Welcome to CleanMPG

Discussion in 'Start Your Journey Here' started by tbaleno, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. oldguy3939

    oldguy3939 Member

    Hi all.
    I read about this site in mother jones news.
    Being nosey, I had to come a check it out.
    I like what I see so far.
    Most of my cars donot lend themselves well to fuel milage.

    An 06 mustang GT, 24 mpg on the highway, 18-19 in town. But this should improve as the car only has 4500 miles on it.
    a 99 mustang convert. 3.8 V6 auto. it's getting about the same as the GT in town.

    My work car is a 88 ford Taurus. Hey it don't owe me anything. 3.0 V6, It stays around 20 mpg. I have a lot of work related "stuff" so I am hauling around extra weight.
    I live in Las Vegas NV. So my commute is not the same all the time.

    Anyway, This looks interesting.
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Oldguy:

    ___We can make that Mustang or Taurus sing any way you want :D Back in 88 through 98 (before I knew anything about hypermiling, the old Sable LS was good for around 35-36 through a mostly highway jaunt and high 20’s around town. Today, anything less then 35 in most any weather condition would be unthinkable.

    ___Just remember your FE is only limited to what you really want to get out of those two Ford’s up to and including 2.5 - 3X’s EPA for traffic less short jaunts. The Ranger below picked up her 37 + lmpg while hauling around landscape trailers for some of her miles and I am sure you are now imagining what your Stang and Taurus are really worth once we get you through Hypermiling Boot Camp :)

    ___Good Luck

  3. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Welcome oldguy

    The stangs and sedan should come up a bit mpg wise if you use some of the idea's here. I guess the biggist and must important ones are slowing down and lighting up on the throttle. They are my demons.

    In my experiance the high hp sleds seem to have always rewarded me with better mpg on the hwy. Slowing down just a tad, letting the engine relax and pull or push the car with out excitement has worked well for me in the past.

    A member here has a vette and has reported high 20 mpg tanks if not 30 mpg tanks on the hwy by just slowing down and basecilly little the car run down the hwy just off idle. :) a high gear and a large v-8 equal just loffing along. :)

    Have fun
  4. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger



    I'm thinking of the French proverb: "The more things change - the more they stay the same"

    Had a 1974 Opel Manta subcompact 30 years ago - think of Yaris or Fit-sized car. It got 20mpg on five-mile trips, 30mpg on 50-mile highway trips. Getting a 1974 Civic with a standard and it had over double the fuel economy and more acceleration (no automatic fluid transmission).

    I see progress as you have a substantially larger car that can beat that 1974 Opel Manta. :)
  5. 161horsepower

    161horsepower New Member


    I'm new to this forum and sought it out when I realized how fantastic my mileage was after I applied Wayne's techniques (Mother Jones) to my driving, in addition to those I already used. Right now, in the cold winter months in Green Bay, WI, with running the engine awhile in the morning before I take it out on the 55 mph highway outside my house, I'm getting 30 mpg town and 41 mpg hwy in my non-hybrid manual, 2005 4 cyl Accord.

    I have yet to use high tire inflation (need to keep good traction around here on the snow) and I don't go extra slow, but I am driving engine off when I can, coasting, drafting behind semis on the highway, planning ahead for stops, etc. Just the usual.

    I have 2 questions for the group--typically how much does it cost to get a mpg guage installed in a Honda? and how much faster does a starter wear out, typically, if you are shutting your engine off at stops and can't roll to get it going again?

    Look forward to chatting!
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi 161:

    ___Welcome to CleanMPG! I take keen interest in the new members as they develop and especially since your make and model choice is so similar to mine. You have a great ride if I do say so myself :D

    ___What most here will recommend is a Scangauge II. There is a Group Buy over at Priuschat as we speak. I should probably start one here as it is the most important tool in the toolbox for most of the non-hybrid drivers and even some of the hybrid drivers in fact! From there, try to apply the hypermiling techniques you learn and become skilled with while out on desolate roadways to your normal everyday driving routine. Owning an Accord with a stick while SG-II equipped is about as close to nirvana as one could ask for from a true mid-sized sedan imho ;)

    ___About the starter … I have over 75K miles on my own with maybe 18,000 starts and re-starts to date without issue. I did replace the OEM 12V w/ a higher CAP Optima Yellow-Top about 6 months ago but not because it was shot (it was well within its OEM CCA capability as tested), it was my consummate belief that if you are not accelerating or at steady state cruise, the ICE should be off in most instances. With the lights on at night, the smallish OEM was not quite ready to be put through the test I was asking of it on a daily basis :( Once SG-II equipped, you are going to see some spectacular numbers this summer from your stick equipped Accord I can guarantee!

    ___Feel free to ask whatever questions you would like and we will see if we can’t help get those numbers up even higher.

    ___Good Luck

  7. g33x0r

    g33x0r New Member

    Hello everyone,

    I dont' have a hybrid ('98 Ford Escort sedan) but I like the idea of this site. I'm somewhat of a technical dude. Have my BS in CS and I work in IT, and am interested in all things techie and scientific. I do have a question, I haven't looked at a lot of different threads yet, but is this hyper miling thing doable with a non-hybrid? I'm waiting to see what is going to come out in the next couple of years before I buy a hybrid or fully electric car. My handle is just geek talk for "geek", I use it for all my forum accounts, but my name is Ryan, doesn't matter what you call me as long as it's not bad lol. I live in Oregon, near Salem, work in Salem so I drive over 10 miles to work every day and my wife does too. She has a Pacific with a V6 that gets around 18-19 on average so I'm definitely interested in increasing the milage any way we can.

