use Starter/Generator. I hope to see the details once repaired after Thanksgiving.

    Wayne
     
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