Welcome to CleanMPG

Discussion in 'Start Your Journey Here' started by tbaleno, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. whitevette

    whitevette Member

    Hi, Phil!
    This is corrrect, is it not(It's bad to be "new"!)?
    I have a new suggestion which will "wake up" that Civic of yours...but I'm not at all sure how to make it! The "other sites" have a Vendor catagory...where a member can sell whatever.... I have information (to sell), ...my own invention which chemically modifies gasoline (when refueling). When you "take apart" a gasoline sample as I have, you begin to wonder "What's this stuff?":eek:
    Can you help me with site policy / moderators? I'd sure appreciate it! -whitevette
  2. whitevette

    whitevette Member

    Hi! Is this where one "checks in"? I'm a "newbie" from another site (all are different!) , so I don't know the navigation tricks at all! -whitevette :Banane37: :eek: :Banane12:
  3. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor

    YES, You are in the right place to (Check-IN). :)

    Welcome to www.CleanMPG.com

  4. Rosendale Roc

    Rosendale Roc New Member

    Hi folks!

    Hello people, my name is Rocco, and have been a long time advocate of saving fuel, and the environment. I live in NY's scenic and historic Hudson Valley, half way between Albany and NYC. Rosendale is between Kingston and New Paltz, exits 18 and 19 for you Thruway drivers. I think I will be visiting this place quite often to see what's up with today's fuel economy.
    I didn't realize that there was a term for what I was doing, until I listened this AM on Air America, and heard Rachel Maddow talking about it. She interviewed Wayne Gerdes, and I was in awe that I had been doing these things all along. It all started with my first car.
    I had a 1964 Chevy Nova that consistantly got better than 30 MPG. That was with the GM straight 6. It was a boxy little number. Sporty too. It had a big chrome plated valve cover, because it was the SS model. Bucket seats that were indestructible. A 2 speed "slushbox" automatic. It was my first car, and I loved it. It was so cheap to run back in '74, during the first fuel "crisis." I went everywhere with that car.
    I have driven everything from little sports cars to big trucks. I even had a truck driver job driving a box truck around NY for a few years. My first NEW car was a 1997 Saturn SL1. I got around 38 MPG in it routinely. It was totalled in my driveway, so I got a 2000 SL1, which also got the same mileage. I ran that into the ground in 3 years, and got a 2003 SL1, the last year that they were made. That got totalled on some wet pavement, and poor shoulder conditions, I swear it looked like there was a regular shoulder there. I rented a Grand Am, until I settled with the insurance company, liked it, and still have it.
    I got it because it has a little more mass than the Saturn, which would have saved me in my spinout accident. Go figure.
    I would like to get an electric or hybrid for my next vehicle. I have a 21 mile one way trip to work each day, and would like to squeeze as much mileage out of my car as I can.
    It's kind of ugly at times, when every other vehicle is a big truck. I think that a lot of them are going to be for sale soon. I don't know how people can afford to drive them. Besides, a big truck is no substitute for inadequete genetalia, and it is my belief that a lot of men AND women have these monstrosities because they lack control of some part of their lives. It's just really tough having to deal with them every weekday.
    Well that's my dollar three-eighty and eleventy two cents,
    See yas around!
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2006
  5. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Welcome to CleanMPG!

    Glad the word is getting out.

    Just to make is easy, the pictures of HybridFest 2006 are here > Hybridfest - July 22 2006 COVERERAGE

    Had no idea it would turn out as well as it did.
  6. N1JI

    N1JI Member

    Hi everyone. I also heard about this website on Air America's Rachel Maddow show, and was thrilled to find out that there's a name (and a group of enthusiasts) for what I've been doing for years. There are so many more techniques to get better FE posted here than I've ever thought of -- All I've ever tried before is keeping my speed down, coasting in neutral, and avoiding hard acceleration. I drive a 2004 Scion XB and have been averaging 35-37 MPG overall (once as high as 39). Since discovering this site I've increased my tire pressure from 29psi to 40psi and am trying hard to avoid sitting at red lights. I'm also treading even lighter on the gas pedal than before -- It's amazing how little gas you need to get up to speed if you don't mind waiting a few extra seconds.

    I'm still on my first tank since making these changes so I don't know how much of a difference they'll make. I have noticed, though, that I can coast slightly farther on the same hills than I could with the lower tire pressure.

    One question: How come the Honda Insight drivers seem to get much better FE than the Prius users?

