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Discussion in 'Start Your Journey Here' started by tbaleno, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. djeff

    djeff Member

    Hello Everyone

    This is my first post and i am always reading about the latest PHEV BEV or Hybrid. I own a 2009 Honda Civic Hybrid and am constantly reading about new PHEV's and conversions that are on the market. I considered an Engineer conversion for my Civic Hybrid but was told the MPG increase would only be about 20% so i am going to sell it or trade it in.
    It is a very nice car but i really want at least some all electric potential.

    I am 95% finished installing Solar panels on the roof of my house. I have also recently considered a low miles 2010 Ford Fusion and converting that to a plugin which Engineer says they have seen it hit 100 MPG and is capable up to 47 mph on electric only with the conversion.

    I have test drove the Leaf which is a fantastic car but i need more range. I am trying to test drive the Volt as well. I also test drove the Infiniti M35H which is an awesome luxury car but it burns premium which is a deal breaker for me.
    I will soon test drive the Lexus CT200H but being a hatchback, the conversion will not be as clean as it would be in a trunk. The one thing nice about the Lexus CT200H is the quick exhaust gas recirculation warm up for up for Canada's winters.

    The Prius PHEV is a possibility for me to purchase but when will we see it Canada?

    I have been following the Honda PHEV development and it looks better than the Prius PHEV on paper but Honda Canada is not sure if they will bring it to Canada. I intend to write Honda Corporate Canada and encourage them to introduce it to Canada at the same time they do release it in the states. Instead of a conversion a factory built PHEV seems a more simple method to get that city electric only operation. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated in an ongoing research project of mine.

    Merrry Xmas everyone
  2. prius1764

    prius1764 New Member

    Hello, thank you for let me be part this forum. My car is 08 Toyota prius. Thank you again:).
  3. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Welcome to CleanMPG.

    A good place to start is to read the CleanMPG Primer. It links to many different articles about hypermiling as well as information about this site.
  4. Raacer566

    Raacer566 New Member

    Hi everyoneeee

    I got my driving license like a few months ago, driving Audi A4 atm and thinking of better model in near future :) I hope I will fit here ha ha
  5. mattsmithorama

    mattsmithorama New Member

    I am in my mid 30's. I drive an 04 Nissan X-terra 3.3 atm(because i got a good deal, and i like it) my wife drives an 01 Honda Odyssey 3.5 atm(someone gave it to us, and we like it as well).

    I found this site because I am tired of spending so much money on gas, and I want to do the best i can with what i have. As hybrids become more and more common, i intend to find one that fits my needs in the future, but for now I do not have the funds to make the switch.

    I believe cars work best in stock condition, and intend to see how deep the rabbit hole goes through changing my driving habits.

    I do mostly city driving. I live 4 miles from where i work. I would ride a bike more often, but i have to take my kids to school so i need to drive. My wife is a home maker, and sells antique furniture as a money bring-er in-er. She mostly drive around town as well.

    We do make an occasional trip of 250 miles one way to see family, and i am excited to see how these techniques impact our wallet there as well. The tough factor will be slowing down with kids that are anxious to see grandma in the back seat!

    Thats about it for me, any helpful hints are welcome, for now I am kissing my worry of speeding tickets goodbye!
  6. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Welcome to CleanMPG! Begin by reading Beating the EPA and feel free to ask questions as you learn the language and begin to explore the various techniques we use.

    Here are the EPA numbers for your cars:
    2004 Nissan X-Terra 3.3L A/T 2wd - 15/20, 17 combined
    2004 Nissan X-Terra 3.3L A/T 4wd - 15/19, 16 combined
    2001 Honda Odyssey 3.5L A/T - 16/23, 18 combined

    With some basic vehicle setup and changes in driving style (and routes, in some instances), you will reach and eventually surpass these ratings.

    Any car or truck will respond to even simple changes. A friend of mine with a 2008 Hyunda SantaFe 3.3L A/T AWD (EPA rating 17/24, 19 combined) was lamenting the 13.5mpg average in the dash display of the car. He was sure something was wrong with it. I added air to the tires and took him on a city/highway loop and the average ended at over 27. A 100% improvement over their current average, and well over the EPA. Learning what I taught him, he drove home that night and ended up around 26mpg.

    For any heavy V6 vehicle:
    - Keep it moving: Avoid stopping at lights by coasting and adjusting speed so they're green when you reach the intersection. Change routes as needed to avoid stop signs that require you to stop and find alternates that have traffic lights that can change to green as you approach.
    - Treat the brake pedal as if it were smeared with sewage. Every time you press the brake pedal - even to slow down - you are converting kinetic enery to heat on the brake rotors.
    - Slow down. On highways or roads with speed limits over 45, best travel speed is the slowest that the car will hang onto top gear (overdrive). Going over 60mph will hurt. Go over 65mph and it really hurts.

    There is much to learn, but start with the three tips above and you will see immediate improvement. And that will provide the motivation to dig deeper to provide further increases in fuel economy.
  7. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Might I add a couple of things to those? :D

    What I refer to as The Golden Rules of hypermiling:
    1) Anticipation: concentrate and anticipate. Look well ahead, and check your mirrors. The more you notice the better.
    2) Buffering: leave a good amount of space in front of you. Preferably more than the "2 second rule".

