Toyota's All New Hybrid c

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by atlaw4u, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Will a bike fit in your GLC ? When I had my GLC I didn't have or ride a bike.
    That's pretty impressive. I have carried mine around on a trunk-mounted rack , but only one day (45 miles ) last year. I'm too aware of the increased drag. I may see if I can fit my bike inside my Civic to go explore some new territory this year. Then 50MPG is possible.
    That was off-topic , sorry. I'm REALLY interested in the Prius c !
     
  2. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    We don't know yet what the c will actually do on the road - it may offer better mpg than the "p". But from the EPA ratings it appears to have been designed more for price point and city mpg than for overall mpg:
    - if you don't need the extra space of the "p" you can save about $5000 and get the same overall mpg as a "p"
    - also, it slots nicely in between the Yaris and the "p", not going head to head with either price-wise; a higher overall mpg might have raised the cost to the point where it would be too close to the "p"
    - it does go head to head with the Insight-II

    From Toyota's POV this all makes sense. From my POV the "p" suits my boat-hauling needs perfectly, something smaller probably wouldn't work.
     
  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    In $$$ , yes. But the few Honda faithful who have kept the Insight alive these last two years will be looking long and hard at the c. I'm a Honda guy , but I would buy the c over the Insight in a heartbeat.
    And who calls the original/current Prius the "p" ? I thought I heard (read about)
    a Toyota exec refer to it as the "Liftback". I'm sure they will sort out the names of all Prii by the time the c is actually on the market.
     
  4. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    We do. Earlier in this thread:
    I wish Toyota would get their Prius nomenclature figured out. We've had numbers, Roman numerals, spelled-out numbers, and now lowercase letters. Jeez.

    And to avoid owner self-esteem issues, there is no such thing as a Prius 1. Or I. Or One. Apple probably owns the "iPrius" designation.
     
  5. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Yes. One bike easily, even with fenders. Two 60 cm bikes (and corresponding extra passenger and gear) inside are a little more work, especially if they both have fenders. The front wheel has to come off the one on top.

    Anybody can make up his or her silly home-made nickname for the standard Prius. Since Toyota wants to transform "Prius" from the name of a specific model to the name of a whole family of models, Toyota needs to come up with a model name for the original, so everybody can agree on what to call the thing. However, if the best they can come up with is "Liftback," I might choke on that one.
     
  6. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    Yes anybody can, but nobody did. And until Toyota gets around to supplying a model name it's useful to have something to call it. Doesn't matter if it's silly, handy is more important.
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi John:

    Toyota is defining the “regular” or “standard” Prius as a “liftback” but I despise the name so much I remove any instance of it in any of my write-ups and call it the Prius or Hatch instead. The c is the c and the v is the v. And of course you have the v-2, v-3 and v-5 to make it that much more confusing on the new ones.

    I was so used to -I for the first gen, -II for the second and then Toyota renamed the third Gen with I, II, III, IV and V :confused: so I end up creating my own nomenclature to sort it all out. I can deal with c, v, PHEV and Prius-I, -II and –III or third gen but our friends in Torrance will insist on liftback for the hatch from now on. I just do not like the word liftback as it sounds like something a snake needs, a broken horse wants or something else???

    The c however has better sightlines than some may believe. I will try and remember to take a vid from the seat with a turn around so everyone has an idea as to what the sightlines are like. With the actual liftgate vs. the hatch, there is more upright room and better sightlines so bikes may fit better and the viewing experience should be better for most. The Prius-III knocks off the top of my sightline when looking through the split window too so it has a double whammy against it. The C appears to get rid of both of these issues just as the v does for me.

    Above, I only stated the 53/46 numbers. I suspect it will kick the Prius in the teeth when let loose given that is what the Prius-II did but we will have to find out later this month when we get to actually drive the consumer variants in San Diego. I have high hopes simply because I liked the v so much. The c is like a small v for a lot less $’s.

    Wayne
     
  8. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    And to make things even more confusing, isn't the C is a hatchback, too, with a hatch that lifts open? I agree about disliking "liftback." Such foolish terms arise because Toyota and other manufacturers are so obsessed with avoiding calling a hatchback a hatchback, or calling a station wagon (e.g., the v) a wagon.

    If the C doesn't work, I'll have to consider an Accent-Rio, or 2nd generation Prius.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2012
  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    My brain tells me to buy a c. My left foot and right hand tell me to buy a Fiesta or Yaris MT. Decisions , decisions.
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ed:

    Did you read the 2012 Rio 5-door preview for yet another excellent B-Segment choice?

    Wayne
     
  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I certainly did read it ! The Rio hatch 6MT is another strong possibility. The Accent is nice but I like a smaller car. Okay.......... the Rio looks cooler.

    By the way, my dad is Ed. Please call me Edwin ? Thanks.
     
  12. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Personally I'd go for the Accent over the Rio. You can get an Accent with PW/PDL for $15,300. If you want those options on the Rio, my understanding is you have to step up TWO trim levels to the EX, and you're talking $16,500. More than I just paid for a family station wagon from Hyundai, BTW.

    I haven't driven the V (don't want to be tempted - it'd cost well in excess of $10k more than my Touring did), but I did check out one out on the dealer lot when they first showed up a couple months ago. Not only is the cargo space generous, but I looooove the sliding rear seats (same as in the xA). Every wagon and hatch should have this feature!
     

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