'13 C-Max Energi

Discussion in 'Ford Hybrids' started by GaryG, May 5, 2013.

  1. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    There's no MPGe on the Volt that I've been been able to find. According to notes on the Voltstats home page it calculates all electric miles as 93 or 98 MPGe depending on the model year since they don't have access to OnStar data for actual kWhrs used.

    I have to say reading all this is making me think about seeing how much my dealer would give me for C-Max. Looks like they have 2 Energi's in stock. One has the 302a package that's equipped just like mine except it has parking assist.
     
  2. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    Well, there are now 2 plug-in's in the garage! Turns out the ruby red one had the 303a package, everything but the sunroof which I didn't want anyway. They gave me $25k for my C-Max SEL which had 18,000 miles on it. Got the $3,000 rebate plus X-plan which knocked off another $2k. It had 21 miles on it when we left the dealer.

    They hadn't had it plugged in and the battery was empty. It only got an hour or so on their 240v charger while we finished up the deal so the mileage home wasn't great: 43mpg.
     
  3. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    You're a man of action, Rick. Congrats!

    Bill
     
  4. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    Energi starts about $33,000. Destination $800. Package 301A is premium audio navigation. $1200. Package 302A adds hands-free technology package, which gives you the kick liftgate. $2000. Package 303A gives you the automatic parking tech. $2900.

    In my area there is $3000 Ford rebate AND 0% loan to 60 months.
    Dealers are giving $2000 discounts +- a bit.

    If they have a 303A Energi, it might be around $36,600 sticker. Drop it 3000, then 2000 -- maybe offer $31K. Ask $24K for your C-max hybrid. Difference is 31 - 24 = $7K. Get a $4K tax credit. You pay $3K to move to an Energi with 303A. Ha, that includes your depreciation on your current Cmax hybrid.

    If you have 302A and look at a 302A, prices are 8-900 lower, but still try for a 3K difference.

    You have to be a comparison shopper. One Ford dealer only offered me $23K for my 303A hybrid. The next offered $26K. I was surprised at the difference. I chose dealer number 2. I got a 303A Energi with a sunroof and white platinum premium paint for a $7,400 difference pre tax. $8K out the door. Because of the 0% loan offer, I financed a big part at no interest.

    Now an Energi is supposed to cost $4500 more than the hybrid SEL model, but the tax credit makes most of that back. The rebate is $3K on the Energi and only $1K on the hybrid. So if you were going to get a Cmax SEL, the Energi is cheaper. You just have to put up with a trunk half full of battery. You get better parking spots with plug-in cars though, usually up front at stores and hotels. Our local library uses the handicap spot as a plug-in spot double duty. Not sure what to think about that one.
     
  5. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    Rick, sounds like you got a good deal. Hope you like it! I got 74 mpg today on 73 miles of errands today in my Energi. A full charge gave me 22 miles and the hybrid added 32 more EV miles.
     
  6. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    Thanks. They started out offering me 23k and came up to 25 so I didn't feel too bad about it. I like the dealer. Before this I bought 3 Escapes from them, 2 being FEH's.

    My wife will be trying it out for the first time on a full charge to church in the morning. Just finished programming the garage opener on the visor for her.
     
  7. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    So I think all of us with the CMAX have upgraded to the Energi then. I wonder how many elsewhere are looking at it.
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Rich:

    I hope all are considering it!

    Wayne
     
  9. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    Here are the results of my wife's 1st trip in the Energi on a full charge: 116.9mpg. Battery range read 19 miles when she started and at the end of her 17 mile trip in she had 3 miles left. She thinks she got another 3-4 miles before the engine came on on her return trip.

    The trip starts out with 11 miles on rural 2 lane highway followed by 6 miles in town (35mph and 45mph speed limits).

    Depending on when exactly she switched to hybrid mode, I think she got somewhere between 45-48mpg after the engine came on.

    I'm pretty pleased so far! I'll be interested to see what the battery range reads when it's full.

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  10. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    I don't seem to have a lifetime screen on my Energi like I did on the C-Max. Anyone know if there is a setting to turn it on?

    Thanks,
     
  11. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Congratulations on your new ride!

    Ford removed the lifetime MPG on the C-Max around July of this year for some reason. When was yours built?

    Gary
     
  12. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    Gary,

    There's a 9/2013 date on the sticker in the driver side door well so that must be it.