    When you see things early (sometimes before they happen!) and have space in front of you, you have time to act instead of having to react. You'll be safer and even without trying you should find you'll use less gas. The Golden Rules will also help you when (we hope!) you introduce more hypermiling techniques.
  8. snowy1

    snowy1 New Member

    Thanks for the intro, I'm a new first time owner of a hybrid. 2012 Prius. My commute is uphill to work and downhill home. I've been getting 42ish to work and 99.9 home. How can I tell what my actual mileage is for the drive home if I keep getting 99.9?
  9. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Welcome to the site, Snowy1!! You can find out what the actual consumption of the Prius is for that segment home if you have a ScanGauge. I'm not aware of any method other than external instrumentation (such as the ScanGauge) that will allow you to determine that.
  10. HitSezonu

    HitSezonu New Member

    Hello all, I am passionate and promoter of economical driving. Since 1987 I have practiced this style of driving -much earlier than the official definition and rules were created. Based on my experience I have developed a unique learning method, which is tailored to the Polish, European reality. I publishes it on my web blog 'EcojestOK'. My mission is to show that modern cars are economical. In my view, high fuel consumptionis caused by incorrect driver behavior. My goal is to educate readers how to reduce fuel consumption, the second objective is to test various cars to show the real consumption that is achievable in daily operations when the driver applies the principles of economical driving.
    Also publishes eco tips via Twitter.
    For any wrong, ridiculous, irrelevant words used by me on the forum please blame the Google translate service :)
  11. all_about_the_glide

    all_about_the_glide Well-Known Member

    Welcome Hit --

    Where's the link to your web blog? I'm sure very few of us are conversant in Polish, but we can use Google translate.
  12. bob59el

    bob59el New Member


    I am retired, late 60's and try to squeeze the best mileage out of my vehicles that I can. Our daily driver is a 2012 base Fit automatic. We have a 2002 Toyota Sienna with 131000 mi which gets between 22-28 mpg and has been a great vehicle. We also have a 2003 Lazy Daze motorhome with a Ford 6.8L V10 that gets about 8-9 mpg. We live in Wisconsin 8-9 months, and then go to FL for the winter. About 15-20K per year total.

    We traded in our 2002 RAV4 for the Fit. I did a lot of coasting with the manual RAV, and would like to do the same in the Fit, but have some concerns about doing so with the auto transmission. I would appreciate any comments on that subject.

  13. Bigspender007

    Bigspender007 Well-Known Member


    I have joined this forum to continue to grow my knowledge of how to get the most of my car.
    Which is a 2011 Honda Civic DX-G auto. I drive over 65,000km per year traveling to and from work five days a week. Since the beginning I have been obsessively tracking my fuel usage and after a year of owning my car I'm making a real push to get the most out of it.

    Last tank I set an all time record of 44 mpg and this tank I'm already predicting at least 55 mpg. I know this cause I have acquired an Ultra-Gauge which I have found to be simply awesome. Please see fuelly link below for a more detailed look.

    Thanks and I hope to learn lots,


  14. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Welcome, Jeff! From 44 (already your best ever) to 55 is a HUGE jump! Good work. Having a gauge makes all the difference.
  15. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Bob and welcome to CleanMPG! The Fit is pretty decent, although the AT limits you. It's particularly helpful if you can keep the top speed down so the engine doesn't have to work too hard.

    In an automatic you can still coast with the engine on and transmission in neutral . For engine-off coasting, check the towing rules: the maximum engine-off flat-towing speed will tell you whether and how fast you can coast engine-off.

    In Florida, with a recent law change you can coast in neutral downhill legally.

    For light reading ;) I suggest you start with the CleanMPG Primer, which contains links to several hypermiling articles.

    I wish you success, including with the motor home!
  16. shadescape

    shadescape Banned


    Joined up after visiting here for awhile-

    Always enjoy getting the most out of any vehicle- I drive them hard sometimes- I drive them easy for the best mileage most times
    been a mechanic most of my life-

    have 2 Escapes- both 4WD, V6, auto- the 09 is getting better gas mileage-
    all arround average is pretty good on both

    best mileage I've gotten was coming back from Colorado- 343 miles- 69 mph w/o cruise- really driving for mileage- 30.999mpg
    I am working a bit on trying to get the 08 up to it

    nice to find this forum-

    I figure I'll learn somethings-
    Last edited: May 18, 2012
  17. Frost32

    Frost32 New Member

    I am new to this site. Just bought a used 09 Prius with 95k last week. The first week I was averaging about 41 mpg. During the same commute this week the car now seems sluggish and mileage went down to about 38. Battery is running in the blue most of the time this week . Third and fourth bar down and sometimes goes to green bar second down where last week I was running in the green most of the time. I am worried that I was sold a car with underlying issues by the dealer ( a Toyota dealer in CT) I looked at the air filter and it was filthy so I changed that today I hope that helps a little
    Does anyone have any advise and or fixes?
  18. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Welcome to CleanMPG.

    There are a lot of variables in mileage, even with "normal" driving. First I'd recommend posting at priuschat.com where there are people who can better help with technical issues.

    Join PriusChat.
    Copy the questionnaire from here
    Post a new Thread in the Gen 2 maintenance and troubleshooting subforum http://priuschat.com/f/gen-ii-prius-care-maintenance-and-troubleshooting.12/

    Your mileage issues can be due to a change in conditions or indicate a problem. It can be as simple as correcting tire pressures or replacing the 12V battery.

    I wish you success in resolving any technical issues and when you're done please come back and ask questions to help your improve your driving to get the most out of your car. :D
  19. Frost32

    Frost32 New Member

    Thanks. I will check in there and then be back for you gusto lead me to better driving habits.
  20. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor

    Welcome to CMPG. :flag:


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