CleanMPGs new Toshiba Satellite C55-B5200 Laptop

Discussion in 'Website news & discussions' started by xcel, Sep 1, 2014.

  1. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    My laptop that died had the first generation quad core i7 processor. I've been spoiled, and won't buy another laptop without a quad core now. I'm borrowing an old laptop from my aunt until I can afford it.
  2. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    $299.99 is a great price.
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:

    I thought it was a pretty good deal after comparing to other more expensive laptops. Most at this price point were previous gen Intel chips, 500 MB HDs, 4 MB of RAM, no Bluetooth, and/or no built in web cams.

    Been on this new laptop for about two hours now and Windows 8.1 kinda sucks. Think I am going to move back to Windows 7 at my earliest convenience.

    I used to follow this kind of thing really close but not any more. Tiles? This is a laptop/desktop, not a smartphone!!!

    Hate to install a shell for the reasons pointed out above but am not liking the tiles and no start menu leaves me with the Taskbar alone.

  4. DaveJ

    DaveJ Well-Known Member

    I don't remember how I did it,(on one of the settings menus) but you can start-up or switch to a traditional desktop look at any time and put all your shortcuts on the desktop. Prob. if you google it it will tell you how.That 3rd key from bottom left that looks like 4 windows on you laptop changes mine back and forth.
    I never use the tiles page and I did not have to install any 3rd party program.
    HTH a little.

  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dave:

    Will look into that. I can place all I need on the clean desktop but I like to keep that empty with a few folders. I guess not anymore. Spoke with Marian this morning and said I might be downgrading this one so I can keep my productivity up. Never would have thought a missing Start Button with menus behind vs Tiles with menus from a right click would have me considering Format C:/ of a Microsoft product.

    Came preloaded with Norton Internet Security which is a great product in my past experience but I suspect its a trial. I have not found that MS has Security Essentials available for this yet but will look into both this morning.

    Last edited: Sep 2, 2014
  6. DaveJ

    DaveJ Well-Known Member

    I use Norton Internet Security with good results on both our laptops.
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dave:

    Ueed it for over a decade until MS Security Essentials arrived for free.

    Might have a problem downgrading as MS Product keys are built in the BIOS. Watched a vid to disable the UEFI and Vrit-x something to boot from the CD/DVD and install clean from that. Still a few (4) partitions of Win 8.1 and recovery stuff underneath on this Toshiba Laptop.

    Why does MS have to make it so hard. Might dual boot instead?

  8. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Wayne,

    I was never thrilled with Norton Anti virus software. I went to Trend Micro after the recommendation of a computer repair tech I knew. He spent too many hours debugging customers computers that had baddies that got past the Symantec anti-virus. He absolutely despised Symantec antivirus.

    After about five years of using Trend Micro I have never had a virus or malware problem, knock on wood. :)

    Problem is I'm all over the net and I can't afford to have cheap computer security software on my machine. That is another reason why I use a VPN with a rotating IP address.

  9. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    CPU cycles are cheap these days. Go ahead and install that shell. The other interface with the tiles is also a shell, you're just swapping one for the other. It's worth it for the usability.

    Or to put it another way, how many idle cpu cycles are you spending just hunting for things that should be right there?
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Andrew:

    Thanks and will do.

    Installing Office 2013 now.

  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    MS Office 2013, ACDSee 6.x, and Cyberlink Power Director 11.0x is in. Installing Rich's Classic Shell link now.

  12. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Wayne, $299 sounds like a great deal. Congrats for the acquisition and the
    requisite 'setting-it-up-the-way-you-like-it' part. Hopefully, it's sort of fun
    for you.

    I agree with Andrew that cpu cycles are cheap these days, especially when
    there are multiple cpu cores involved. A couple years ago, I3 was dual core
    plus hyperthreading, right? I haven't kept up with the Intel road map since.
    I see new and inexpensive Atom "quad core" tablets and transformer type
    PCs. I wonder if that's dual core plus hyperthreading, too, rather than true
    quad core? And all the high-end smart phones are quad core, though
    probably not comparable to the I5/I7/A6/A8s out there. I think people are
    fortunate to be living in such rich, technology times.

    I'm mostly done with Windows, but I may have to dive back in again sometime.
    It's just not going away it seems. I have a Windows XP desktop at work;
    unsupported by Microsoft but the company doesn't seem to care. I run
    Ubuntu for my own workhorse PC (notebook) at home. The wife still runs
    Windows 7 and just got a machine upgrade to replace her prior aging netbook.
    The new one's more of a desktop replacement and still manages to be
    transportable. The cpu is an AMD A8 though, so quite snappy with room
    to grow. She runs her old software such as Photoshop and Dreamweaver on
    it. I took over her 10? year old Toshiba Celeron 1.4GHz notebook with
    Windows XP as my Windows machine for legacy applications and non-Linux
    software. Right now, that's only Toyota diagnostics to program the PIP's TPMS
    and Garmin map/GPS updater. And of course, there's Android for everything
    else in daily life.

    Apple products are not a consideration for me (too expensive), but the wife
    has her iPhone for real estate related apps, allegedly. :) Fortunately, she has
    not been eyeing the iPad or other higher-end products and seems satisfied
    with her Toshiba tablet. MacOS has a UNIX core, though, doesn't it? That makes
    Apple's OS okay with me, just too expensive!