    Thanks, N1JI
  7. N1JI

    N1JI Member

    Forgot to mention... I also have a brand new Chrysler Town & Country minivan I bought for my wife. I'm hoping I'll be able to squeeze at least 30 MPG out of it (it's rated at 26 MPG highway)
  8. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Welcome to CleanMPG!

    A Honda Civic Hybrid is a much closer match to the Prius - the Insight is a different and smaller vehicle. While I don't know their mpg, it seems pretty close overall (Prius vs. hybrid Civic)....

    The Insight seats only two and has aluminum construction. It weighs only 1,800 pounds - a big advantage. The ICE is only 125 pounds.
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    ___Welcome to CleanMPG and I hope you have all found a new home where you can learn from those that have come well before us all and then more importantly, teach others in the future how to improve their own FE for all the reasons we have posted over the past 6 + months now here at CleanMPG …

    ___Rosendale Roc, sorry I missed you a few days earlier. Welcome indeed.

    ___Whitevette, just give yourself some time and online Internet forums such as ours will become second nature to you. Once you get the feel and flow of the place, have fun as that is why we are all really here for, right ;)

    ___N1J1, the Prius can be coaxed into some truly outstanding numbers (See Teddy-Girl’s recent world record in the Article section or look up the Prius II Marathon Attempt write-ups). You have probably already seen or have read a number of posts and articles here at CleanMPG or elsewhere around the net about these. When it comes to the king of hybrids, the Honda Insight weight ~ 50% less then that of a Prius II, maybe 80% of the frontal area of the Prius II, an even cleaner CD, and an ICE and propulsion package that absolutely bleeds FE at the expense of some std. comfort items most might consider mandatory in today’s automobiles …

    ___I hope you have the chance to go out with someone that knows how to swing the Prius II to its limits and then go out with someone who knows how to swing the Insight to its. The Insight was designed and built as a no-holds-barred fuel economy machine the likes the world has never seen before and the EPA numbers it receives are so far below its known real world capabilities it is absolutely shocking. On a much more somber note, the Insight has been discontinued as of this month or last and it is to bad as those that had the opportunity to drive or own them know exactly what the rest of the world may never have the opportunity to experience once driven in the manner they should have been and after being setup with just the basics … You have no idea how much I miss mine and what a mistake it was to have sold it when I did :(

    ___Please keep an eye on Randall’s ““ World record distance on a single tank of fuel is in the process of being broken!” thread as I have a feeling he is just about now surpassing the farthest distance ever traveled on a single tank of fuel in a mass produced and non-modded automobile that any of us know of. He is one of the best and someone we can all learn a thing or two from.

    PS. N1JI, when we get through with you and that Town and Country, you will be getting 30 from it going back and forth to the grocery store down the block let alone any kind of distance on the highway in it ;)

    ___Good Luck and welcome all.

  10. elblat

    elblat New Member

    Hello all,

    I love messing with vehicles and FE has always been a hobby. We have two Geo Prizms (Toyota Corollas) with the 1.6l engine and manual tranny. The 94 usually gets 40MPG with tanks of 45 or more on long highway trips. The 93 gets about 38 with 42 being the best I have achieved. The last few tanks in the 93 (which in theory, should be as good as the 94, engine drivetrain body tires tuneups identical) have been better after I put in a cheap cruise control (these cars are very quiet and it's easy to inadvertantly go fast). I think the 93 is just more worn, you can smell a little oil burning when it's cold, but I haven't checked the compression yet to see if it's rings or valve guides.

    The more interesting beast is the Land Cruiser. It is a 1977, 2-ton jeep-like thing, with a primitive I6 (copied from the 1930's chevrolet 225 "cast-iron wonder"). It is optimized for low-end torque and durability, so the engine weighs about 800lbs and redlines at 4000 RPM. I get about 10MPG in city, and 14 highway (12 before cruise control and larger tires). Yes this is horrible, but I put less than 1000 miles a year on it, mostly 4x4 rescuing people and going to remote rocks in the desert and mountains, or rescuing stuck or broken vehicles, or hauling loads in a trailer.


    The interesting thing about it is that I sometimes get tanks of 18 to 20MPG. I assume that those are tailwinds helping. The drag on this box-like 4x4 must be horrendous. Some evidence that aerodynamics rule the show here is that on trips with mostly four-wheel-drive low-range, average speed less than 30MPH, I average 15MPG. Also, usually going 60MPH will net better economy than 55 or 50, perhaps due to the carburator or intake system.

    Anyway, I will prolly be very quiet for a while and try to soak up as much of you all's knowledge as possible, and try a few mods since my vehicles never break down (owning Toyotas is boring if you like to wrench like me).

