Toyota's All New Hybrid c

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by atlaw4u, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I'm very excited about this car, even if I am a little disappointed in the numbers. As the FE driver of the family, and one who doesn't drive every day, I get saddled with the larger family car while my wife gets the little commuter car. If that weren't the case, this would top my list of potential commuter cars.

    • Prius-like EPA rating and probably good for considerably better than the larger Prius in my real-world urban/suburban driving.
    • Smaller and easier to park than the standard Prius, but still retaining decent hatchback cargo capability.
    • Better rear visibility than the regular Prius.
    • Presumably better handling than the regular Prius.
    • Priced within $1k of the base Insight.

    The Insight would be near the top of my theoretical list as it is, but of course it has a Honda battery pack (long term reliability = ?) and one that is too small for effective FASing at suburban stoplights. I understand Toyota has made some compromises to get the price down -- let's just hope they didn't cheap out quite as severely as Honda did on the Insight.

    And while I'm not a commuter-car candidate for the foreseeable future, my wife may be. She fell in love with the Prius when she drove one a couple years ago. She would never go for an Insight, but I could see her getting excited about this car.
     
  2. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    The relatively high bottom of the glass in the pictures seems a bit of concern to my wife as the rear and rear-side visibility is her key objection to the Prius p.
     
  3. aca2983

    aca2983 Well-Known Member

    If it handled well I'd consider it. I still don't like gauges in the middle of the dash. Or, more accurately "driver information" since these aren't gauges.
     
  4. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

  5. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Well, not quite HSD. It reads like it's a double-clutched power split.

    Joy. With so many PHEVs coming this year and next that 2015 target isn't looking quite so outlandish.
     
  6. twest

    twest New Member

    I haven't been this disappointed since the EPA MPG numbers for the volt were released over a year ago. I was hoping the highway MPG would be closer to the Gen I insight, and an overall MPG closer to 60 mpg. A drag CD of 0.028 is too high.

    But it will sell well, as a lot of people have been wanting a sub $20,000 prius.
     
  7. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    The Prius C is just too stubby to do better, they would have to lower the roof quite a bit. Tall drivers would complain.
     
  8. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I agree, but unfortunately almost all cars are rear-visibility challenged compared with their forebears these days. Most hatchbacks and wagons now have really wide rear pillars, often combining the C and D pillars into a single view-blocking slab. And small sedans seem to have much smaller rear windows too, thanks to taller trunks. At least the latter change provides a functional benefit, unlike the wide pillars.

    The c should be better than the p, but of course the other problem on the c is a very wide rear pillar, which will make merging to the right tricky in some situations, especially when you have entrance ramps merging in from the right -- already a hazard in both of our current cars.

    As would those of us who actually carry stuff in back. What saves the Insight is a relatively long (33") cargo area, something the Prius C likely won't have.
     
  9. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    They need to improve the aerodynamics: close the upper grill, smooth wheels, wheel strakes, smoother underside, extend and fine tune the Kamm back, narrow the rear track...

    They should make it a plugin with a 6-10kWh lithium pack, make the electric motor more torquey and shrink the ICE to a 1-1.3L. I'd simplify the modes a bit: give it all EV up to 50MPH and use the ICE for either charging the battery only, or directly powering the wheels at highway speeds.
     
  10. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Basjoos, I would LOVE to see you give a Prius C the full aero treatment! Then Wayne would stop worrying about your safety, too. ;)
     
  11. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Why do they keep chopping of the back end of hatchbacks so short? It's not like the equivalent sedan's extra length makes it unwieldy - most are still in the compact/subcompact category. Around here parking spaces are big enough for crew cab trucks, so pretty much anything will fit. I don't really see the benefit to making it so short.
     
  12. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

  13. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I think most of the hatchbacks are designed with other markets in mind. Fiesta, Focus, Golf, etc for Europe. Prius c, Fit, etc for Japan? Space may be more of a premium there.
     
  14. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    True, especially about Japan. Still, Ford sells a wagon "across the pond" alongside the hatch while only offering the hatch here.
     
  15. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    "Americans don't like wagons". So we get lovely stuff like the Crosstour and the 5-series GT :confused:
     
  16. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    :rolleyes: at both of those. At least hatches are making some progress. It's better than nothing.
     
  17. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Well, if you want a longer car there's the regular Prius. We often parallel park several times per day, so inches matter. When we go to NW Portland, we often take the Golf instead of the wagon because, at about a foot shorter, it'll fit in many spaces that won't fit larger vehicles and are getting passed up by most people. Often can save blocks of extra walking.

    That said, and as you know, we also need a longer vehicle and I'm very concerned about having a car with plenty of cargo space. That's why I'm glad they also make the regular Prius and now the v.
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dan:

    Have you checked out the v yet? It is one I thought you of all the people on the CleanMPG forum would like the most.

    Regarding the c, it is what it is. An entry B-Segment with a 50 mpg rating and less than $20K to start. Base Prius' are $24K now with local Toyota dealers providing $2K on the hood.

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2012
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  20. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I agree that that's frustrating. Another reason they chop off hatchbacks is weight control, I believe. Hatchbacks (and wagons) tend to be heavier than corresponding sedans (or lacking in structural rigidity, in the case of some past models), when their length is about the same. The longer hatchbacks (e.g., regular Prius, mid-00's Elantra, old Saabs, old Chevrolet Citation) are or were a lot more useful for hauling stuff, though.

    Such excuses aside, the C won't get my $$ if a fully assembled bike won't fit in it as easily as in my old hatchback.
     

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