    - Ryan
  8. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger


    Although hybrids have made hypermiling more popular, people have been doing it as far back as the 1930's. While the term was not yet coined, it was described in a Reader's Digest article in the 1970's
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ryan:

    ___Welcome to CleanMPG!

    ___Hypermiling techniques are just applicable to non-hybrids just as they are to hybrids ;) In some cases, a non-hybrid owner has an advantage (high speed FAS’ing above 40 mph in many Non-hybrids vs. a built in Glide/Warp Stealth in a Prius II or EV-Glide in an HCH-II as two examples) but hybrids will always yield more when pushed then the non-hybrids depending on type of car being discussed given their design.

    ___Our future is almost guaranteed to be all-electric and is only a matter of time. Gasoline is far to energy consuming from an energy balance standpoint vs. an EV on electricity. Think of gasoline as an energy carrier similar to the way H2 is for a Fuel Cel Vehicle today. Pumping the raw crude, transporting to a pump site, pump to the refinery, refine, transport to the station and pump back into your tank … a gallon of gasoline consumes just as much electricity for the same miles traveled as never pumping the stuff out of the ground to begin with. If instead we used that electricity to drive a BEV or PHEV, we would be ahead of the game in so many areas. Very strange that we are stuck with this completely upside down method of transport until the Battery packs become a tad more robust and/or inexpensive enough for the general populations consumption. I personally cannot wait :D

    ___Good Luck

  10. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    While it might look like this site is heavy on hybrids, you will notice in the mileage logs section the hybrid/non hybrid entries are about equal.

    Welcome to CleanMPG!
  11. ArtFox

    ArtFox Member

    Hello fellow enthusiasts!

    I suppose I am neutral in the sense that I own both a 5sp TDI and CVT HCH.
    I even have a 1987 Mercedes Turbo Diesel wagon destined for SVO conversion.

    My wife commutes in the Honda Hybrid and is squeezing 48mpg.
    I drive the VW Jetta TDI wagon and average about the same.

    Mods include a ScanGauge II and passenger rear mirror removal for the VW.
    Shopping for new tires for the HCH as the car was purchased used with new non-OEM
    Goodyear Assurance M+S P185/70R14 on it.
  12. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger


    Don't worry about diesel and hybrids - both are definitely welcome here. :)
  13. ArtFox

    ArtFox Member


    Say DF... if you reference "Delta" in your forum name and live that close to DFW, you wouldn't happen to be a pilot would you? :)

    Now to work on my automated signature for these postings
  14. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    No - it's a reference to the "hot rod" shuttle in Star Trek: Voyager. Tuvok got on to Paris for wanting bling-bling tails on the shuttle. :D Just thought is would be funny if a 24th century shuttle was named after a 20th century car - why not name a 21st century car after that shuttle?
  15. diamondlarry

    diamondlarry Super MPG Man/god :D

    I just saw an episode a few nights ago where the Delta Flyer had to come to the rescue of Voyager. And, it was piloted by Janeway!:D
  16. ArtFox

    ArtFox Member


    I grew up in Plano and Frisco before moving up to the midwest in the late '70s.
    My father was an airline pilot out of DFW. That is why I asked.

    This is also an excuse to check if my signature is working :D
  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi ArtFox:

    ___Welcome to CleanMPG and by your sig, I see you are doing quite well with your TDI! One of these days I want to get my hands on one for a longer term drive just to see how the SG-II reacts to the Fuel Pressure and FE parameters as well as see what she can do at various accel rates and steady state speeds. In other words you have a heck of a vehicle that this old hypermiler has great respect for ;)

    ___Whereabouts in SE Wi. do you live as I live just south of Kenosha myself. The Milwaukee Hybrid Group is having a meet in Oak Creek this weekend (I have to work unfortunately but am thinking about sneaking up there for the first ½ hour or so before having to depart) and I am sure you would enjoy the group and the gathering.

    ___Chuck, this one is for you …

    Deflector Shields for Spacecraft a Reality?

    “Scotty, we need more power to the forward deflector shields” :D

    ___Good Luck

  18. oleblue

    oleblue New Member

    Hello All,

    I have just returned from Lunch and filling my forth tank of gas in 2007 Yaris Liftback. I used the tips and I have read on here and got 44.48MPG this tank. The best I had gotten prior to that was 40.9MPG. I drive pretty easy most of the time anyway. But I must admit this was fun. I have a 65mile commute everyday. I would guess my rural/highway split to be 30/70.

    Thanks to all for the info.

    How do I start logging my mileage? I see the mileage logs link, but not where to add new ones in.
  19. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    Click the mileage logs link, then click the link on the page that says Add Vehicle.
  20. brucepick

    brucepick Well-Known Member

    I have to admit I'm a bit jealous of you folks with truly high FE cars, adding a tank to the log maybe once a month. I top off daily as a way to get FE feedback data without SG2.

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