2014 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel Heads West

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Aug 15, 2014.

  1. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Nice job!!!

    There is a good chance that the first manufacturer to offer a diesel midsize truck here is going to get my money.
     
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    With all that I learned over the previous 2,300 + miles in the 2014 RAM 1500 with the 3.0L EcoDiesel, the bed load removed, the interior storage removed, and just me and my back pack, let’s see what she can really do when let loose. ;)

    I reset the aFCD about 100’ below Marian’s apartment complex (150’ ASL) just before entering the I5 to help even out the elevation delta from San Diego to Long Beach (50’ ASL).

    Along the way, I ran into a std. stop and crawl due to a 3-car accident ahead. Fortunately it was only about a mile long and once past, traffic progressed albeit slowly. This is the infamous 405 after all.

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    A typical day on the 405.​

    I arrived at ESI (Event Solutions), Chrysler’s Press Fleet handlers in Southern California, to swap out of the 2014 RAM 1500 Tradesman with the 3.0L EcoDiesel into a 2014 RAM 3500 Big Horn 4X4 with the 6.7L Cummins parked directly behind in the pic below.

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    ESI in Long Beach, California.​

    And the last drives final result?

    If you look at the aFCD pic, the 2014 RAM 1500 with the 3.0L EcoDiesel saved the best for last. As in it will put some Prius drivers to shame!

    2014 RAM 1500 with the 3.0L EcoDiesel

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    49.1 mpg over 87.0 miles or 49.5 mpg over 87.8 miles actual distance with a 54 mph avg. speed.​

    I was not expecting this level of efficiency from a full sized pickup for at least another generation so it is up to Ford and GM to move the bar. Doubtful they will catch 2014 RAMs 3.0L EcoDiesel for at least a generation given its Prius matching results provided yesterday.

    And with this final drive, it's a wrap.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2014
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Mike:

    I can see you driving one of those. ;)

    Wayne
     
  4. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member


    WOW
    JUST WOW!!
    6 months ago I would call anyone who claimed 41mpg in a 1/2 ton-at close to 70 mph
    a LYING SOB
    Now its running mate-the 3.6-a real world beater-would get maybe 27 mpg same speed same route-right?
    41 MPG with a TRUE 1/2 TON vehicle is EASILY the most impressive real world FE demonstration we have ever heard of.

    That ROUTE Amarillo to flagstaff we have done maybe 10 times round trip since 2000.
    Most recently two trips in the primitive-but very reliable and owner proof 1998 suburban (226,000 miles-last 31,000 and 7 years ours miles)
    Suburban 21.5mpg E W 22.5MPG W-E
    NOLA-FLAG-NOLO 3020 miles round trip (two trips) 21.2 21.3 mpg actual driving speed average about 60 mph-interstate average driving speed about 67mph(ponderous vehicle feels "unhappy" at over 70 mph

    Wayne-it would get EVEN better W-E- probably 2mpg better-
    all our vehicles got 5-9% better W-E than E-W in the summer
    Some of it is altitude gain-some prevailing winds I think.
    That 41 mpg E>W Amarillo Flag leg would be 43mpg W>
    Your tank was 800 miles-so it started well before Amarillo

    40 mpg highway speeds 1/2 ton-who would have thought
    AND who would have thought it would be DODGE/CHRYSLER/RAM
    an all but dead corporation in 2008.
    Bush and Obama had a hand in the auto bailout-
    and it sure looks GOOD to me-all those jobs
    and the GREAT products-especially from RAM

    HURRAY FOR FIAT
    Who would have thought poor FIAT would save DODGE!!(Love the Fiat commercials)
    Yeah remind me to thank Fiat-and spit on MB( who did ZILCH for Chrysler)
    all that vaunted Turbo diesel technology at MB and they pissed all over Dodge(except for the 5 and 6 cyl TD Sprinter-but this truck would KILL a Sprinter)
    I will Buy Italian when I get a chance-not German(Campagnola(sic) bike parts Beretta etc
    Love Dodge/Mopar-love that they came back from the near dead to make THE BEST $$ for $$ 1/2 tons

    LOVE THOSE PICTURES WAYNE!!

    PS Just kidding about the steel wheels-yeah I'm a cheapskate also
    so steel wheels are are just fine(cost maybe 11 lbs a piece over forged aluminum and 5 lbs each over usual OEM cast aluminum(weighed my 17" titan steel wheels-and their cast counterparts and the Centerline forged aluminum alloy rims I replaced both with
    31 steel 25.5 cast aluminum alloy 20.5lbs forged aluminum alloy
    For MAX city FE the forged wheels would be a nice touch
    You couldn't actually measure the FE difference-but with FE and performance nuts-it doesn't matter.
     
  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    So on a standard day, no wind, sea level, 70 mph steady state .... we're talking what.....

    35 mpg?

    /hard to believe it'd be that much over EPA highway, even for a diesel.
     
