2013 compact Jetta Hybrid is a no-compromises eco-friendly car

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  1. atlaw4u

    atlaw4u Well-Known Member

    [​IMG] VW takes a different approach with its hybrid

    [FIMG=LEFT]http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2013_VW_Jetta_Hybrid1.jpg[/FIMG]Doug Guthrie - DETROITNEWS - December 20, 2012

    Volkswagen, which for 17 years has offered wary U.S. car buyers a European-prescribed diesel answer to fuel consumption gluttony, suddenly has a gasoline-electric hybrid that is unlike any other.

    Proving we aren't even close to standardization in the world of green technology, the 2013 compact Jetta Hybrid is based on the only turbocharged gasoline engine linked with an electric motor and a regular automatic transmission. Other hybrids use a naturally aspirated engine combined with electric motor and continuously variable transmission (CVT). That's what is in Toyota's Prius and Ford's C-Max and Fusion.

    Volkswagen's new take on hybridization earns an EPA-estimated 42 mpg city and 48 mpg highway that bests its own clean-burning turbo injected diesel overall economy estimate by 11 mpg. The peak output of Jetta's combined hybrid engine and motor even produces 30 more horsepower than the diesel... [RM]http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121220/OPINION03/212200326/1148/auto01/2013-compact-Jetta-Hybrid-no-compromises-eco-friendly-car[/RM]
     
  2. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    TDI owners will hate this car
     
  3. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    The Diesels show about 38mpg on Fuelly. Lets see what these do after some time?
     
  4. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I think you're right herm. Of course that's not who VW is trying to attract ... they want to get people who'd like better fuel economy, but don't want the image and/or driving dynamics of the Prius, and aren't excited about the Fords either because they're not the rah-rah "Buy American" types or maybe some other reason.

    VWs, and not just the TDIs, are pretty popular around here. I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing Jetta hybrids on the street around here.

    With a price starting at least $4k higher than the Prius (and the real world difference even greater, since Priuses are heavily discounted and these won't be), I already see one compromise ...

    And will it really seem like there are no other compromises if when it's got 100k on the clock, its hideously complex systems start needing work and its hideously expensive Bosch parts start needing replacement? Time will tell.

    This does raise the bar for the competition though. Toyota needs to go with a larger-capacity Li pack in the Gen4 Prius so it can do EV mode in a wider variety of conditions, and less Toyota-like handling would help too. If Honda is even going to bother staying in the NA hybrid market they've got to finally either go dual-clutch IMA, or switch to a HSD-like system.

    Personally, I hope Honda chooses the former path: I think IMA could be capable of far more than it's been doing, if only the MG could disconnect from the ICE more. I do rather enjoy the diversity of architectures we're seeing in today's hybrid systems. The Jetta is a single-MG, dual-clutch arrangement, right?
     
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dan:

    Very good synopsis and yes the Jetta Hybrid is a single motor solution. When it comes to ride, handling, and road holding confidence at speed, the Jetta Hybrid is at the top of the hybrid food chain. Other than the exotic Porsche's anyway. As you pointed out, you sure do have to pay for it :(

    Wayne
     
  6. MikeMarsUK

    MikeMarsUK Well-Known Member

    And Porsche is owned by the VW/Audi/etc group in any case :) So they have the advantage that they can share knowledge & engineering between the brands. However none of the VAG brands is particularly cheap, they range from the middle of the market (Seat, Skoda) to $1M supercars (Veyron).



    There is a key difference between the two solutions - the recent TDIs are no good for pure city driving (or short-distance driving) because the DPFs clog up & are eye-wateringly expensive to fix, whereas EV & hybrid are perfect for this. This has been a weakness in the VAG high-MPG solutions for a while, so it is good that they are also exploring petrol, hybrid & EV as well as diesel. That's why my TDI is pre-DPF, and I intend to run it 'forever' (until some bugger writes it off).
     
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  7. bluejoey

    bluejoey no cars > fewer cars > heavier cars

    This is looking interesting. Hopefully its mileage will be more true to form than Ford with its silly C-Max Fusion foibles.
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

  9. bluejoey

    bluejoey no cars > fewer cars > heavier cars

    ^ Ha, sorry about that Wayne. I've been away for a couple of weeks and finally have time to go through and read a lot of threads. I'll have a look at that preview now :D
     
  10. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Herm
    Why would TDI owners hate it?
    Quicker
    Better FE
    and the same VW "reliability" they have come to expect.
    Heck they-TDI owners-should feel right at home with it!
    My son is "sota" dating a young woman who has some sort of Jetta looking(not bug) VW
    I warned him to make sure he has his cell phone charged if they go anywhere in that VW!
    It sure ain't a Prius-reliability wise!
     
  11. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Charlie, the prestige of owning a diesel.. similar to people that own weird dogs.

    I wonder if you could do a daily electric DPF regen of a TDI while parked at home?.. plug it in and it burns up the soot before the filter gets clogged up.
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Herm:

    Not yet but I sure would like to see it. To bring the DPFs internal temps up to the 1,100 + degree F range would mean an awfully potent electric heater.

    Wayne
     
  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Cuz it's not a TDI.

