2015 Honda Fit Pricing, Options and Specifications

Discussion in 'New Automobile Specifications' started by xcel, Apr 9, 2014.

  1. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Something's fishy here. LX cvt gets +4 city /+4 highway mpg from the manual, but EX cvt only gets +3/+1.

    EX manual adds 60 lb over LX manual, EX cvt adds 97 lb over LX cvt. LX cvt adds 31 lb over manual, EX cvt adds 57 over manual.

    Sounds to me like LX CVT is some sort of "hf" model with special treatment to get 40+ mpg advertising rights .
     
  2. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    The new engine is DI and has a 10% higher CR for better MPG.
     
  3. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    and improved aerodynamics.
     
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Andrew:

    The LX arrives with 15" steel rims and 15" tires. Saw this with the Corolla LE ECO too. 2 mpg drop just from a tire size change with that one too.

    Regarding the aero, Honda told me there was a 13.5% improvement but improvement over what was a question? They did not provide that number. I found the Japan Fit ladened with a 0.33 so I took the 13.5% off of that to come up with the 0.285 Cd.

    Wayne
     
  5. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    That's probably one of the reasons the '12 Civic beat the previous generation's EPA numbers.
    The 8th gen LX (like mine) has 16" wheels with fat tires , the 12 LX has 15" wheels.

    Now why doesn't Toyota re-test their Prius with 16" or 17" wheels to get a more honest number ? The 17's CAN'T be as efficient as the 15's.
     
  6. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    Wayne, if the width and height dimensions didn't change (much) and/or if the frontal area stayed about the same, then the drop came from improving the Cd; as you say. I'd believe the 0.285 number. The tapered roofline, and the underpans, and possibly other improvements like tighter wheel opening and more flush wheels, (slight) side taper, wheel deflectors and/or strakes - all could lower the drag.
     
  7. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I had to dig a long way to find any numbers for the Fit, and 0.34 is what I found for my model.

    Yeah, improved aero and a better engine could make up that difference. It's only +2 city, and +4 highway.

    I keep looking and window-shopping for lightweight 15" rims for mine, but I can't quite justify the cost. I've found some in the 10-12 lb range, soundly beating the 16" alloy's 17 lb weight and I assume similar for the 15" steels.
     
  8. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Not saying it's not common, but it's still ridiculous. For the record, the vast majority of cars I have owned all turned around 2800-2900rpm at 60. That goes for our "new" Mazda5, too. So it's not like I'm not used to it, just disappointed.

    Honda, along with Subaru, Hyundai and possibly others, seem to be on a campaign to hobble their MT models with substantially lower EPA ratings than their AT models, even though things could be evened up by simply making the top gear taller. I was hoping Honda would finally break this streak with the new Fit, but alas no.
     
  9. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    Im sure I would get at least 2mpg better if I had the 15" narrow wheels vs the 16" wider factory wheels. These only came on the Trim 4 as an option since the steering rack is slightly different with a quicker ratio and bigger turning radius.

    Well worth the grip when I take hard corners I love taking with the C.
     
  10. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I agree, mostly. However, the current manual Accent has a significantly taller top gear, and therefore is much closer to matching the corresponding automatic's highway rating. Despite that advantage, it doesn't beat the '15 Fit's highway number, because of its larger engine, and higher drag (as well as perhaps some less obvious factors).
     
  11. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I'm confused. If 0.727 is "the same as," wouldn't 0.809 be "shorter," as that term is commonly understood?
     
  12. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    I can't imagine throwing gears ALL DAY LONG for years in a daily driver.

    It's not fun unless it's in a real sports car on the Weekends.
     
  13. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    If anything I'd say you have it backwards. Rowing through gears makes an otherwise boring daily driver fun. It makes driving the vehicle much more interactive...hardly drudgery.
     
  14. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    Let me put you on the 405 here or a nice drive in the city.

    Will see about that.
     
  15. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I can assure you, as a full-time P&G hypermiler, I'm working the shifter and clutch more than any rush hour traffic would prompt me to. And I love it. There's a reason I intentionally chose another stick shift to replace my old one.
     
  16. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Same here. I've driven something like 750,000 miles on manual transmissions. It's so second nature I don't have to think about it much. Then again, I'm not driving in L.A. traffic.

    Only way I'll ever go automatic is when I finally go hybrid. At which point there will be a whole new set of optimization techniques to keep me occupied.
     
  17. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    I'm going to make your shifting dreams come true in Traffic and let you drive me full time in a manual.

    Ill pay for the gas! hehe
     
  18. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    You've made your choice, and we've made ours. It's a good thing there are multiple options. :)
     
  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Yes.
     
  20. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I miss shifting. A lot. I do a fair amount of back'n'forth between N and D , but it's not the same.
    Next car will have to be a manual. Unless , of course, it's a hybrid.
     

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