2014 Honda Accord Hybrid Release Is Approaching

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    re: PIP

    Hi Luke,

    I've been seeing mention of about 3.0 kWh usable out of 4.4 kWh on the PIP.
    That roughly matches experience. I stopped using the Kill-a-watt meter on the
    charger a long time ago and just charge 1-2 hours @110V as needed. The wife
    usually doesn't time the charge so it gets fully charged. I like stopping it with
    about .5-.75 hours to go per the display in the car. Living on a hill, we get some
    heavy regen as we leave the area and the engine will kick on if there's a full charge
    and thus the battery cannot absorb more.

    A way to automatically stop at 90% charge would be nice. I use the automatic
    80% stopping point on the Leaf most of the time.

  2. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Hi Bill,

    That seems though more typical expected ratio. 3.7 out of 6.7 kwH is only 55%. I can see it reserves 20% for hybrid mode but I wonder where the 25% went? Unless there's an issue with the measurement and it's really more than 3.7 kWh but PGE seems to indicate this as well.
  3. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    It's odd that I'm not getting any easy hits doing web searches on the Accord
    PHEV battery usable capacity...

  4. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Probably because they only sold 250 so far and seems they're not really trying to sell many more. I just called Honda but they didn't know either:-(. The manual doesn't show anything either. Only the web site shows 6.7 kWh capacity.

    The other possibility is that I'm misinterpreting chargepoint. It shows per charge:

    Session energy: 3.7 kWh

    So that's off from 6.7 kWh * 80% = 5.4 kWh. I do get 15 miles out of 1 charge so I definitely exceed EPA range:). But not sure why there's this discrepancy.
  5. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

  6. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Thanks very much. Not sure how he got that info but seems he's pretty close. It's 3.7 kWh which is 55%. So doing the EPA calculation this confirms it:

    1/115 eMpg * 33.7 * 13 miles = 3.81 kWh

    Almost 3.7 kWh. So in theory there would be another 10 miles on remaining battery capacity but it wouldn't utilize that or let it drain that much.
  7. tribosessive

    tribosessive Well-Known Member

    Will this be a homerun? Honda has been left in the dust by Toyota on hybrids. I would really like to see them start getting it right. It is puzzling. I have great respect for Honda and would like to see consumers and the planet benefit from competition.
  8. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I think the hybrid will get great real world mpg based on my experience with PHEV so it's looking good so far. But I would not be surprised if Honda asks a higher premium than Camry (which they already did in Japan). I don't think this will be a money maker for Honda.
    The real higher volume seller more likely will be next Fit ('14), Civic & Insight ('15?).
  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I'm glad to see Honda back with a competitive hybrid car. I'm a Honda guy , but as far as hybrid cars go , it's REALLY hard to beat the Prius family. If Honda could make a car that's as efficient as a Prius c or Liftback , I would buy one. The Accord hybrid and PHEV are very close.
  10. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I did a 2nd test but this time I charged about 20% of the range (as opposed to 0%). This time weird enough it as almost identical to real world mpg. So not sure why that is since I expected charging to make no difference. Unless there were some other factors causing the variance. Maybe there's some offset with EV miles.
  11. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    One quick update. 3rd refill was actually more like 1st one but I do think that EV recharging has an effect on accuracy. So bit tricky to get accurate offset. Should be more straightforward with the pure hybrid model.

    Also today I got a new record for my 48 mile trip at 82.7 mpg. Granted though that was 25% stop & go traffic and EV range was because of that probably close to 18 miles (EV range is about 12 to 18 miles depending on speed). At lower speeds you can get some amazing mileage certainly. With about 10% stop & go it drops quickly into high 60's as you can see below (both exact same 48 mile route just different direction).

    If hybrid model is exact same setup then it should get easily into lower 50's on average (I got about 55 mpg for that same route).

    Last edited: Nov 4, 2013
  12. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Quick update: I noticed last week the estimated EV range after charging went suddenly up from 16-17 miles to 20-21 miles.
    So either Honda changed the estimation formula (combined with my past driving maybe) or Honda increased the usable capacity. Only charged once so far and in that case didn't see big difference (difficult to know exact state of charge though). Most likely it's just estimation adjustment but I do get often close to 18-19 miles by using 'EV mode' only at about 30-40 mph with slow acceleration & braking.


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