Let's rip off this band-aid!

Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by brick, Aug 17, 2012.

  1. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Yup, EPA city is 16, EPA highway is 25. I wouldn't have even considered one of these if I thought the 16 was realistic. Edmunds lists the curb weight at 3527 lb, which is a few hundred lighter than I thought. The AWD XC70 from the same year is listed as 4092 lb, which is probably why I was confused. (Is anyone else shocked that an AWD system adds over 500lb to the weight of a car?)

    Of course this tank is heading for the toilet after today's trip to the shop. Apparently the tech test drove it and then let it sit idling for something like a half hour to make sure the oil leak was gone. Gee, thanks.
     
  2. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Tim, I know it was tough choice to let the Prius go -- you sure stuck it out a long time with such uncomfortable ergonomics! I'm glad you've found something that suits you better and I'm sure that not only will you do your best to use as little fuel as you can get away with, you'll be on the look out for the next vehicle with similar benefits to your new V70 but efficiency more in line with the Prius you had to let go. :thumbs_up:
     
  3. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    What's worse is that AWD system eats up around 30% of the power between the engine and the wheels. IPD found this out when they built up an AWD T5. The engine was making over 400 HP when they got the car on a roller dyno it was making around 280 HP at the wheels. That is probably the main reason for the lower fuel economy.
     
  4. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    3527- wow-lighter than I guessed.
    500 lb AWD?? I wonder how much lighter the Honda Pilot FWD is VS AWD?
    I would guess 200-250 lbs or so-not 500 ??
    Honda used some sort of magnetically activated rear clutch/differential??
    Would never have guessed a rear drive shaft plus some sort of rear power take off- rear diff- couple of shafts to drive wheels- slightly stouter wheels/hubs would be 500 lbs??

    How much does it use at idle-.4 gph or so?-cheat add 5 miles to your distance! Wish I could figure a way to subtract my wife's miles from my SUV!
     
  5. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    My 2.9L uses .4 gallons per hour in gear and .3 gallons in neutral.
     
  6. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    ALS
    .3 per hour- pretty good!!
    My 5.7 drinks .6 AC off .7 AC on at idle-doesn't matter D or N.
    Pilot 3.5 was .4 and .5

    Charlie
    PS Didn't a Volvo SUV- forget which one-win a SUV of the year not too many years back?
    And didn't a ship full of them-sink soon after this award?? Yeah the SUV was well liked I think. Probably the same genes as that SW. Betting the Swedes know a thing or two about designing FWD vehicles to handle well on snowy icy roads-none of this "gotta have a 4x4 because of a little snow-ice-mud"
     
  7. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    .4 gph in gear and .3 gph in neutral is about what I see, too.

    The XC90 is the only true SUV that Volvo has ever made. They are pretty nice as SUVs go, but that's too far down the path of the dark side even for me. Edmunds lists the curb weight at 4751lb. HOW?!? A friend of ours has the V8 AWD version, and it gets a whopping 18mpg highway. We made a 90mi round trip in that thing once and I actually watched the gas gauge fall from full to nearly 1/2 tank. My wagon doesn't have the height, but it has at least as much interior footprint.
     
  8. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    18mpg hy- yikes my Huge ancient SUV gets 21 (epa 17).
    Yes that was the one-won an SUV or Truck of the year award from one of the big Moto Mags-expected good sales-and a container ship filled with them sank on the way to the USA!!
    It was a big upset-the award (not that the sinking wasn't)- because it was unibody (I think)and prior to that only "body on frame" SUVs were considered "real SUVs" by this mag.
     
  9. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Yup. It really is a nice truck aside from the gas mileage. It is comfortable, it drives well, it's genuinely safe...but for my family it would do roughly the same work while burning nearly 50% more fuel.

    Oh, on the topic of AWD. When the V70 died in 2010, I thought that was the end of big FWD Volvo wagons in the US. Not so! You can actually buy an XC70 (which is exactly my car but "ruggedized" and lifted) with FWD instead of AWD. It's too bad we can't have that with a 2.0L diesel. Or, you know, **mine** with a 2.0L diesel.

    The sales guy was joking that I would be the first person he called when they get the V60 PHEV. I think he knows that isn't happening.
     
  10. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Looked it up- XC90 2003 MotorTrend SUV of the year.
    Sept 18 2003-ship carrying 1800 Volvos destined for the USA sinks(rammed) in English channel-350 were XC90's.
    Motor Trend really sang it praises-gas was $1.60 and Motor Trend was Motor Trend-so mpg wouldn't have been a concern!
     
  11. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Advice, DO NOT touch an XC90 that was build in the first three years of production.
    Nightmare. Those built from 2005 and on are up to Volvo standards. Same advice applies to the 1999-2003 S80's don't touch one if you like your bank account.

    S60's there isn't a bad year, all are well built and reliable vehicles.
     
  12. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Hey
    Maybe that is why they sunk the 1st 350!
     
  13. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

  14. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    I completely flushed-out the transmission today. While not as easy as swapping fluid in the Prius or a normal manual box, it wasn't all that bad. Drain the case first, then refill with fresh fluid. Follow that by disconnecting transmission oil cooler return line and running that to the drain pan using a piece of half-inch clear tubing and a hose clamp. Then it's 3 or 4 cycles of running the engine and shifting through the gears followed by a ~2qt refill. Finally top-up the fluids, button it up, let it idle for 10-15 minutes to get the fluid up to the right temperature to check the level, adjust, and you are done. Keep your fingers crossed for no leaks at any of the fittings that you messed with.

    The fluid that came out was still red, definitely on the dark and cloudy side, but smelled perfectly fine. It actually didn't look worse that the ATF that I drained out of either Prius the first time at 45-50k. Shift quality hasn't changed in any noticeable way, which I take to be a good sign. I might have been concerned if things had gotten to a point where noticeable degradation had taken place.
     

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