Japan = China Syndrome?

Discussion in 'Emissions' started by Carcus, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

  2. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    so where is all that water going?
     
  3. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I'm sure some is evaporating, but the bulk of it is probably in the ground water.
     
  4. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    that means the last ditch retention pan under the reactor shell is cracked
     
  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    That's bad ... right?

    /So nice that our GE owned press reports almost zero on what's likely the worst ecological man made disaster in the course of human history.
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2012
  6. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    at least all those that drowned in the tsunami dont have anything to worry about
     
  7. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    How can it be worse than Chernobyl?? -
    not even in the same ballpark in respect to deaths/radiation release and land evacuated. How many deaths has the japanese screwup caused?? Pretty sure the Rooskies had close to 50 deaths in the early months- and 1000's of excess thyroid cancer cases since then( usually very treatable/curable)

    Didn't the Brits kill 4000 of there fellows in London ~1950-in just a few weeks-smog fog coal polluted air??

    To catch up with coal excess the Nuke Industry would have to literally NUKE many cities
    .

    Coal was/is much worse than NUKES in respect to killing people shortening lives.
    ALL COAL miners who worked before 1970 or so ended up with black lung-horrible lung distruction-short of breath-miserable. Many just ended up dead in cave ins explosions.Many-most worldwide-probably still do (China is a big coal user-probably fairly casual in respect to miner safety)

    If AGM is actually happening then there isn't much choice-NUKES or 1950 levels of power use. Look at building(schools) built in 1950-maybe 3 outlets per room-all on one wall.

    The nuclear industry in the USA really hasn't "killed" many people-maybe a few hundred miners back when.
     
  8. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    The Great Smog

    A re-assessment suggests up to 12,000 premature deaths. Note that they tend to say "premature death" not because death is inevitable, but because many of those killed already had serious respiratory diseases so wouldn't have lived much longer.

    The London air is still black-scum-in-the-nostrils dirty now, but that's now due to all the old diesels and it should, gradually, improve as the older diesels get retired.
     
  9. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    My understanding is that the Fukushima impact (like Chernobyl) will go on for decades, and that Fukushima has much more radioactive material in jeapardy.
     
  10. waltermlee

    waltermlee Well-Known Member

    It's not likely that the Japanese Nuclear Plants will experience a complete meltdown - aka China Syndrome but it is still venting/emitting/leaking radioactive material which is a very bad thing.

    Some of the water use to cool the reactor is vented/emitted into the atmosphere as water vapor along with fine radioactive particules. Scientist have tracked the radioactive emission far inland to ice caps/mountain streams. Scientist have also found that the radioactive waste in silt deposit which travel along the tidal and undewater current on the coast of Japan (over hundred miles away from the nuclear plant) which is a function of the topographic characteristics of the ocean floor. Local fisheries haven't been able to fish because of the contamination levels.

    It's been a epic-scale disaster for Japan. :(
     
  11. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Laughable to compare this to Chernobyl
    And they-Japanese-are already selling and eating seafood from the area-squid or octapus.

    ItsNotAbout-12,000 huh?? Yeah and most of the reason they had preexisting lung disease is they were living in a sooty man-made hellhole.
    So London STILL has filthy air-60 years later??
    We-USA- smartened up in the late 1960's-maybe 10-15 years after our "great smog" in some city in Penn. or some other smoke state state-steel town I think.I think we only killed 100 or so in that event.

    Are the Japanese going to send in some sort of robot to collect that nuclear material??
    Heck it is valuable-should be worth salvaging-reprocessing??
    Should be cheaper than monitoring cooling it for hundreds of years??
     
  12. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

  13. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

  14. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    This Nuclear nightmare the Japanese have on their hands is your typical bureaucratic FUBAR.

    There was so much cost cutting and phonied maintenance paperwork out of that plant it wasn't going to take much to see a scenario like this happening. What amazes me is how the Japanese Government appears to be dragging its feet on fixing this major environmental problem they have.
     
  15. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Its nothing new, there is something odd about the Japanese nuclear safety culture.. probably too many Godzilla movies.
     
  16. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Japanese aren't into ratting out their employers or bosses.
    In the USA when we dislike our employer fall out with a boss- or our company or X wife X boyfriend we start looking for payback.
    Heck we have whistleblower laws that PAY YOU to be a rat!! Doubt the Japanese have anything like that!!
    USA Convicts make such a big deal over Rats- because they are all rats and they want to trick their fellow CONVICTS into be too slow on the rat out!!
    If their (Japanese) culture was more adversarial would they have not have gone to war with the USA. Some underling would have told their boss- Very Bad Idea.-
    Japanese just don't understand ratting, revence, and payback! Too much co-operation too little hate!!
    This doesn't apply to non japanese-they were more racist than we were in WW2(and that is saying something)- they had no problem hating non japanese(ask the Chinese or Koreans).

    Dangerous industries need truely adversarial people working in them and regulating them!!
    Japanese are too polite!
     

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