2013 Toyota Avalon Preview - Golden Gate in San Francisco

Discussion in 'Website news & discussions' started by xcel, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    So these are for the Hybrid,

    2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid Available Colors
    Blizzard Pearl
    Classic Silver Metallic
    Magnetic Gray Metallic
    Attitude Black Metallic
    Sizzling Crimson Mica
    Champagne Mica
    Moulin Rouge Mica
    Cypress Pearl
    Nautical Blue Metallic

    what colors are the Gas model coming in?

    Skip
     
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    The 3.5L gas model will arrive with the following:
    • Blizzard Pearl
    • Classic Silver Metallic
    • Magnetic Gray Metallic
    • Attitude Black Metallic
    • Sizzling Crimson Mica
    • Champagne Mica
    • Moulin Rouge Mica
    • Cypress Pearl
    • Nautical Blue Metallic
    And let me reiterate again, do not purchase the 3.5L non-hybrid. It will cost you more at resale, it will cost you more at the pump, it will cost you more in maintenance. The Price delta is so small to be insignificant.

    When a Toyota full hybrid and that ICE shuts down when slowing, at a light or when you are driving through your neighborhood, you will quickly discover the quality of quiet that the 3.5L will never be able to provide.

    I hope that helps?

    Wayne
     
  3. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    :) Trust me I will be giving the Hybrid a REAL go over, before making any decisions.

    Any idea when Toyota is suppose to have any of this information posted on their web site?

    - Brochures?

    Skip
     
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    I would not try to guess other than when it finally appears. It should occur very shortly however. I have some conflicting documentation within my press kit on features for a given trim and I will not be able to sort out until a finalized release has been approved.

    This is normal however as these are short lead cars and the product presentations are put together weeks or months in advanced of the actual product reaching dealership showrooms.

    Wayne
     
  5. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    Hi. Well a few other questions.

    What is, if anything, the differences between the 6.1" and 7" touch screen systems? One appears to be a DVD nav while the other appears to be the better HDD system. Is this all, or is there more?

    My guess is they still can't do anything unless your stopped or are using the blue tooth features … right?

    Is the speaking on either better, quicker?

    Skip
     
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    Sort of. The SW based NAVI within the Display Audio system does not have as many POI's and in use, can be a bit frustrating. My parents have the 6.1 display audio in their Prius v and it does not resolve addresses nearly as well as the DVD based system in my Accord.

    I believe the HDD based NAVI system comes with Safety Connect. Have to go back and read the specs linked above.

    You can voice command some functions while on the go but you cannot program an address while moving. Toyota is doing this for the rest of us and I am glad they did.

    IHTHs.

    Wayne
     
  7. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    Hi. I'm lead to believe the HDD system is up date date as it goes, or is it use an SD card? I know my Nav has on occasion given the wrong information. I'm lead to believe that doesn't happen as much with an HDD system?

    My Garmin is great, and if they could have a system like that in the car, wow, a lot of people would be a lot happier.

    So bigger isn't much better or different then.

    Skip
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    It is not the 12" system in the GS but it is adequate.

    Regarding the Garmin based systems, that is exactly what Chrysler products incorporate and the 8.4" display UConnect has the highest NAVI/Connectivity/Telematic satisfaction ratings of any NAVI system in North America. It is also reasonably priced in the higher end trims too.

    Go figure???

    Wayne
     
  9. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    Ok, that brings up an interesting question. Base on the new cars you have driven. What would be you top 5 choices and why?

    Skip
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    Given your penchant for the larger cruisers, you would probably not like my top 5.

    #1 and #2 - 2013 Elantra GT or 2013 Mazda3 with SKYACTIV, both with sticks.

    The Elantra GT

    Its "looks" are the best in the C-Segment.

    Its interior is the best in the C-segment.

    Its maximum slow speed fuel economy is the best in the C-Segment.

    Its maximum higher speed fuel economy is “one of the best” in the C-Segment

    It has some utility with the hatch but it is a small hatch.

    It is priced relatively inexpensive by comparison to the rest of its competitors in the C-segment.

    The Mazda3 SKYATIV

    Its higher speed fuel economy is one of the best in the C-Segment

    Its handling is absolutely the best in the C-segment -- It was too cold to do a slow speed maximum but I suspect it would break into triple digits in warm temperatures as well?

    It is priced relatively inexpensive by comparison to the rest of its competitors in the C-segment.

    #3 - 13 VW Passat TDI with a stick.

    Its comfort both up front and in the back is top notch.

    Its higher speed and lower speed fuel economy is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else in the D-Segment.

    It however is very expensive and with the stick, you are not allowed any toys. No NAVI (VW NAVIs are not very good anyway) and no Fender Audio. That is a kick @$$ audio system.

    #4 - Toyota Avalon Hybrid

    Its comfort both up front and in the back is top notch.

    Its lower speed fuel economy is outstanding and ahead of everyone in the “E” Segment.

    Its exterior finally looks pretty good

    It however is expensive by comparison to what I normally drive or can afford.

    #5 - Hyundai Accent

    It is comfortable

    It is very affordable

    It has ok ergonomics with the tilt and telescopic wheel

    It has some utility as a hatch

    Its slow speed fuel economy is top notch

    Its high speed fuel economy is ok.

    Conclusions

    The Accent, Elantra and Mazda3 SKYATIV provide most of what I want and what I can afford without having to make too many sacrifices. Being a long distance driver however, the Passat TDI would be my choice if it was not so expensive. If it was quiet comfort, fuel economy and reliability, the Avalon Hybrid but again I could not personally afford it. At $35K to start, that is getting up there! The Passat TDI beats the Avalon on price and FE when equipped with the AT abut with the AT, the Passat TDI is really weakened around town. It is also not nearly as luxurious feeling as the all-new Avalon.

