2013 VW Passat TDI Pricing, Options and Specifications

Discussion in 'New Automobile Specifications' started by xcel, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    Hi All:

    A little out of sequence as this was day two with day three posted just above but I am caught up.

    2013 VW Passat TDI Review

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    Crossing back into IL after 460 + miles and turning North for the very first tail wind and 70 degree F temps for much of the day :)

    And it’s up State Rt 130 and Rt 45 through tens of small IL farm towns while heading back north…

    Trip 1 82.7 mpg - Tank 83.8 mpg at 457.4 miles out displayed at the Rest stop just across the IN/IL border.
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    Trip 1 87.4 mpg - Tank 85.7 mpg at 583.1 miles out displayed at the Corn Field Sample point.


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    Very poor corn conditions at this impromptu rest stop for the pup – No corn actually :(


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    See the local police cruiser laying in wait in the 35 mph PSL zone? We did not have to worry ;)


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    Trip 1 87.5 mpg - Tank 85.9 mpg at 622.9 miles out displayed. It is nearing sunset at this point and the tail winds are dissipating rapidly :(


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    While this Passat TDI can only run on up to 5% Bio-diesel, some of that Bio can come from this Soybean field.


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    The Passat TDI with the wind turbine and moon.​


    And the previously posted tank (Trip 2) when I got home the evening of day 2 with 9/16 of a tank still left.

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    86.1 mpg displayed after 782 actual miles​

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012
  2. MoarMPG

    MoarMPG Member

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    Wayne

    I'd love to see a video of you in action!! I have searched youtube for such videos and the closest is the CNN bit which was entertaining! But seeing you out on the road in action and anaylzing what was going on/strategy/thinking etc. I realize this would take quite a bit of effort/editing since a majority of the miles wouldn't be entertaining without talking, but I think it would be neat to see how you are actually able to achieve such numbers!
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Kurt:

    It would be 5-minutes of absolute terror intermixed amongst 30 minutes of total boredom followed by a lot of dumb pictures I like to take. And every once in a while talking to the dog when she needs a little attention ;)

    Inside my head I am usually trying to slowly steer the car around small road imperfections, cycling the displays, checking the six, considering quick hit alternates for instant escape, setting up for the proper place to re-accelerate, and what the appropriate gear would be for whatever speed and terrain I am traversing.

    While in the larger city's (ie. Chicago/Milwaukee), that is when it gets hairy but also the most satisfying because there is no time to triple and quadruple check your next action under those conditions. The best FE usually comes from those split second by split second decisions and actions while your hair is on fire in the heat of a “momentous” traffic battle if you can imagine that :rolleyes:

    That last part is pretty easy as the TDI has a lot of muscle down low and you do not need to be as careful under some circumstances as other non-hybrid and hybrids.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012
  4. RichXKU

    RichXKU Well-Known Member

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    I'm in for the terror!
     
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Rich:

    I somehow thought you would be ;)

    Wayne
     
  6. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

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    Hi Wayne, in my experience, the fuel gauge will read max somewhere between the first click and the spec capacity of 18.5 gal. So it will peg at max for a while until it gets below the predefined "full" amount, then once it's off of max, it's close to linear all the way down.

    Rich, I'm guessing a regen in my car would be around 0.1 gal. The Passat may use even less though and it sounds like that's the case based on Wayne's experience. Using SCR instead of EGR no doubt helps with that, and it could be a newer DPF design as well.
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    Hi Mike:

    Any insight as to the fuel left at the half way point and how much is left when low fuel arrives in a few days if I can get out and place some miles on her before they take it back on Monday?

    IIRC, she dropped to Full (just crossing the Full mark) at ~ 225 or 230 miles two days ago. Half arrived with 837.1 or 850 miles actual.

