Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Oct 10, 2012.
Just make sure the car gets thoroughly warmed up for 20 minutes... I have the same problem.
Especially if the 250 miles/month consists of something like a hundred 2.5-mile trips with cold starts. If it's more like five 50-mile trips, not so much.
This is true. I typically just wait for it to change colour to change it. Maybe I should change it at the one-year mark anyway.
I am wondering what kind of life expectancy this Mazda oil has...
Just weekend drives to get groceries (8.1 miles up to 60 mph on State Route), get our Bountiful Basket (17 miles up to 40 mph on State Route), to Whole Foods for out-of-the-ordinary groceries (9.5 miles up to 60 mph on Interstate), and maybe some other driving that isn't much different than the aforementioned trips.
Anyone have experience with moly additives for motor oil?.. its popular in high velocity rifles and bullets. There are a few in the market, example:
Wasn't it supposed to poison catcons?
Where did I get that idea-that Zinc and Moly-in fact many metals-poison cat cons if too much gets past the rings?
I seem to remember oil chemist had to decrease the amount of a Zinc additive several years back because of cat con concerns.
I still have some KalGard Engine Gard moly based additive- I used it on my old SR500's-seemed to work just fine- but that 1980 bike didn't have a catcon-.
Maybe modern engines have such good oil control it isn't much of a concern?
Or maybe current catcons are more resistant ??
I had no problems with the Engine Gard
I'm guessing Mazda is using the Moly to cover up up the "sins" of the too thin base- -perhaps at startup??_A just in case additive "since we have made this oil sooo thin- better have a plan B"
New to the forum. I had the new Mazda oil sent to blackstone labs. Good stuff!
Wow, thanks for getting that tested!
No problem! It has a really high VI of around 221. Really light on start-up and also has lots of Moly!
I remember-maybe 20 years back-maybe more- when reloaders were tumbling bullets-jacketed bullets-in some moly "stuff"-maybe they put it in with walnust shells??
Supposed to get less wear to high vel barrels-maybe less bullet distortion- more accurate.
Back then it was DIY- can't remember any "bought" moly coated bullets-
But that was a long time ago.
On another note- you should be smiling if those polls are in the ballpark.
If Romney is even within 3 pts in swing states-he would win since his voters are generally more likely to vote
We'll see-safe bet that if it is close- there will be a court challenge.
They still are using moly for that.. usually just tumble the bullets with powdered moly until they get plated, plus there is a procedure to cleaning and breaking-in the barrel. I have a special moly grease concoction (mixed with oil, for airgun springs), very slick when used on a trigger.. instant trigger job.
I dont trust polls that much.
I have recently completed a 60k mile consumer field study with Sustina 0W20 motor oil. Used motor oil testing shows that even in using this very lighest of motor oils for 20k miles, it has given me excellent engine protection. It has also given me a 3% improvement in fuel economy. If at all humanly possible, everyone should be using Sustina 0W20, Mazda with Moly 0W20 or Toyota Genuine 0W20 motor oils. I applaud hypermilers. Using these super light motor oils will help create a synergy that will take you even higher.
Is there a old Mazda 0w-20 and how do you recognise the new one (with moly)?
The reason I'm asking is because I have send many e-mails to local on-line sellers (Europe) for any 0w-20 oil, I had only one positive response with Mazda 0w-20 (€ 10.50), the guy said it's manufactured by Total, that is all the info I got. So the second question would be: is Mazda oil from Europe the same as the American, because it's manufactured by a French Total?
One year ago I bought Mobil 1 0w-20 from German ebay, it's not available any more instead the same ebay seller is now offering Total QUARTZ 9000 FUTURE 0W-20 (€ 5.95) with viscosity values:
-@ 40ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 40
-@ 100ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 7.5
Ok, there are others, but some are expensive (Castrol, Motul, Fuchs ...) and some are just uknown to me (Rowe, Ravenol). What to choose?
Sustina (JX Nippon), Toyota Genuine (Exxon-Mobil), and Mazda with Moly (Idemitsu) are very specific motor oils with the winning feature of being significantly lighter than all other motor oils. They have very high viscosity indexes. Toyota Genuine may be your best option. If you start looking at specs, please note that the form of moly used in this oil is very potent.
Here Toyota dealership uses genuine Toyota motor oil, but they use 5w-30 for Prius and at the price of €20+ per liter. So no I can not and will not use Genuine Toyota 0w-20 oil.
Around here no one is using 0w-20, so every shop is saying that is not worth for them to import such a oil and sell only a few cans ...
The only options are Total, Mazda, Honda, Castrol, Motul, Fuchs, Rowe, Ravenol, OMV, some of them have funny prices over €15/l.
There ought to be better options for you! Maybe you can thin out your oil with some Motul Sprint 0W15. Fuchs 0W20 is an outstanding motor oil but it is a thick 0W20. The Mazda with moly oil was developed for their SkyActiv technology. It would be great if that exact oil came to the continent soon-at a reasonable price. Driving style is always the number one factor in improving mpg-go hypermiling!
While at the Shell/Pennzoil Houston GP two weekends ago, a lot of the scientists on hand were talking about 0W-16 and 0W-12 weight synthetics coming soon. I mentioned the Mazda oil from Idemitsu and although none of them have tested it specifically, they knew about ultra low viscosity oil being produced for some Asian OEMs.
As an update, I added Quaker State’s Ultimate Durability to the list as it is my favorite low cost synthetic currently.
The 0W-20 Full Synthetic Comparison – Kinematic Viscosity Ratings
Column1Column2Column3Column4Product Brand NameViscosityKinematic Viscosity at 40 degrees C (cSt)Kinematic Viscosity at 100 degrees C (cSt)Mazda GF-5 with Moly0W-2035.88.37Quaker State Ultimate Durability0W-2042.68.39Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic0W-2042.88.4Mobil1 Advanced Fuel Economy0W-2044.88.7Amsoil Signature Series0W-2047.38.7
Lower is better for us.
Asharris7, thanks for those test results!
Xcel, thanks for touching on my pet subject, very high viscosity index motor oils. I have done an 8k mile run on high-moly Mazda, and it is a favorite of mine also. Mazda, Toyota , and Sustina super-light motor oils can give you a nudge in fuel economy, only adding to the benefits of hypermiling techniques. Of the majors, Mobil One AFE 0W20 and Pennzoil Platinum 0W20/5W20 are excellent choices. Ultimate Durability gives great value. Amsoil still makes a superb product.
I would also like to thank Asharris7 for introducing me to high-moly Mazda motor oil. It is velvety smooth at startup ala Amsoil. It runs quiet, inspite of being so light in viscosity. Performance and mpg are only slightly below Sustina.
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