  6. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Wow...I say it raises the bar not just for pickups but ALL vehicles. Puts the 48mpg Audi's to shame as well. Chrysler will find a lot of buyers, methinks.
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Charlie:

    I mentioned to RAM early on about a West to East Coast drive for exactly the reasons you pointed out. ;)

    Carcus, the std. cab Tradesman 2X with the 3.0L EcoDiesel is probably worth 33 to 37 mpg at 70 mph at sea level. The tonneau cover may have added another .5 to .75 mpg as a guess too?

    Some reviewers have pulled 30 from loaded up RAM 4X4s with the EcoDiesel. We hit 38.2 in a fully loaded 4x4 Laramie Limited a few months back as well.

    James, the Audi's can best the RAM but they are not pickups of course.

    This RAM and the EcoDiesel was just impressive and I am sure both Ford and GM have already purchased one. And are pulling its drivetrain apart piece by piece to find ways to best it without going to a Turbo Diesel in their 1/2 tons.

    GM will surely be targeting the RAM EcoDiesel with their Colorado/Canyon twins equipped with the 2.8L Duramax in 2016 but they are not full sized pickup trucks and they will have to spread the 6-speed ATs ratios to catch this RAM.

    What is even more noteworthy is this is no SFE equipped 1/2 ton. Some Forged Alloys, low RRc Goodyear Assurance FuelMax tires, the body lowered by 3 to 4 inches, a 10" flexible smooth front skirt integrated and hanging down from the front fascia, tire spats at all 4 corners, multiple under body panels, and the 3.21 rear end would probably add another 3 mpg! Some engine, emissions, and 8-speed AT tuning would be needed to match the taller rear end but the package would be ridiculously efficient for a Foreman LD work truck.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2014
  8. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Yeah the Audis beat it outright. But considering the Ram's handicaps, I'd argue they didn't beat it enough...

    Is this another VM Motori job under the hood?
     
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi James:

    Good point.

    It is a VM Motori 3.0L V6 under the hood.

    Wayne
     
  10. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    From what I read the Duramax 2.8L is a VM Motori design too, from right before GM sold them to Fiatsler.
     
  11. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the "aero" isn't the (secondary to diesel, of course) untold story here. Compared to my f-150 (regular cab, 8' bed as well) the Ram looks lower and more level. A lot less room for air to tumble underneath and in the wheel wells I suspect. On my pickup the tennaeu is worth over 5% increase in mpg at highway speeds.
     
  12. covered vs uncovered bed always differed by at least 2-3 mpg in my truck
     
  13. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    That looks right to me. Seems like they configured it as a traditional pickup instead of a monster truck wannabe. I bet loading/unloading the box is more practical too.
     
  14. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    The front air dam on the Ram is hanging way down there. ... Maybe 5" ground clearance?
     
  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    To get into the EcoDiesel, Marian, Mark, and Scott had to use the hand hold to hoist themselves in. It was way up there without steps.

    Carcus, I believe there was more than 5" of ground clearance to the front air dam but I did not measure it. Will drive to a RAM dealer out here in Calif. maybe later today to do some measurements.

    Rich, the tailgate height seemed very tall as was the seating position. Will do some measurements on that as well.

    James, 2 to 3 mpg is huge and it sure makes sense given the exceptional higher speed results. Lower speeds stuff, not so much.

    Like most non-hybrid vehicles, get them onto surface streets or short commutes in the city/suburbs with all of the stop and go and all of the WOW factor goes away quickly. I was careful to avoid superfluous stops knowing the payback was going to hurt. Performed a number of them but I could see a .2 to .3 mpg knick even with hundreds of miles on the truck.

    Wayne
     
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Something else some may find interesting. The base P265/70R17 Goodyear Wranglers were door placard spec'ed at 40 psi all around. I was running 44 all around am am seeing an uptick in tire pressures on a number of makes and models nowadays for improved FE.

    Wayne
     
  17. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Wayne, have to say the economy you managed with the truck are outrageously impressive. You're inching up on what I can get in my Passat. Are you going to do a write up on what kind of numbers you get from the 6.7 CTD?
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Nathan:

    The calibration drive for the 2014 RAM 3500 HD w/ the 6.7L Cummins TD came in at 31.8 mpg but I am moving from an apt. to a home this weekend and may not be able to get it up until Monday?

    Wayne
     
  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    WOW
    35 MPG 1/2 TON 70 mph!!
    Factoring in the diesel fuel premium
    It is roughly equivalent to 30 mpg on 87 octane.

    Wayne The 3.6 Ram-is a 25 mpg vehicle at 70 mph ?
    And the ECO TD has 140 more ft lbs??
    I am having trouble working up an adequate "SOUR GRAPES" response to this WORLD BEATER turbo diesel.
    I can easily work up sour grapes for small car TDs-but a 40 mpg 1/2 pickup...?


    Who/where is VM Motori?? Italian??
    Where are these motors made??
     
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Charlie:

    Diesel and gasoline cost the same in California!

    I think the RAM 1500 with the 3.6L Pentastar would do 25 to 27 at 70 mph. Have to go back and look at the charts.

    The only thing I can think of is the city FE and the $4,500 addition to the base price for the 3.0L EcoDiesel and 8-speed AT.

    VM Motori is an Italian company too.

    Wayne
     

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