Chicago IL to San Diego, CA Prius PHEV Adventure

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by xcel, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Wayne,

    You can't really complain, when you look at the total numbers for the trip. Your wife is making a forty mile round trip for around $2.00 a day. Even with out her charging the pack up at work you would be hard pressed to beat the numbers you're running now.

  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Al:

    Yeah, I do complain sometimes ;)

    I think the Prius PHEV is a good fit for Marian as she is shorter stature so she does not have the ergonomic issues you or I do. The CA HOV lane access will save her some time over the next three years and the free charging from her apartment garage (for now) will provide her with a 25% savings at the pump over her probably real world 45 mpg avg (w/out charging) which in itself is far better than the 19 mpg she was on average receiving in the MDX :mad:

    She did not know her commute mpg (the final display that appears before the Prius shuts down) but I asked that she let me know so I will have a better idea as to her actual results instead of estimated at 55 to 60 mpg overall including single charge from home for the work commute heading out.

    She has only just begun to experience the NAVI, Pandora, SAT Radio, HD Radio, Bluetooth and other infotainment included with the fairly well equipped base Prius PHEV.

    Last edited: Apr 11, 2013
  3. msirach

    msirach Well-Known Member

    I will be anxious to hear her comments (and yours) after she has had it for a while. I think my wife and Marian think the same about cars. I'm glad to hear that it has a fail safe for a plugged in cord. I'm not sure my wife would even bother to plug it in though.
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Mike:

    Marian does not really know what the screens mean but I did reset Trip B before she left this morning with it displaying. She said in it was reading 123 mpg when she arrived at work but she was not exactly sure what was being displayed???

    We'll see on the return trip with no EV charge where she ends up when I see it with my own eyes.

    Here is that EV ratio screen I was talking about earlier. I took the pic this morning.


    The Prius PHEV was charged 6 times from empty to full and a short partial charge for a total of maybe 75 actual EV miles with 169 miles of EV miles shown. This included Marian’s first full charge yesterday.

    When I left Chicago, there was 73 EV miles shown. When I arrived in San Diego, there was 154 miles showing with no charge in between. Besides the Eisenhower tunnel and the 5 miles descent in UT, there may have been another 10 additional miles of EV range added with regenerative braking descents. Where the EV miles racked up was in the glide and with the PHEV, you did not have to attempt to dive under 45 mph to begin warp neutral with the higher speed glide to follow, you simply engaged the .1 or more EV miles with the HV/EV button and allow the Glide to occur or some regen when speeds got a bit hot.

  5. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Wayne, I think Marian was (gasp!) hypermiling!

    assumption: 20 miles, 123 indicated mpg, 3.4 kWh usable, 33.4 kWh=1 gallon

    when I calculate MPGe, I usually include the electricity used

    MPGe = 20/(20/123 + 3.4/33.4) = 75.6

    not counting electricity:

    if 7 miles aer or account for blended mode: (20-7)/(20/123) = 80.0 mpg on gasoline
    if 8: (20-8)/(20/123) = 73.8 mpg on gasoline
    if 9: 67.7
    if 10: 61.5
    if 11: 55.4

    Did I make any mistakes in the above quick rundown?

    Last edited: Apr 11, 2013
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Looks right. I back calculate to gallons consumed.

    20 miles/123 mpg = .1626 gallons consumed.

    If she achieved 10 miles of AER, 10/.1626 = 61.5 mpg. <-- As you pointed out, I will be extremely happy if she actually achieved that!!!

    I am not sure if 20 miles is correct or even if she read the display correctly. I will back calculate once again when she gets home with the actual result unless she goes somewhere else for an errand.

    In addition, I will need to include the combined aFCD and odometer over report of 4.3% later on as well.

  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I am now ecstatic as Marian's commute is 37.2 miles RT and the aFCD indicated 78 mpg for the loop with just the single charge.

    Bill, if it allowed her 10 miles of EV, she achieved 57.03 mpg. If she drove 11 miles on EV, she achieved 54.94 mpg and if she achieved 12 miles on EV (highly unlikely), she achieved 52.84 mpg.

    Actuals with the 4.5% over report would be 55.03 mpg, 53.01 mpg or 50.99 mpg while on gasoline. I can guarantee that she would never achieve 50 mpg in a regular Prius hatch yet with the steeper ascents and descents of the I-5 between San Diego and Carlsbad, the PHEVs full EV/Glide capability below 62 mph vs. 45 mph, and that new 100 mpg mode at highway speeds, the Plug-in is proving to be a nice addition even for those that are clueless how to drive for fuel economy!