    TIA

    Wayne
     
  8. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Reminder of those wonderful memories over the decades of driving through the small towns on route 301 between Baldwin and Ocala Fl. :p
     
  9. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

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    Hi Wayne, this is from TDIClub:

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    Green is needle position in degrees, red is fuel level in L, blue is fuel sensor reading in ohms. Rough interpolation gives about 9.5 gal when the needle is around half. I don't know when low fuel arrives. But from the same thread where I found that, somebody had a DTE of 0 with about .75 gal left according to the fuel sensor. Hope that helps. Who knows what the production variances would be on this though.
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Mike:

    Thanks so much as always! While I do not know what the axis demarcations mean

    That 9.5 gallons at 1/2 a tank is what I will be using for the rest of the distance as I suspect the Passat TDI has an actual 19.1 gallon tank capacity allowing us as much as 1,700 miles if I were to draw it down to MT. It will be tough maintaining this high a tank average however as the temps and winds are all over the darn place here in northern IL right now :(

    We will see how the i30 Turbo Diesel does in even better conditions hopefully in February? You know what I mean ;)

    Wayne
     
  11. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

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    Y axis is ohms/L/angle in degrees depending on which variable you are looking at. I'm not too sure about the x-axis but I'm guessing it may be seconds as this was probably measured during a fill.
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    Hi Mike:

    Thanks!

    Wayne
     
  13. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

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    Wayne ...

    Remember our discusions of NEDC versus EPA and user MPG experience?

    Note that the UK Passat Saloon 2.0 TDI 140PS BlueMotion Diesel Technology S M6 is only NEDC rated 51.2/58.8 mpg(US) combined/highway [EDIT: You may have to activate this link twice to get vehicle data.]

    And then compared to EPA's 43 mpg highway.

    Of course ... your driving styles are NOT "average"!

    But >45% greater than NEDC highway ... even for you, says something, at least in my opinion.
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Houston:

    I will have to ask at the MAMA fall rally next week or the LA Auto Show in two months but I do not believe VW uses the same exhaust after treatment system for the Europeans as they do here? SCR is probably the same but Euro V and VI are not as stringent as the Tier II/Bin 5 so they may be able to tune the 2.0L TDI for better fuel economy over there?

    Also the European Passat is a smaller car in Europe and possibly weighs a little less although I did not look that up. The US EPA’s 35 mpgUS combined for the Passat TDI with a stick compared to the NEDCs 51 mpgUS is a huge 45% jump which seems over and above the standard NEDC to EPA offsets I have seen?

    Wayne
     
  15. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

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    I believe you are correct that the EU and US NOx abatement systems must be different since the UK recognizes 94.0 mgNOx/km [still Euro Step V] for their latest Passat. That is definitely NOT US compliant.

    Still, an NEDC 58.8 mpg(US) highway is far closer to what you are getting [in the 80s mpg "highway/mixed"] on your travels [on what I preceive to be routes with relatively small changes in elevation] compared to EPA's 43 mpg(US) highway for the 2013 Passat MT 2.0 TDI BlueMotion.

    To me that suggests that us meer mortals should be able to operate in the 60s mpg range with this machine and relatively minimal effort on US highways.

    In other words, NEDC ratings are less "punishing/negatively biased" than EPA ratings relative to user experience for these types of fuel frugal small displacement diesels ... provided one is not "drag racing" from stops ... just using the torque and transmission keeping RPMs as low as reasonably possible while getting "the job done".

    Does that sound reasonably correct?

    Any insight you can gather, whether next week or next year, would help us all understand these relationships better! Certainly a good thing ... and HIGHLY appreciated!!

    Oh, meant to ask, does this machine have up and down shift recommended indicators to assist those that are not hypermilers? If true, have you found them useful in your travels so far?
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2012
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Houston:

    I had to employ some heroic efforts tonight in an attempt to save what I have built so far and it did not work out at all given the temperature conditions. You will see that post in a minute.

    If I can complete this tank before they come and take the car away, I should have an aFCD and odometer offset and can then complete some steady state results when just setting CC and letting her rip. I am thinking there are a few 60 mpg data points ahead of it as 6th is tall enough and the diesel is efficient enough to allow just that.