    I wonder if they removed it from the non-Energies?
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2013
  13. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    I see a lifetime summary screen when I shut the car off. You get Trip then Lifetime. Also, you can set it in the Display settings menu.

    I just went and looked to make sure. Phewwweeee, my car is charging and the inside reeks of ozone or hot batteries or something. I left a window open. They should vent that outside.
     
  14. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    The HV battery system is vented and has a fan. I have never smelled anything like this in our car. Do you hear the fan running (under rear of car) when charging?
     
  15. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    I hear a fan. It goes slower, faster, slower every 30 seconds or so. I'm using 110v. There are some vents inside in the back. I thought I could feel air coming out there. I guess I'll look it up.
     
  16. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Rick - I assume the lifetime MPG was removed on all models that had it.

    The fans vent to the outside and pull air from the outside if the cabin HVAC system is off. When the A/C or heater is on, the fan pulls air from the cabin. This is very important to know because this is how to cool and heat the battery. The ideal temperature for the battery is 78F where it will be the most efficient.

    I made up a term I use called supercharging the battery. I fully charge the battery from the wall plug the standard way. Just before I'm ready to take a trip, I supercharge the fully charged battery. Ford has designed the battery cooling/heating system with you using cabin air to maintain the battery temperature. If it's cold outside, you turn the heater on. If it's hot outside, you turn the A/C on. In other words, Ford cut cost and eliminated the Aux A/C on all hybrids in 2010 forward and started using the cabin system. So if you don't regulate cabin temperature for your self, you don't regulated temperature for the battery either.

    I figured out a way to supercharge the battery by preconditioning the cabin just before a trip with a full battery. You use more KWh, but it's from the wall and doesn't effect battery range. In fact, it increases battery range by thermal balancing the battery cells better. Ford says it thermal balances the cells while charging using outside air. Well, if the outside air is 90F or 32F, how good is that going to effectively thermal balance the cells? Ford says they do this to maintain range. What I've found is that air from the cabin is more efficient flowing through the pack for cooling/heating, so it supercharges thermal balancing which increases battery range.

    Supercharging a full battery works like this. Leave the car plugged-in and try to start the car with the bake pedal pushed and the A/C or heater on like you normally do. The car will not start and you get a message to unplug. However, the A/C compressor and fans start, and the battery starts venting from the cabin. For heat, there is a small electric heater that heats the cabin only, not the engine. At this point, the battery will start discharging or thermal re-balancing the cells. Cool or heat the cabin as needed, but the battery will stop discharging and begin to charge again in about ten minutes or so. Fully recharge the battery using the supercharging method, turn off power at the push button, and unplug the car for your trips on that charge.

    The battery range gauges in the car and MFM should start increasing to as much as 44 miles, but as the computer starts seeing real range repeated, that will go down depending on your hypermiling skills. I maintain 73 - 77F cabin temperature with the HVAC system while driving to maintain battery temperature. My average battery range with the A/C is around 30 miles now. My best so far is still 33.9 miles before hybrid mode starts.

    Gary
     
  17. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    It appears I don't have the option to display MPGe display either on my C-Max. I looked in Settings on the left display and I can't find any option to set it. In the manual is mentions an option to show to fuel + electric, but I can't find it. Can someone tell me were the option is on theirs in case I'm missing it?

    Thanks,
     
  18. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    Settings / Display / Units / Fuel Economy / Fuel + Electric

    I also have Settings / Display / Lifetime Summary

    I can't seem to supercharge yet. Highest charge so far is 25 miles showing. But it goes down fast to 19-20 when I start out. I'm using the 110v charger. I can get the display to show the ^ up arrow above the battery charge icon, and the fan to run in the back, but after 2 hours it was just at 25.

    There is a ChargePoint station at a shopping center near my work. Local utility gives out free use. Half hour there might give me the boost I need to get a full commute on battery. It's cold enough out I have to run the heat/ defrost on the commute. I can find 110v at work in a ramp, but that is pirate charging and they haven't said yes or no to plugging in there.
     
  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    "pirate charging " ............... a new term for the Cleanmpg Glossary ?
     
  20. rmcmast

    rmcmast Well-Known Member

    Thanks! Under Display / Units, I just have Distance and Temperature. There is no Lifetime option under Display. When was your Energi manufactured?

    This makes me wonder if for some reason Ford doesn't want anyone to see their lifetime mileage. Hmmmm
     

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