2013 VW Passat TDI Pricing, Options and Specifications

Discussion in 'New Automobile Specifications' started by xcel, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    GOOD LUCK on the remainder of the tank!! Sounds like it is going to be close.
     
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    Hi All:

    It is indeed going to be close depending on if there is .7 gallons left after 0 DTE or not???


    1,280 miles actual + 283 miles actual = 1,563 miles actual. The OEM Odometer is under reporting actual miles traveled by 1563/1539.5 – 1 = 1.5265%.

    The Displays

    Please Refuel - Range: 65 miles -- Please Refuel - Range: 25 miles
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    Trip 1 (todays Segment) - 92.1 mpg -- Trip 2 (tank) - 88.0 mpg -- 1,539.5 miles displayed/1,563 miles actual.​

    To begin, I let the Garmin loose and within 5 miles, it had me driving down gravel roads… So I was a little more carful the next time it said turn here ;)

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    This is not a good way to start the day :rolleyes:


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    Crossing the Ohio River into KY.


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    It’s raining again ;)


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    Crossing the TN border.


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    Pups says are you stupid or something, it's raining out there!


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    I like this rain letting up shot for some reason ;)


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    Another…​

    Wayne
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi All:

    With that out of the way, there is probably some good news in this Refuel Now – Range: display.

    When the message first appeared, the analog fuel needle was sitting at as close to dead on to the 1/16 mark (where the demarcations turn into cross hatches on the fuel level display) as one could imagine and it displayed Range: 70 miles. This was what I was hoping for as it appears to be based off the EPA combined * 2 gallons. (35 mpg*2 gallons = 70 miles). That’s the good news and since we are driving well beyond double the EPA, I can double the display for an estimate before she displays Range: 0 miles. I traveled 92.1 miles displayed from Range: 65 miles to Range: 25 miles (40 miles). I think we are ahead of the game here?

    However, Range = 0 miles will probably occur at or around 1,600 miles displayed or ~ 1,624 miles actual.

    Mike I am counting on your sleuthing that there is .7 gallons left at Range = 0 miles and I would like to use at least .35 gallons of that allowing us to get out to maybe 1,650 miles?

    If you have any more on this, please post it as it could mean the difference between stuck and not stuck on the side of the road ;)

    If it were Monday, I could get some VW PR folks to make some calls into the tech center but I was not thinking about that today with all the rain and crazy traffic in some of the small towns. Marion, KY??? was a nightmare at lunch rush!!!

    Best FE appears to arrive with an acceleration or pulse with a 70 to 80% LOD rate. Any more and the turbo begins to add its power while the FE “appears” to fall off somewhat.

    To launch this monster, First with just the slightest touch of the accelerator pedal and once moving, get into second and accelerate through the gears using LOD as your guide.

    It is funny as a gasoline engine, Pulsing and acceleration to a steady state speed are two very different acceleration patterns in most cases whereas with the diesel, it is easier as both appear to be the same application of LOD. Keep the turbo minimized with a high load for accel and the FE appears to be as good as can be achieved. In other words, diesels are easier to drive for high FE during the acceleration phase. And have always been easier to drive for higher FE during the steady state as we all know ;)

    To bad more manufacturers did not bring them over while exclusively pushing their hybrid drivetrains.

    Wayne
     
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  4. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    The HPFP is lubricated with diesel, so do not run the tank dry.
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2012
  5. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

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    Wayne, based on what I've read on TDIclub, the low fuel light comes on with around 2.5 gallons left. DTE=0 is at 3-5L left (.8-1.3 gal).

    Too bad you didn't have a VW diagnostic cable and software, you could read the exact values and do things like force a regen if you see an opportune time to do so. If you do a long drive with a VW sometime in the future, it may be worth looking into sponsorship from the software manufacturer for that :p

    Agreed about it being too bad about more manufacturers not selling diesels here. The majority of people who try it like it in my experience. Turbo torque when they want it, great fuel economy when they don't. It's an enjoyable combination :)
     