    Regarding the NEDC, it is similar to the old EPA with minimal offsets, no high speeds, no A/C and no Cold temp additions. While I have never driven in Europe, many tell me it’s a bit more frantic over there than here. Not the real high speed stuff other than the Autobahn but the on/off nature and passing with no regard to law, order or reason. Diesel engines are apparently more forgiving to that kind of driving style (as they are in the real world here vs. the EPA) than the gasoline engines so who knows?

    The 2013 Passat TDI has the shift indicators and I find them useful as a warning in case I am in the wrong gear for a DWL cruise but most of the time when it flashes, it is telling me to downshift and rarely is that necessary in my drive of this large midsize so far.

    Wayne
     
  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: 2013 VW Passat TDI Specifications

    Hi All:

    Tonight’s drive was a cluster due to cold temperatures but it was an experiment I was looking forward to completing.

    2013 VW Passat TDI Review

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    80.8 miles displayed and 81.7 miles actual

    Total actual miles = 891.3 + 81.7 = 973.0 vs. 958.7 miles displayed or 1.492% miles under reported.

    The display(s)

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    Day 4 RT - Trip 1 - 81.4 mpg over 81.7 miles actual - Trip 2 (tank): 86.0 mpg over 958.7 miles - 973.0 miles actual.​

    Heading out I was driving into a 10 to 15 mph headwind and temps from 50 to 57 degrees F so I really took it easy. I arrived in South Milwaukee at 83.2 mpg. Coming back it was now dark with no wind and temps fell to a 45 to 50 degree range. AND the final was even worse then outgoing with the headwinds. Meaning the colder temperatures below 50 degrees really hammer the Passat hard and I do not believe it is the engine efficiency but the Continental ContiPro Contacts as they do not allow nearly the glide distance when its cold. With no sun baking the pavement and colder temps, I bet the RRc has increased by at least 30 + %?

    I am not sure how I am going to place at least 700 miles on it between now and when they pick it up on Monday but I had better come up with a plan and a warm one at that fast ;)

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2012
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi All:

    Shot the Downtown Chicago gauntlet with mixed success this time around as there was a 2-mile single lane stop and crawl on Rt. 41 prior to even hitting the city.

    2013 VW Passat TDI Review

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    First traffic mess on US-41 :(

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    In the thick of it in downtown Chicago.​


    I left home when temps rose above 60 and they were in the mid 60’s by downtown and low 70’s once I was south of the city and away from Lake Michigan.

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    Home to Albion, IL McDonald’s = 307 miles actual


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    Another DPF Regen and this one lasted 9 + darn miles :(


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    When there are no rest areas, you just stop where the pup has to stop ;)


    ¼ tank left was passed at or around 1230 miles displayed, 1,250 miles actual.

    2 of the 8 stops including the final for the night here in Albion, IL.

    Trip 1 - 87.7 mpg - Tank - 86.2 mpg - 1038 miles
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    Trip 1 - 91.1 mpg --Tank - 87.2 mpg - 1260.4 miles​

    973.0 miles actual + 307 miles actual = 1,280 miles actual or the OEM Odometer is under reporting actual miles traveled by 1.55%.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2012
  19. bethomas463

    bethomas463 Slow Rider

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    you could always roll out to rockfordbefore 1230 or huntley after 2 to build up some miles....car wash day tomorrow afternoon!
     
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    Hi Brandon:

    That might be a bit tough today as the Passat, the pups and I are about 300 miles south of your location right now ;)

    Mike, this is going to be closer than the 87.1 mpg tank would have us believe. I am guessing we are closer to 84 to 85 mpg right now but I do not know where DTE=0 arrives on the fuel gauge. I hope it arrives at E as then there is some breathing room? I have a state map, Atlas and Google Maps plus Intellicast forecasts all open while I sit inside this McDonald's waiting for temps to climb right now ;)

    Wayne
     

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