  8. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    That is great. It looks like the PIP is going to be a great highway car.
  9. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Wow! (need 10 chars)
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Heading back in an 03 Corolla in a few and not looking forward to that drive by comparison to the awesome Prius PHEV-11 whatsoever :(

  11. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    If the trip takes more than 50 gallons of gas you were not trying. :p
  12. wick1ert

    wick1ert Well-Known Member

    Looks like you've come along nicely with the PIP. I totally missed this thread when I was in Ireland. I've had my PIP for a month so far, and still on the original tank of gas that I filled the day I got the car (really, it's been 3 weeks because I was out of town for a little over a week). Currently, the display is showing 131 MPG. I have the ideal 4.5 mile each way commute to/from work, and most of the places I travel to regularly here are at most 10 miles each way.

    Some of my observations:

    First charge up, display stated 13.3 miles of EV. Most likely during the 30 degree temps, I was averaging around 9-10 miles, as I'm sure the seat warmers used some of that energy. The display got as low as 10.1 miles displayed after a full charge. It's currently up to 10.5 miles after the temps have warmed up a little bit here in the last week. Since I have the ability to charge at work, I honestly have no idea how far a full charge is getting me at this point.

    In the cold temps when I first got the car, I noticed in the mornings that the ICE would kick on around 32ish MPH when I first started the drive. I assume this is due to the pack being cold and not able to push the needed current to go faster right away. What I'd do at the next traffic light, was to cycle the power on the car and it'd go right back to EV mode and I'd be fine from that point for the rest of my drive. It also works in the event you're in EV mode and need extra power and push it into the PWR zone on the HSI, which kicks the ICE on.

    Comparing the ride to my 2010 Prius that I had, Toyota definitely made improvements in the ride quality. It's quieter, handles a little better, and seems to take bumps a little softer. I love having the seat warmers, as it makes my short commute more bearable since I didn't usually run the heater in the old one anyway. I also like the rear defogger on the passenger back side window (the small one) as it helps defog that blind spot view. I like the Navi better also. I'm still not a fan of the "flying bridge" but that's a small con over the many other pros. I haven't yet used the timer charging, but think I'll start using that again next winter. This may help with the issue I had with the ICE coming on right away in my drive. I can set the timer to finish at 9am which is about 30 mins before I leave for work in the morning. That way, the pack should have some warmth and be able to supply necessary power.

    The ability to switch between HV and EV mode is awesome. It really makes you think a little more in advance of what your drive is going to entail. If I know that I won't make it in EV mode, I'll switch to HV for the higher speed portions. It's also nice that it'll regen back into that pack so you'll essentially regen additional EV miles. I've also crept into my neighborhood and house a few times bc I was coasting on EV range and didn't want the ICE to come on.

    Anyone with questions, and I'll try my best to answer.
  13. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Wayne checked in from the road...

    He's eastbound in the Corolla and reached the AZ/NV border just before 5pm PDT. So far, he's at 55.1mpg per calibrated SGii with the cruise set at 60 mph.

    He just said he hit the scan on the FM radio and it's just looping from 88 to 108 and around again. And no digital media connectivity or satellite radio.
    Amazing how far the compact class has progressed in the last decade!
  14. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    The point we keep harping on that never gets old, Speed kills gas mileage.
    Damn I'd be lucky to get 60 mpg's with my Prius with the cruise set at 60 mph.
  15. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    I think there's better pmpg to be had on a 4 hour airline flight.
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    It is but the Corolla was sold in Illinois so its got to get back.

    Currently stuck in Vail as I-70 is shut down for the next 4 to (up to) 48 hours. WTF :(

  17. Ophbalance

    Ophbalance Administrator Staff Member

    I take it that means you only have the Ranger left then? When is someone going to offer a small hybrid truck anyway?? The closest I ever saw was the Escape, but that's a stretch.
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ophbalance:

    I actually gave the Ranger to my parents but use it once in a while...

    Would love to see a Tacoma with a 2.7L and HSD in it!

  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I-70 this morning/afternoon... This was the first mass stop with many more to come.

    The trucker way up ahead of the exit did not have chains, got stuck on the incline and jammed up I-70 Eastbound for over 30-minutes! Hundreds
    of us, CO DOT plows and tow operators were not happy but got him moving again as he installed his chains in the middle of the Interstate.

    This guy tried to creep up and spun out right behind me at 1 mph!

    The Corolla parked on the right lane of I-70 while I wait for the big rig to be set free.​

  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And here is the bad news…

    I am currently stuck in Vail, CO as I-70 closed :( Some tow truck operators stuck here in the same McDonald’s are being told it cold be up to 48-hours since there are so many Big Rig accidents on I-70 from the Vail pass all the way to the Eisenhower tunnel.

    Accidents in the I-70 Spring Snowstorm

    IT’S CLOSED! Pull off or sit on the highway for upwards of two days…

    I wonder how this GEICO SUV was insured? I did not see the lizard so I guess he or she is screwed ;)


    Barely got my camera out in time to snap this one looking back over my shoulder.


    This jack @$$ passed me at about 45 mph not two minutes before.​

    I was stuck for over an hour just after Avon, CO as I guess another accident was being cleared ahead???


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