Hyundai/KIA Backpedal on Fuel Economy Claims

Discussion in 'Hyundai' started by ALS, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Joe, now you really messed up!.. some Korean guy is going to call and you wont understand one word!!

    [fflash=center]http://www.youtube.com/v/9bZkp7q19f0?version=3[/fflash]
     
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jon:

    Yes, by all means adjust your Hyundai's numbers down in the Mileage Database.

    Joesgot4, are you really sure you want to go through this each and every month? Why not do it once per year and get the hundred dollar check or whatever it ends up for you?

    It simply is not worth the headache for a $10.00 debit card or whatever you are supposed to receive this month.

    And if you think your FE is not that great, imagine if you were in a much smaller and more expensive Fiesta! You wouldn't have any hurdles to jump other htan an extra $25 to $50 at the pump each month :(

    The new 2014 Fiesta with the 1.0L EcoBoost (almost a year away) will help break the poor FE and performance of that car but it is going to cost another $995 for the upgrade and the smallish 85 and 15 cu. ft. of passenger volume is going to be the same. The ST's front end looks hot as hell though :D

    Wayne
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Joesgot4:

    Hyundai/Kia just announced the program on Nov. 2 so you have had your odo read within the first three weeks. Why bother spinning your wheels when you will in fact get your debit card for all the miles you have driven.

    I do not have to encourage or dissuade members from considering Hyundai products as Hyundai does not pay me a dime but I do encourage others to consider them because they receive more car for their $’s including the fuel economy.

    Saying that, if I were asked to set a Guinness World record in the B, C or D-segment tomorrow, there are only five models that can do it. The Elantra Coupe/Sedan/GT with the 6-speed stick, the Mazda3i with the 2.0L SKYACTIV-G and 6-speed stick, a Civic with the 6-speed stick, Accent with the 6-speed stick and the Passat TDI also with the 6-speed stick.

    While I have never driven an Accent with the AT, I have driven the Elantra with the 6-speed AT in an all-city environment a number of times and it also buried its EPA city rating. I may have posted shots of the same at 45 + during the reviews back in 2011???

    You used to own a Malibu right? What was its in-town MPG? It was a lot lower. Since you mentioned Ford in your previous post, what if you owned a Fusion or Escape with the 1.6L EcoBoost right now? See the home page for more details.
    And what choice would that have been? A 33 mpgUS combined Fiesta? Did you see our cross country drive review to see why it under performed? A 32 mpgUS combined Yaris? A 28 mpgUS combined rated Sonic5? The 2 mpg loss over 15,000 miles at $3.65 per gallon is worth $126.00 including the 15% over an entire year. That is $10.50 per month if you travel 15,000 miles per year.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2012
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Joesgot4:

    How many? I know at least 15 including yourself right here on this forum!

    You are spending a lot of time frustrated for $10.50 a month. Wait until the end of each year and collect the $125.00 if you drive 15,000 miles per year. At 31 mpgUS combined, that is over 1,000 miles free per year. Hyundai is paying you for the 33 mpg combined + another 15%. What more could you possibly want?

    If your Malibu could glide so much better in the city, than you are not driving in the city.

    An 05 Accord PZEV, why? What would you have purchased in 2005? The loaded Malibu LT is worth $4,175 whereas the Accord is worth $6,710 with 130K miles. Now look up any other 2011 B-segment vs. your Accent... Do the math on TCO and you will find out not only are you driving a much better equipped Accent but are saving money vs. just about anything else you could have purchased other than maybe a Prius-III.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2012
  5. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    And which of those, excluding the diesel, would do best on moderately hilly Interstates if you had to average at least 50 mph?
     
  6. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    ... if you hijack a heated discussion about Hyundai/Kia's mileage problems so you can get car buying advice from Wayne Gerdes.

    :D
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi RedylC94:

    All of the above ;)

    Wayne
     
  8. Ophbalance

    Ophbalance Administrator Staff Member

    Wait, does that mean I can adjust pre-2008 numbers to 2008 then? ;)
     
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ophblance:

    Yup!

    Wayne
     
  10. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    The korean guy called and scared Joe off!
     
  11. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    the korean guy threatened me gangnam style! what a cool video! watched it several times , had to back off, getting a little hot under the collar about the way HYUNDAI has handled this process! im done on this subject!
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Joesgot4:

    I can see it in your posts. A month from now when you spend your first debit card on a movie ticket or dinner for a single family member, it will be a lot better :)

    Wayne
     
  13. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    if i woulda saw the corrected epa numbers of 28mpg city and 37mpg highway i would have looked at the chevy cruze eco ,manual tranny a lot closer ,even though ive learned gm will screw you too! but 5mpg highway on sticker may have pushed me over edge!
     
  14. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Regardless of the window sticker, the Cruze Eco scored second place in a two car competition against a regular Elantra. To anyone at CleanMPG, the new lower EPA just means you're beating the numbers by a larger margin. It has no effect on what we can actually do with the car.
     
  15. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    which car did you drive,chris? and could some of that difference be the driver?
     
  16. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

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    According to the guys at CruzeTalk (one of them has posted here as well) the Cruze Eco with 6MT can give some amazing results on the highway. I wonder how the Elantra 6MT would do against the Cruze Eco 6MT under the same conditions.
    I like to see cars like the Cruze and Focus do well. I wouldn't mind having an American (nameplate) car again after thirty plus years of Japanese cars.
     
  18. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    i just read that review again! very good review! id like to test both cars myself and just see what i could do with them!
     
  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    Both the Cruze ECO and Focus including the SFE trim fall short...

    In our Cruze Eco with the stick Review, it reached a measured (and calibrated) 59.95 mpg on my RT drive loop. The Focus was in the mid 50's although that was not driven on the same loop. The Elantra sedan w/ a stick was a 66 mpg achiever with much of that drive in the rain and the Elantra GT reached 72 while crossing a large swathe of the country. Only the Mazda3 w/ SKYACTIV and the 12 Civic with a stick have performed similarly or better a measured drive.

    CleanMPG Reviews the 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT

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    CleanMPG Reviews the 2011 Hyundai Elantra GLS

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    2012 Ford Focus automatic in LA this weekend...

    2012 Civic EX Coupe in LA

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    Final top off fill details. 62.0 miles and 79.2 mpgUS displayed -- 66.2 miles actual (per google maps)/.739 gallons = 89.6 mpgUS actual.​

    Wayne
     
  20. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    is the 2012 honda civic that dang good? ive heard no one talking about honda!
     

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