    Antivirus software is still quite necessary, unfortunately, for the Windows
    machines. It may be needed, too, for Android, Linux, MacOS, etc. but just
    less often targeted. Recent news of the massive web site hacks has made
    me a bit of a fatalist; I just hope they go after the wealthier folk first. :)


    p.s. I used to run NAV (norton) as we had a corporate
    license and were encouraged to use it everywhere! I
    never had any problems. That's not to say it was perfect,
    and any antivirus product can have flaws at any point in
    time. The best protection is still the wary user...
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2014
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Sounds like you are on top of it.

    The Motorola smartphone data and voice contract ran out this afternoon so having the new laptop already setup makes all the difference as I trekked over to a McDonalds to get some more sales reports out.

    While the laptop has all that I need, the McDonalds Wi-Fi is fubar with a 900 ms ping time, .09 Mbps upload and 0.13 Mbps upload. That's a bit less than twice dial-up IIRC with a ping time closer to two decades ago than anything like today's std. Wi-Fi everywhere else.


    Asked the manager to reset the Router and he knew nothing about it. :(

    Have to find a different McDonalds or head to the library tomorrow I guess...

  14. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    >> Asked the manager to reset the Router and he knew nothing about it.

    Not too surprising... I'm usually disappointed with the free wifi hotspots
    so I don't use them very often. For my limited data needs, the 2 GB/month
    shared data on our cell data plan is more than enough for 2 of us, and she
    uses 10x what I use. We still come in under 50% *always*. The free wifi
    at work is excellent, though. Not kidding, it's provided for our patients and

    For backup, I signed up for the free 500 MB/month data from FP. It's on a 4G
    network, but seems very limited in my area which is mostly served by my
    regular carrier, V_W. FP's network is Sp__nt's, I believe. So far, it works best
    at my home, not on the road where I need it. :( Worth checking out similar
    services perhaps? Cost of entry was about $20 for a refurbished wifi mobile
    hotspot device. I have 2 and 2 accts, so 1 GB/month total free, plus you get
    some amount extra (for both parties) for referring someone, so actually about
    1.1 GB/month. Anyone want a referral and extra data? ;)

  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Not in my roundhouse but sounds pretty cool nonetheless.

    My day at a second McDonald's. Wi-Fi is about 3Xs faster but 3X0 still = 0. :(


    Why did this have to happen when I have GBs of data to move into a new laptop. :(

  16. RichXKU

    RichXKU Well-Known Member

    Ouch! Why not pick up one of those Virgin Mobile pre-paid hotspots?

    Hopefully Classic Shell works for you. I feel 8.1 + Classic Shell is faster than Win 7 alone.
  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Rich:

    The Win 8.1 with the Win 7 shell you linked saved this OS. That whole Win 8.x tile thing MS came up with was and is garbage as Chris alluded to in his post above.

    Have an off-contract Verizon 3G Wi-Fi Hot Spot I might bring back to life but nothing is free. Setting up to pick up a 4G LTE smartphone with incl. Wi-Fi Hot Spot/tethering and set it up on a really good T-Mobile business deal. If the bandwidth and signal are solid here in my area that is?

    Smartphones and Plans...

    About to disconnect and head over to my parents solid UVerse 15 Mbps connection to get this done in an hour instead of days like it is going now. :(

  18. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    T-Mobile is getting better, bit I wouldn't expect it to work outside well populated areas.
  19. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    re: free mobile hotspot

    I hear you, Wayne. It isn't an optimal solution when direct 4G on the
    smart phone works so well. What I have now is an in-car 4G hotspot
    (when it works). I found one place that works well today. I was charging
    at a local Chilis (ChargePoint location sponsored by National Grid power
    company) and there's Chili's free wifi, but the signal's week and usually
    slow. The FP hotspot got a good 4G signal so I was in business. I checked
    my usage a short while ago and found that the 500 MB/month rolls over!
    I signed up 3 months ago so I have close to 1.5 GB available now on that
    one device. Should be a comparable amount on the other device. One
    other benefit I just realized is that one can set up stronger wifi protection
    on this hotspot rather than using an open system at a free hotspot location
    like McD's or Starbucks.

    I'm trying to wean myself off these contract cell phone plans, and when
    my current contract runs out, I'll be shopping as you are in the other/new
    thread. The "FP" company also does free phone service for those who
    can use limited talk and text, but they also have monthly plans for quite
    reasonable rates. Sorry, I'm starting to sound like a commercial. I'll stop

  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay:

    There are a number of areas where Verizon fell off the grid during the 48-state drives and especially on the AMTRAK from Calif. to IL. I suspect T-Mobile is far worse out west but the contract for the same bandwidth is over double. Still not sure it will work at home but will sort that out over the next few weeks.

    Bill, thanks for the detail as usual.

    I think this build is finished. Took 2-hours on a fast access to synch up multiple GBs of Gmail and Outlook e-mail late last night.

    One of my key programs, an older version of ACDSee 7.0.x from the late 2000s, would not install on Win 8.x with an Insufficient Rights dialog box. Tried some reg and permission changes that did not work. Finally created an Admin account, installed it as an admin, and removed the Admin access afterwards. Then installed the newer 6.x version alongside. Who would have thought that would have taken over 4-hours??? :(


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