Prius c Sales Off To a Great Start

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by xcel, Mar 16, 2012.

  1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    As the EPA says, YMWV. I think you need to take one for a test drive.

    It seems to be an EPA buster: owners are reporting great city mileage and Wayne has showed what it's capable of on the highway.

    The Two is cheaper by over $2,500 compared to the 2010 liftback II and $4,000 compared to the 2012 liftback Two. The few amenity losses are not significant for many people.

    Some people have been waiting for this car for years now.

    Fun facts: the 2012 Prius c Two has EPA ratings that are better than the CAFE ratings of the 2003 Prius and it costs less in absolute price.
     
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi John:

    Regarding the CR-Z, it is tough to pull 60's out on the Interstate. Real tough and more work than anyone would care for the entire time they owned the vehicle. The Prius c while not perfect can be driven to better highway fuel economy than any of the Prius’. The slow speed around town stuff is just as impressive but I did not have a chance to let her loose in that arena… YET ;) There is only one car currently available that can be driven to the c’s level of fuel economy and that is a 12 Honda Civic with a stick pulling out every advanced technique in the toolbox. A level that again only a few in the world would put themselves or the vehicle through. Around town, the c is going to eat the Civic up and spit it out.

    Where the c is probably going to fall vs. the 1.8L equipped Prius hatch, HCH-III and Civic HF is at higher speeds or those that drive with a heavy foot. The 1.5L works hard during any kind of aggressive accelerations. More so than most any other vehicle. While the aggressive journalists were behind the wheel pulling > 50 around downtown San Diego with 15% grades and all, it is the on-ramp WOT and higher speed Interstate where the 1.5L “could” get into trouble. I only had two hours on my own to drive 20 miles north of San Diego, find a gas station to top off, drive the almost 60-mile RT loop and head back to downtown San Diego to give back the keys. There was simply not enough time to get any steady state or city numbers where the c would probably be harmed and shine respectively.

    What the c means for all of us? The first truly affordable hybrid for the masses. A hybrid that is not that much more expensive than the B-Segment vehicles it is competing against and one that as they are purchased will begin to save fuel by huge amounts going forward. The Prius was an answer but the price increases in recent years have taken it off the table of those that really need it. The c is now that answer although it will be a while before they are affordable enough given the $1,000 Market adjustment crap some unscrupulous Toyota dealerships are placing on them. Word of advice, do not shop at a dealership that adds a single$ to the cost. That means pinstripes, rust proofing, protective coats or even N2 in the tires!

    Wayne
     
  3. atlaw4u

    atlaw4u Well-Known Member

    I was surpised to see a "C" in Durango Colorado yesterday. At first, I thought it was an updated Yaris but after closer inspection - it was a Prius. I just hope dealers don't mark up the C like many have done with the Prius.
     
  4. RichXKU

    RichXKU Well-Known Member

    Just went on a test drive with a friend yesterday who is looking to replace a Forester XT. It's a very impressive car with more leg room than I expected in the back, though we are all under 6 foot.
    The 32psi tires and cold engine test loop with at least 510 lb of passengers netted 42.5 on the display, which was impressive for his driving.

    Make sure you test drive the trim with the size wheels you want as we did, since the 16" wheel package has a different steering rack and feel, and he is only interested in the 15's.
     
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Rich:

    I would highly recommend staying away from the 16” alloys even though they do look nicer. The turning radius is 6’ more than the 15’s and takes away one of the highlights of the c in that it can really turn on a dime. When properly equipped.

    2012 Prius c Specifications

    Wayne
     
  6. bnther

    bnther Well-Known Member

    I sooo want one!
     
  7. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    I did a double take when comparing turning radius of Prius C to reg Prius, on Toyota Canada website: 10.4/34.1 (meters/feet) for reg Prius, vs 4.8/15.7 for the C. And then with our Touring with 17" wheels, it's even a bit more. I'm always grousing about tight parking lot dimensions, LOL.

    It's nice to here the C's in-dash milage may be accurate. I think PIP owners are also finding this.

    Locally I've been seeing ads for Prius C and V but not for plain Prius. I would guess this reflects availabity.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2012
  8. RichXKU

    RichXKU Well-Known Member

    You are absolutely right. And the c with 15's didn't seem to have that slow of a rack (especially by Toyota standards). The tighter radius will be much more convenient day to day.
     
  9. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Toyota USA's site lists the Prius c's curb-to-curb turning radius as 31.4'. Still better than the Prius, but it's not turning on the spot. ;)
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Colin:

    I am sure we have driven a few vehicles that may have had a tighter turning radius including possibly the smart fortwo but you can U-turn this little beauty easily within a streets width with room to spare. The 16” wheel equipped c, not so much.

    Wayne
     
  11. RichXKU

    RichXKU Well-Known Member

    For comparison my 07 Fit was 34.4 feet and the CRZ is 35.4 and I thought that was pretty tight. (both literally and the slang term Wayne hears while driving a Veloster with stripes)

    Back to the 'c'.
    Prius c with 15" wheels: 3.02 turns lock-to-lock
    with 16" wheels: 2.28 turns lock-to-lock
    Standard Prius: 3.7 turns lock to lock (That is a @#$^* school bus steering rack!!)
    Prius with optional 17": 2.8 turns lock-to-lock.

    That's a pretty big difference now that I looked it up. Coming from the 2.41 and 2.48 turns L2L of my Hondas it would turn into a tough call even with 6 ft wider turning circle if I was shopping for one.
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Rich:

    You are going to see much smaller ratio racks moving forward as the entire Toyota and Lexus lineup moves toward a more driver oriented steering feel. These tighter racks certainly help and Toyota is getting their EPS dialed in for better road feel. It is still a bit lazy with the c and v but they are getting better.

    At some point, wait until you drive the 2013 Lexus GS450h. That thing is a point and shoot monster by comparison to anything Toyota or Lexus has ever released. It bests the BMW 5-series by a touch and annihilates the Mercedes E-Class.

    Wayne
     

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