    I am still not sure about the Avalon's large flat black panel housing the central display and controls. It is one area where they were trying something new (capacitive touch controls) and did not have the texture/design quite right.

    I will throw in a #6 as the VW Jetta Hybrid. Way “Fun to Drive” quotient and great highway fuel economy (easier to get big numbers than even a Prius!) but is far too expensive for a C-Segment sedan equipped with even the most basic of amenities.

    I hope that helps?

    Wayne
     
  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    I forgot what is coming up... That would be the Mazda6 with the 2.2L SKYACTIV-D. Best exterior in the D-segment, one of the best interiors and I suspect it will own even the mighty Passat TDI in both slow and high speed driving fuel economy if it arrive with a stick. It may also be far too pricey too however :(

    Wayne
     
  12. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    All very interesting. I worked at ford, Lincoln, Mazda, vw, Kia, hyundai dealership, and can say, for me fords suck. The Mazda line is nice. I almost bought a 626 5door some years back, but they were touch for me back then.

    Vw's just don't do it for me.

    Question - it looks like the front door lower panels /pockets no longer pop out for easy access?

    I can say, that thebtoyotas have been great cars for us over the years ( 8 so far) out of over 35 cars so far. Pontiac (older ones) have also been good, and 2of the 4 park avenues were good, with my favorite one getting over 336,000 miles on it before it finally **** the bed.

    For us, the 8 toyotas have NOT needed any major repairs ever! I guess it's like they say, if it's not broken ...
     
  13. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    Hi. So what's new. A few more questions if I may.

    So I believe I saw were you had a 2012 Avalon to compare to, and how did that go?

    Is there a big difference in

    - Ride comfort
    - Ride noise
    - Wiper noise
    - Wind noise (at what speeds better or worst?)
    - Noticeable difference between 2012 and 2013, and where is it most evident?
    - Do the front door pockets still slide open?
    - Is or does the paint appear to be better or the same?
    - Did there appear to be any difference in the front seats?
    - Are these new square headlights any brighter

    Skip
     
  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    The 2012 I drove was for a somewhat shorter distance after getting out of a 2013.

    2013 Avalon vs. 2012

    Ride comfort -- Both road similarly but the 2013 was easier/more precise to steer (EPS vs. Hydraulic) and cornered better.

    Ride noise -- 2013 was quieter.

    Wiper noise -- It was not raining at the time I drove the 2012 so I could not give you any input on that. However the 13 is equipped with a new lighter weight and more aerodynamic wiper design that is said to stay in contact with the window longer.

    Wind noise (at what speeds better or worst?) -- 2013 was quieter. Easier to have a conversation with my drive partner. That is about the only impression I can add for this metric.

    Noticeable difference between 2012 and 2013, and where is it most evident? -- Interior was much more modern and 3D like. Better displays and interior materials. Touch your 12's headliner and when you get into the 2013, touch and look at it. The 12 had that cheap mouse fir on egg carton garbage. The 13 has a real cloth textured print on a soft foam backing. Also look at and then touch the A-pillar covering. Look at the stitched hood over the instrument cluster. It will take only seconds and afterwards you will know.

    Do the front door pockets still slide open? -- I do not remember the 13 door pockets sliding open.

    Is or does the paint appear to be better or the same? -- I did not look for orange peel on either. The 2013's were late model prototypes and were probably hand built so that would not be a fair comparison.

    Did there appear to be any difference in the front seats? -- Wait until you see the cut of the leather around the shoulder areas of the 2013 seats. Much more modern, nicer to look at and sit in with the wrap around layered pattern.

    Are these new square headlights any brighter -- It was daylight when driving so I cannot say much about that. The new square lights are able to turn with the car IIRC so there is additional functionality.

    I hope that helps?

    Wayne
     
  15. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    Any chance the new Avalon can do this?

    Something I just saw on a short Nissan Altima Video

    You can plot a route for a trip on your computer, then send it to the nav in the car … VERY cool!

    Because on a computer you can view VERY close and pick the exact roads you want to drive. Something I currently do on each trip of more then 500 miles. I then export to my Garmin, but it would be great to be able to export to the Avalon Nav unit.

    It would sure be nice to have this feature with the Nav that you pay a PRETTY penny for.

    Skip
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    I do not remember that capability being available or discussed but will look it up tomorrow just in case it was spelled out.

    Wayne
     
  17. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    Boy that would be cool if the avalon offered that:)

    Also a review I just read said the coin tray was back on the left side of the dash … is this true?

    Skip
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    I did not look for or have to use the coin tray. With Electronic toll devices nowadays, coin trays are probably going to go the way of the dodo. Then again for this vehicles target market, coin trays are probably all the rage ;)

    When I pull out the press kit and look deep into the interior photographs, I might be able to provide a bit more detail.

    Wayne
     
  19. ncee

    ncee Well-Known Member

    I like the thought of Elec tolls, but I like paying cause - well let's just say it's better for taxes:)

    Skip
     
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Skip:

    I did not see anything in the docs regarding a PC based NAVI route being available for import into the Avalon.

    Do you remember me talking about the upper seat backs having a unique design sewn into the shoulders? Here is what that highlight looks like in person. It really makes the seats look modern and comfortable. They are comfortable too :)

    2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid Preview

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    I looked through all of my dash media shots and did not see a coin holder on either side of the wheel. I wish I looked for when I was there but that was not one of those things I usually consider. There was no coin holder on the center console or within the e-tray that I noticed either.

    Wayne
     

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