Honda November 2013 US Sales Down 0.1% + 2014 Accord Plug-in Hybrid Review

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Dec 4, 2013.

  1. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    I think the part I bolded is what is lost on some people here. It really boils down to options. Several people get all up in arms with the thought of an SUV and bring out the pitchforks and torches to burn the fuel sucking heathens at the stake.

    People need to realize that in America, like it or not, there will be those individuals that will buy those bigger cars because they can, not necessarily because they need it. Giving them options like a compact SUV that gives them the room they think, or actually need, over a gigantic SUV while netting better FE is a good thing in my book. It almost gets tiring to see the debates over how anyone that drives anything less than an ultra tiny subcompact must hate the planet and it looks like the whole Ford vs. Chevy debates you see on the "mullet forums". The percentage of the populace that is willing to drive tiny FE cars is smaller than those that want larger more comfortable cars. Offering them something that they want that actually gets good FE accomplishes in my mind what the spirit of this forum is about... Improving FE.

    Personally I'd love a great diesel wagon but I'm in the minority, just like most of the people who actually participate on these forums. ;)
  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Let's see what the people "want" to drive when fuel is $7 a gallon. If they can afford to drive a compact SUV then, let them. I'll give them my blessing.
  3. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    The relevant comparison is not between a "CUV" and a "tiny FE car," but between a CUV and a compact or mid-size wagon, which might claim less cargo space than the CUV stacked full to the headliner, and will weigh roughly the same, but will have equal or greater cargo floor area, handle better, and score much better mileage. Often the cargo floor area is more important than volume. Yes, such wagons have become mostly hypothetical in the U.S., but that's because of fashion, not logic.
  4. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    I've seen the $7 a gallon of gas figure being thrown around for years, yet it hasn't happened yet... Key word there is yet. As long as gas is sitting at the level when factoring in inflation which it has for the past several years, you won't see any changes. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a diesel wagon... Heck, I'm planning on buying an older Subaru Impreza wagon and putting in a subaru diesel in it. I'm just trying to explain the rational behind the uninformed common SUV buyer.
  5. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    People can afford to make the F-series the best selling vehicle on the road right now, I'm sure they will be able to afford a compact SUV when gas is $7/gal.
  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Sure , they can "afford" it , but most Americans buy things they really can't afford , then expect the government to help them out in some way. It's been proven time and time again.

    I continue to be embarrassed for my fellow Americans.
  7. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I just achieved new record for my 47 mile commute with the Accord PHEV: 90.6 mpg and I still had 1 mile EV range left. Just kept the power bar at 1-2 bars as much as possible and drove between 55-65 mph.

    Also received letter from Honda that there's a software update required for the Accord PHEV which would fix potential issue in the PCM that could damage the actuator of VTEC. They don't call it a recall but reads like it. Took several calls to Honda to find a dealer that could do this (nearest dealer didn't know how to do this). Also at my first oil change I noticed dealer didn't even notice it was a PHEV:-(. So not going back there.
  8. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Luke, you rock ! Keep up the excellent work.
  9. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Thanks very much:). Without EV portion it's about 65 mpg in hybrid mode. Clearly possible to get even better mpg but not with all the heavy traffic around me.

    For some reason my EV range is up again from 13-14 to 19-20 miles. This morning it was still bit cold (50) but it still showed 19 mile range. Weird, not completely sure how that calculation works but not complaining:).

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