GM’s Most Fuel Efficient Car Coming to Chicago

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Mar 2, 2011.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Kacey:

    I should go out and place a meter on the 12V accessory to find out what it is really offering because 14 to 15 + V is simply to high imho. It may only be an indication vs. actual however. The SG-II only reports what is being sent to it via the ECU, it does not measure the actual. If I have time in the morning before they pick it up, I will pull out the VOM and find out but I doubt the 12V ports are that high.

    Wayne
     
  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Nothing goes better with Baseball then Apple Pie and Chevrolet :D

    Even if it is only spring training and the Brewers will not be back on the real ball diamond for another two to three weeks.

    2011 Chevrolet Cruze ECO

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    Miller Park makes the 2011 Chevrolet Cruze ECO look small! And look at the way that jerk parked ;)

    Wayne
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2011 Chevrolet Cruze ECO

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    ODO - 2220 – Trip 1/2 133.0 miles (actually 131.005 after offset) – 2.212 gallons to top off and 59.22 mpg actual.​

    Wayne
     
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2011 Chevrolet Cruze ECO

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    More on the Cruze ECO at Miller Park.​

    And as always, which Miller Park photo do you like best?

    Wayne
     
  5. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    the one where you parked crooked is my favorite! awesome pics
     
  6. FSUspectra

    FSUspectra Practicing true conservatism!

    I like the last one... and I guess my guess of 63 MPG wasn't too far off?
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    They came and picked her up so very early this morning :ccry:

    2011 Chevrolet Cruze ECO

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    2011 Chevrolet Cruze ECO - Saying Goodbye this morning. Dick K. of G. Schmitz driving it back to its home.

    Wayne
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Ride and Handling

    The 2011 Chevrolet Cruze makes a good showing form the handling perspective with a somewhat balanced under/over steer transition in quick succession at its limits. I found its emergency avoidance actually better than the well received 2012 Ford Focus we drove a few weeks back in fact which is really saying something!

    The steering however is boosted well at slow speeds but a little under assisted in the middle speed ranges from 25 to 35 mph for example.

    She’s a stiff girl with pressures at MAX sidewall which bodes well for the handling side of the equation but it may be a bit rough for folks coming out of a baby buggy like Toyota Camry. I am not a fan of baby buggy rides even when on the Interstate so I am somewhat biased but for some, the Chevrolet Cruze ECO is a good balance of better handling for a slightly less comfortable ride. The average Joe Q. may find it to be a bit too stiff and it would behoove you to take a longer drive over some rougher pavement to see if it exceeds your needs and requirements. It most certainly met mine and I would have no qualms about endorsing it as a daily driver for those with a lot of daily Interstate ahead of them…

    Wayne
     
  9. SentraSE-R

    SentraSE-R Pishtaco

    I like the second ballpark photo better - the one without the big light post next to the car. The Cruze sounds like a great highway cruiser, but the poor P&G performance puts me off a bit. Definitely a car for consideration when I go car shopping in a few years.
     
  10. SD3_Driver

    SD3_Driver Well-Known Member

    Oh no, P&G is the thing that i use a lot... and had yield good results.
     
  11. JohnM

    JohnM Well-Known Member

    Re: GM’s Most Fuel Efficient Car Coming to Chicago

    P&G works best on a car that is inherently inefficient. With P&G you are getting the most energy out of a unit of fuel. If the car's drivetrain is designed to provide high efficiency, i.e. tall gear ratios, then P&G will provide less of an advantage.
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi John:

    That is not the way it works in our world. The Insight-I, the most efficient mass produced vehicle ever produced, provides over 4X's its EPA combined at a maximum levels under this advanced technique. The Civic iCDTi, CR-Z, and Corolla XRS w/ the 2.4L were all over 3X's what their EPA combined under the same. Some vehicles respond well but in this case, the Cruze ECO's torque output from the smallish 1.4L at low RPM's was simply not enough to get it moving quickly enough while consuming an inordinate amount of fuel before it could receive the Glide payback. I was running a variety of RPM's up to and including some 2,500 RPM blasts and nothing seemed to work well enough to continue... Conditions were not helping given the low to mid 30 degree temps and side winds but this is the first vehicle I have ever driven where its SS DWL cruise provided more FE. Look up the Mazda2 Preview for an idea of far worse conditions where everything still clicked.

    Wayne
     
  13. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    NICE JOB WAYNE! I STILL think you should be working for one of the major car companies! well if i ever own a car company! ha ha ha ha!
     
  14. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    If steady speed driving is the best it gives, and that in the low 60's, this is not for me. Sorry, GM. However, that's good news for "normal" drivers in that they'll be getting most of what the car has to offer without any "fancy" driving.
     
  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Andrew:

    We do have to take into account that this was in poor temps. Add another 5 mpg or so in warmer temps although not nearly what we had hoped for after the initial drive. Knowing that 73 mpg was really around 66 mpg does not help matters.

    Plus’s
    • Safety
    • Tall ratios
    • Decent fuel economy for the masses
    • MFD screen Resolution is too low for a car made in 2011.
    • Still less than $19K to start
    • Nice looking interior materials no matter if it’s the pleather or the cloth knit.
    • Decent room for front and rear passengers plus large trunk.
    • Very predictable and excellent handling for a fuel miser!
    Minus’s
    • To heavy for great FE numbers
    • Even with its 42 mpg highway, the Prius, VW TDI’s, and HCH-II would take it out on the Super Slab.
    • $19K will buy a lot of 11 Elantra…
    • Front seats lower side bolsters are too thin causing some discomfort on longer rides.
    • No locking gas cap door or cap
    • No trunk release from inside the car.
    • Tight front seat belt operation.
    Wayne
     
  16. joesgot4

    joesgot4 Well-Known Member

    wayne, have you drove a 2011 elantra? we now need you to drive one so we have something to compare the cruze eco to! actually not having to use advanced techniques is a plus for the general public cause not a lot of people can or will try for better efficiency! also what do you think 45mph would net as far as mpg's go?
     
  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Joe:

    The 11 Elantra is coming soon. Having driven the much lower rated base Sonata GLS and Hybrid to higher levels than the Cruze ECO allowed, I suspect the 11 Elantra will prove itself to be more fuel efficient as well. Who knows until we get behind the wheel however?

    The Cruze at 45 mph should allow around 60 mpg in decent conditions.

    Good Luck

    Wayne
     
  18. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Hi Wayne, just a question about the gas cap door. I didn't think mine locked either, until one time when I went to dump a bit of fuel additive in the tank and could not get the door to open. Turns out that mine locks and unlocks with the doors. Not sure if other modern vehicles do something similar or if it's just a VW thing. But did you check for that functionality?
     
  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Mike:

    I did not think to specifically check that if the doors were locked, the access door would lock?

    Wayne
     
  20. Kacey Green

    Kacey Green Well-Known Member

    Mike & Wayne, the Accord Crosstour and several other vehicles have this feature now, it seems to be cheaper than running the cable for the release through the car at this time.
     

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