  6. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

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    Problem is most people don't have any idea of the economy of diesels, so it's lost on them. Good illustration is on Fuelly-check the 2012 diesel Fiesta someone is reporting on. It's easy to find, it's the one with a 60.2 MPG average. I think if Americans became aware of just how economical these cars are, they'd start asking hard questions about why we get cars that maybe get half the mileage their diesel counterparts in Europe get. Fueleconomy.gov shows user reported mileage on a 5M gasser at 36.2. Why can't we get the one getting 60 MPG, and why doesn't anyone ask their legislator to explain?
    http://www.fuelly.com/driver/cromptoncoaster/fiesta
     
  7. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

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    My "thing" [my wife rightly calls it an "obsession"] since January 2005 when a staffer for the House Energy and Commerce Committee told me in no uncertain terms that my prediction of $4/gallon fuel in 2012 was wrong!

    He assumed me that the US would see $4/gallon gasoline in 2007 or 2008. Well, we saw how that went and Congress's response (lack of, both before and after ... want a pipe line in 2017? I've got one to sell ya!). ;);) :rolleyes:

    It is sadly amusing to see the pre-canned responses from Senators, Respresentitives, and legislative Committee Chairs that circumvent the problems and questions that I have been raising since late 2005 regarding why Federal agencies and the US consumers DO NOT have access to "best of breed fuel economies".

    Maybe if others would aggressively join the fight ... something might happen. I know for a fact that action has occurred from the White House over the last 42 months predominately in the form of Executive Orders and the 2025 CAFE agreements, which ... of course ... some in Congress strongly object to. I have my doubts regarding any help from Congress, particularly with its' current makeup.


    There are at last count over 300 non-Det3 vehicle configurations from 14 OEMs active in the US that apparently already exceed the nominal 54 mpg US 2025 CAFE. Almost ALL are diesels ... except a few very small gasoline powered configurations like the Seat and fortwo.

    Further, I am not certain those EU gasoline configurations are robust enough to provide the "real world" fuel economies suggested by their NEDC ratings like their diesel siblings seem to do. This has been a continuing discussion/debate between Wayne (plus others) and I for a few years ... at least since 2007 when I found the 60+ mpg(US) combined [NEDC rated] Volvos. And later EPA's Shared MPG Estimates and their VW diesel experience data.


    The real solution to better fuel economy in the US will arrive rapidly ... shortly after the OEMs active in the depressed EU market realize that there is demand in the US for >50 mpg combined fuel economies ... and NO PRODUCT COMPETITION ... a natural solution to their excess capacity and depressed sales volumes.

    I think this Passat is the "first shot" ... and others will HOPEFULLY follow with outstanding real world mpgs. It will just take a while, some user experience, and word of mouth for vehicles that "deliver" to acheave broader acceptance. I believe it will happen and the Det3 US will be forced to follow or experience loss of market share just like post 1975 with the introduction of the more fuel frugal Japanese offerings.

    And potential fuel economies above 60 mpg average are market attention getters that are a long way from the 2~3 mpg annual incremental improvement previously offered by Det3 US.


    My screen name started as 40 mpg by 2010 in 2005. This all resulted from trying to buy a "real" fuel frugal midsized vehicle in late 2004, but the Prius did not provide the needed fit and function.
     
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  8. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    Chatting with Wayne on the phone. He's at 1570 miles on the tank (about 1594 actual), and 15 miles DTE. He had the Passat weighed at a weigh station at the Mississippi border and the weight was 3640 pounds with Wayne and pup and all luggage and Pepsi inventory. Today's conditions - 70F, no wind, humid - good for low aero drag and this segment is just over 100mpg but not sure for how long we can hold onto that. He's currently about 4 miles from Booneville, MS on US45 and heading straight south. This tank should probably "done" soon, so stay tuned for details later on today.
     
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi All:

    She’s finally finished and if I would have known how much we actually had left, we’d have driven another 50 miles!


    1,563 actual miles + 112 actual miles = 1,675 actual miles.

    1,675 actual miles/1,651.9 displayed miles reveals a somewhat minuscule 1.398% under report for the entire drive.

    1,675 actual miles traveled on 18.445 gallons = 90.81 mpg US for the tank vs. 89.4 mpg displayed for Trip 2 (tank).

    If we use the short of actual displayed miles (1,651.9 miles/18.445 gallons = 89.6 mpg) the aFCD comes within 2/10ths. Amazing accuracy minus the distance offset.