    Thanks all,
  11. Frisch41

    Frisch41 New Member

    I became interested in this site at the hybridfest 2006. Before that there was just IC and I didn't learn to much there. I have a 2000 5sp silvertone W/a sunroof and tint. just had a block heater put in and in IL that shure helps in the mornings. I have learned more about my cars possableties this year then in all the pryor yrs. you guys keep up the good work.
  12. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Thank you, Frisch41. :)
  13. 95Outback

    95Outback New Member

    I'm a college student right now studying ceramic engineering in Rolla, Missouri. I work on solar cars and am planning on going into the electric car industry. I drive a 1995 Subaru Outback, and love racing. I have a bit of a battle going on between my racing side and my wanting to not screw up the environment side, so I'm joining the forum as a way to encourage my inner hypermiler, and not give in to my rally racing side. I think the best I've gotten outta the Back so far is 3 or 4 over EPA estimates. I'm hoping to get better, but percentage-wise I don't think I'm doing too bad since that's >10%.
  14. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    Welcome! I'd be happy with 10% but my commute won't let me get it :( Now if I had a prius on my commute watch out!
  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi 95Outback:

    ___Welcome to CleanMPG! IIRC, we were recently linked from the University of MO. for our mission which I thought was quite fitting.

    ___Given your racing/autocross bent, we have a number of possible future outcomes with that as well. The IRL has been running M100 (Methanol - a renewable if produced properly) and has just switched over the E10/M90. Formula 1 may be adding hybrid tech to the cars for both fuel savings and increased performance. NASCAR may be heading towards ethanol to replace their LEADED high octane gasoline they are currently using. And of course there are the Le Man’s cars including the recently introduced Audi R10 running that monster fast and quiet TDI. One of the two Audi’s creamed the field at both the 12 Hours of Sebring and the 24 Hours of Le Man’s this year. We had a few posts about the semi-modded Prius which achieved > 130 at the Bonneville Salt Flats a few years ago as well as a Diesel powered monster that recently broke a world record at > 320 mph just a few months ago! And how could I forget the Tesla EV! You can find all about these cars and achievements in both straight up posts and News items here at CleanMPG with a little sleuthing :D

    ___Here are a just few for the record books ;)

    Formula One Hybrid Prototype.

    Our favorite coming into Turn 1.

    Audi R10 ahead of the Porsche at the 12 Hours of Sebring.

    Aston Martin DBR9 being hunted down by an R10.

    DieselMax at > 320 mph for the world record.

    At 130.8 mph, who said the Prius wasn’t fast ;)

    Tesla EV: 0 – 60 in 4 seconds.​

    ___And of course our main goal to help you lower your fuel consumption and your emissions no matter what you are currently driving.

    ___Good Luck and I hope you enjoy what you will find.

  16. antidarkness

    antidarkness New Member

    I am proud to finally a member. I ran across this site a few months ago and i was intruiged. I am facinated by making things better, especially improving efficiency.
    I noticed i have one of the oldest cars on the mileage logs.
    wonderful job everyone.
  17. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Welcome! I hope that you have found some information to help you out. Don't forget to take advantage of the 'Start Your Journey Here' forum if you would like suggestions tailored to your particular driving conditions. That's also a good place to ask questions if you read posts that go over your head...we tend to get a little carried away with the acronyms and technical jargon, which can be tough on a first-time reader.
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Antidarkness:

    ___Welcome to CleanMPG as well! And about your nick, what does it stand for as I have all kinds of ideas and all of them are probably 100% incorrect ;)

    ___Ahhh, a 1990 Celica. Decent performance and it has never been tapped for fuel economy gains that I have ever heard? I cannot wait to see what you can do with it. If you need help with the jargon or have a question, Tim (Brick) pointed you in the right direction. Sit back and take your shoes off, read a weeks worth of posts and then start banging away on that keyboard. Hopefully we will be able to help you with any number of suggestions to lessen your footprint and to place some of those petro-dollars back in your pocket :D

    ___Good Luck

  19. antidarkness

    antidarkness New Member

    I appreciate such a warm welcome. Improving efficiency is what gets me up in the morning and occupies my daydreams. I'm excited! i've been studying the acronyms.
    btw I also love led flashlights (and now headlights!) . Antidarkness is my handle for those forums.
  20. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    antidarkness, a bunch of guys in the Frostbelt are envying your warm commutes that don't whack the fuel economy. ;)

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