    Hey, Charlie owns weird dogs ! Okay , a graceful purebred dog.
     
  14. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Diesels can be both fun and economical. Here's one from Labor Day 2011. The only reason I didn't crack 60 was because it was 95 and I had the AC on for all 320 miles.
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    Next was after I was feeling rowdy one night, and went up on the tollway. I was flying low on the way back, to say the least. And yet I still managed 49 MPG.
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    Too bad VW blows with their refusal to admit the HPFP problem.
     
  15. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Arty-(Artimus) is a small female greyhound-just 61 lbs-they are BIG dogs-males -once they leave the track-are 80 lbs or more-our other two females averaged 72 lbs
    All greyhounds are extremely unlikely to bite humans-about 1/2 are cat small dog safe.
    They are generally gentle and a bit shy around humans-until they settle in.
    They are ABSOLUTELY great apartment pets-small apt pets.
    Despite being largish dogs-and appearing to be athletic sprinters
    they DON'T need a big yard big house lotta exercise
    Nothing like working dogs or Jack Russel type high energy dogs-
    it would be hard to find a better city apartment type dog-since the retreads arrive PERFECTLY house trained.
    During the last hurricane-Isaac- Arty wouldn't go outside in the rain/thunder
    After 28 HOURS of no urinating-we got a break in the weather-mI forced her outside and she relieved herself.
    Heck I thought I was going to have to catheterize her!!

    Yeah lotta folks don't consider greyhounds because the LOOK like they need a BIG YARD
    not true-all you need is a couch- or toss a goodwill sleeping bag on the floor
    NO DOGGY ODOR-odd but true
    Don't shed much-short hair not much of it
    Extremely healthy-no wierd hip disease
    Most RARELY BARK- Isis Phoebe-once a year-Arty hmmm-different story-vast majority don't bark-
    And better looking than your neighbors dog-better looking than your neighbors WIFE too
    Sorry Wayne-your pup is cute-handsome dog- but Greyhounds have it all over other breeds for pure elegance good looks!
    Yeah-ever other dog is second best in the looks dept-if that is a concern.
    And they are BIG DOGS- bad folks will think they have some attack potential-or alarm potential-Isis and Phoebe-no way-Arty yeah she will be a good alarm dog for when we sleep at rest stops in middle of no where panhandle TX.
    She'll wake up her owner-and her owner will go all 2nd amendment-

    Herm-once you lose your 2nd amendment rights-after your Reps sell you out-you should get a barking greyhound so you can load up a bolt get the crossbow into play!!

    Yeah-Greyhound best all around dog for city or country folks-all you need is a couch-or if your finicky about that-a cheapo goodwill sleeping bag on the floor is fine.Better looking than your dog-too.
     
  16. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Greyhounds dont bark, they will lick the intruder to death.. probably show him where you hide your guns..

    Nice thing about Greyhounds is that they are healthy.. racing farms have never tolerated sick or weak dogs.
     
  17. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Arty-and maybe 1 in 10-are the exception to the rarely bark rule.
    She raises absolute hell when anyone comes near the door.
    I spend 30 seconds
    "are you scared of dogs-she isn't a biter-just knee her"
    of course I have to keep my hand on her collar for the 1st 5 minutes of any visit-
    otherwise she will be face to face-paws on shoulders etc
    when she meets another dog and person-she largly ignore the other dog-after usual butt sniffing-then elbows the poor dog away from the stranger so she can steal all the attention.
    If I pat another dog-she immediately shoulders it aside
    no dog gets attention but Arty when Arty is around.

    Yeah she raises the roof-gives me plenty of time to prepare my 2nd amendment response.

    Yeah-the low life greyhound racers certainly practice eugenics of a sort.
    all for stupid gamblers-how dumb is that-betting on who drugs the dogs most effectively.
     
  18. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Charlie, you are abusing that sweet dog.. there are 24 hours in a day you can be petting him.

    The other nice thing about greyhounds is that you dont have to bend down to pet them (g). I think greyhound racing is a dieing activity.. the days of free purebreeds are coming to a close.
     
  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Arty-Artimus-is a she-son named her some Roman/Greek god of something or other-maybe hunting?

    Yes-she is most definitely of the 24 hr a day patting feeding school of thought.
    And yeah-suckers playing video poker and one armed bandits in every little store
    and all the usless money draining casinoes(es or s??) are putting paid to gambling on dogs and horses.
    Why bother-suckers will play against machines-that are programed to BEAT THEM 55% to 45%??
    Duh-do they really think they can "out think trick" a machine??
    It is literally like betting you'll get heads 55 times out a 100!!
    Never understood gambling against a machine-programed to beat you??
    -lotta oldsters love casinoes-guess it gets them out of the house?
    On the bright side-fewer abused greyhounds,so...

    The rescue organizations charge you $200-for that you get leash collar-neutered and shots etc-and a great healthy house broken dog
     
  20. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    My loaned 14 year old female was 95 lbs, granted she was not in racing trim.. when the time comes I will visit a local (300+ miles) for a free retired female, I dont want to put up with dog adoption fanatic shenanigans. It may be cheaper to adopt locally :)

    http://www.adopt-a-greyhound.org/directory/list.cfm?usState=fl

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