    We had another at least .5 gallons left in the tank which would have taken us another 50-miles. If I would have only known :ccry:

    2013 VW Passat TDI – Route, weights, displays and final fill details

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    Crossing into MS.


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    The Mississippi State Weigh Station just across the MS border showing a 3,640 pound load out including, the Passat TDI , the pups, the camp gear, myself and a few Pepsi’s ;)


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    With what I thought were fumes left, I dropped the hammer and let all the skills in my arsenal loose on the 2013 VW Passat TDI. Finally with some warm temps, she paid back handsomely with a Trip 1 (segment) 114 mpg displayed today. Trip 2 (tank display = 89.4 mpgUS) over 1,651.9 miles or 1,675 actual miles.


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    Fill up at a Wal-Mart Super Center (Murphy’s) in West Point, MS.


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    The fill with repeated top offs, shaking the back of the car again and again on both sides and top off again… Repeat about forty times. This was the best slow fill pump I have ever used as I could control flow to the thousandths of a gallon!


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    18.445 gallons and receipt.


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    Top off fill and displays verification by Joan Thedis, the Manager at the Murphy's Station in West Point, MS. Thanks Joan!​

    A new range and fuel economy world record for diesel fueled automobiles. The 2013 VW Passat TDI with the 6-speed stick: 1,675 miles on 18.445 gallons = 90.81 mpg.

    What a drive in a fantastically fuel efficient mid-size with enough amenities to make anyone happy!

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2012
  10. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

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    :woot:

    Too bad about the fuel remaining being off but better than being off in the other direction I guess! And if a 2L D-segment car can get this, imagine what a 1.6L C-segment diesel will do ;)
     
  11. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

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    Outstanding!

    I noticed that you filled up at Murphy USA, my local NC "bench mark" station. Your $3.959 price was 5 cents/gallon higher than here an hour ago. Our regular E10 was $3.669/gallon.
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2012
  12. MoarMPG

    MoarMPG Member

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    Car display of 1651.9mi and fill up of 18.445 gallons comes to 89.5mpg and car showed 89.4mpg... not bad
     
  13. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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    Congratulations Wayne. Nice work.


    /any chance of collecting the SS data with the 6MT?
     
  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Carcus:

    I have some from last night on the way home as there was no wind but... It was on some rather heavy rolling terrain for the three higher speed segments (70, 65 and 60 mph) so they may be skewed a bit. I have them in the camera but have to clean the car right now as it's a mess.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2012
  15. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

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    Nice job Wayne. That is a great achievement.
     
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Jud:

    Thanks! I wish you were along as I could have used the company ;)

    Carcus, here is the 2013 VW Passat TDI with the 6-speed MT - Speed vs FE chart.

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    Temps were 57 - 59 degrees F with no wind. The readings were taken in southern IL on I-57 before and after midnight by setting the cruise control at the target speeds (per a portable Garmin, not the OEMspeedometer), resetting the aFCD and traveling a minimum distance of 18 miles (60 mph) and a maximum 33 miles (70 mph). Elevation at the time of initial aFCD reset and final displayed aFCD mpg was within +/- 5 ft ASL.

    I applied a 1.0158% offset (Displayed * 1.0158) to make up for both the mileage and aFCD display to actual.

    I did not apply a temperature compensation of 2.5% to the above to match up to 70 degrees F but even without, the speed FE results are spectacular! Add the temperature compensation or drive in 70 degree temps and you are darn near 50 mpg at 70 mph in a midsize sedan! Damn that's hot!

    Brandon, Mike and Chris, thanks for all your assistance with this drive.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2012
  17. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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    I thought the high speed would hold out pretty well. That would mean on a warm day and keeping the speed at 65 mph you'd be approaching 60 mpg -- nice.

    Thanks for that.
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Carcus:

    60 mpg at 65 mph might be a stretch as a warm and sunny 80 degree day would have most running the A/C knocking the results back a few.

    Wayne
     
  19. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I see 60 at 60 on that graph which is pretty good compare to the the average car sold today. :)
     
  20. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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    "Flip up" the sun roof and bring the right rear window down a few inches -- that airflow will be good to go into the mid 90's. (imo, anyway):cool:
     

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