"UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Chuck, Oct 9, 2010.

  1. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    [​IMG] Wind turbines blamed for rapid heart beat, nausea and blurred vision caused by the machines’ ultra-low-frequency sound and vibrations.

    [FIMG=RIGHT]http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Smart_Grid_-_Wind_Turbines.jpg[/FIMG]Tom Zeller Jr. - MSNBC - Oct 5, 2010

    While there have been reports like this, it seems most people are OK. I visited a wind farm on US 287 in Lamar Colorado and enjoyed it! There are other form of pollution more deadly than this one. ;) --Ed.

    Vinalhaven, Maine — Like nearly all of the residents on this island in Penobscot Bay, Art Lindgren and his wife, Cheryl, celebrated the arrival of three giant wind turbines late last year. That was before they were turned on.

    “In the first 10 minutes, our jaws dropped to the ground,” Mr. Lindgren said. “Nobody in the area could believe it. They were so loud.”

    Now, the Lindgrens, along with a dozen or so neighbors living less than a mile from the $15 million wind facility here, say the industrial whoosh-and-whoop of the 123-foot blades is making life in this otherwise tranquil corner of the island unbearable.... [RM]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39525429/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/[/RM]
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  2. basjoos

    basjoos Well-Known Member

    They can probably reduce the blade noise with the redesign of the blades. The technology exists since military has been working on quieting helicopters. The main other problem with wind turbines is the slicing and dicing of any birds and bats passing through the reach of their blades. It may appear to turning slowly, but in a good wind the tips of those 100'+ blades can be travelling at speeds just short of supersonic. Aerial fauna don't have much of a chance at dodging a blade coming at 500mph when they are flying along at 30mph and don't have the behavioral instincts to dodge propeller blades.
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  3. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    But what choice is there?
    Coal has killed and shortened the lives of many many 100,000's -and this is just the USA.
    A little bit of noise-and some dead birds seem fair trade.
    Same story with NUKES- except mining Uranium has killed fair numbers of folks(lung disease-cancer and silicosis- and the usual problems of hard rock mining).Still Nukes are much safer than burning coal.
    We have to pick our poison.Wind and Nukes-and various water schemes- seem like good choices relative to mining and burning coal.We will run out of gas and petro, so can't count on them long term.
    The CO2 problem is another consideration-and buying fuel from enemies-
    Lotta reasons to find another source of energy.

  4. GreenBlues

    GreenBlues Well-Known Member

  5. robert

    robert Inventor

    Reality check..
    Dyson vacuum cleaners are the experts with wind tunnel management.
    That goes all the way back to Victor Shaumburger.
    the design of those 100' foot blades is to keep people out of doing this for themselves.
    it is all funded by taxpayers monies... all too big...to remove.
    Specialized people to service the equipment.
    The pulsating sounds of the wind being chopped...is detremental to any and all natural wildlife in the area....humans included.
    There are several technologies more environmentally friendly....that they do not want people to know about...that can be installed individually...mantained at a much lower total cost.
    The illusion the government interference is a good thing dates back to 1934...
    when the world's best experts stated that ethanol produced correctly...
    will outperform diesel 2-1....have no harmful exhaust gases.
    Henry Ford himself...knew this to be a fact...tryed to impliment this thecnology...
    after WW2...
    he was intimidated by the oil companies/steel companies/ coal comapanies/unions at the time...and governments...so that he stopped his efforts.
    so that the USA would not remain agricultural dominated society....self sufficient.
    Nuke energy was just emerging...infancy status...had to have enough nuke materials to defend ourselves from the insanity of power....after bombing Japan.
    Any and all innovations to reduce the fossil fuel consumption has been thwarted by many people in political power.
    1935...Garrett carbed engines operated on water...hydrogen basically...yet noone knows of the Garrett carb until I re-visited the blueprints...and determined why it worked so well.
    It has been re-classified as a true electrolytic hydrogen generation system by the US Patent Office.
    That is why we have not known about alternate choices...of energy management.
    As far as I am concerned the huge windmills are a JOKE on the people who promote them.
    Every time a windmill farm is installed...political favors are at the source.
    Everytime one of those windmill farms are installed...
    goverment agencies have complete control of that property...forever.
    land aquisition...'emminent domane' with a new 'legal twist' of wordsmithing.
    Think about that aspect.
  6. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member


    "There are several technologies more environmentally friendly....that they do not want people to know about...that can be installed individually...mantained at a much lower total cost.
    The illusion the government interference is a good thing dates back to 1934."..

    Just what are these hidden suppressed technologies?

    Don't give me any of this " runs on water perpetual motion"" BS-don't think saying "electrolytic hydrogen" generation is going to impress anyone here.
    We all know that it takes energy- lots of energy- to unburn water and get Hydrogen gas-
    You ALWAYS ALWAYS get out less than you put in.

    Where does the energy to reduce H2O come from?

    Yes there are always political forces at work-and big corps basically buy our representatives-

    but if there was some simple, cheap,simple energy source out there-someone would be trying to make a $$ on it.
    We stick with oil and coal BECAUSE IT IS CHEAP to bring to market-simple as that.
    Now are they-fossil fuels-it actually "cheap" in a larger sense(Global warming and giving enemies we are fighting money to build A-bombs)? Probably not-and we'll run out of cheap oil soon enough, coal in many hundreds of years.

    So tell us about these technologies.
  7. Jough96Accord

    Jough96Accord 1996 Honda Accord 2.2l 5spd

    Except nuclear power.
  8. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    I was referring to chemical reactions-when you reverse them-turn water into H2 and O2- then re-reverse them-you get less out than you put in.
    It would hold for nuclear reactions also, but we don't attempt to reverse them(can't to any extent).

    We only reverse chemical reactions because sometimes it is more convenient to carry energy as H2 than stuffed in a battery. 100 lbs of H2 or gasoline will get you about 600 miles- 100 lbs of battery-maybe 5-miles.

  9. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Altamont Pass in CA is the source of most of the wind-turbine bird deaths. Otherwise the bird mortality from wind towers is pretty minimal.

    I'm not 100% ready to dismiss the health concerns -- it's become a big issue here in Oregon, and I don't think there's been enough study. But it is curious that the complaints tend to come from people who aren't making money leasing their land to the power companies, and very rarely from people who are. This all plays very well into traditional rural paranoia about becoming a colony of the urban masses (even though there wouldn't be any jobs or money in rural Oregon if it weren't for (1) supplying goods and services to the urban masses and (2) the gubmint).

    The money angle has been pretty interesting. Farmers lucky enough to have the right piece of land are making more money from wind than from farming. Those who aren't that lucky, or who aren't farmers, are making squat from this individually, though their local governments are. I just heard that a small county in north-central Oregon, which normally has a $4M annual budget, has an $8M surplus this year (over and above the $4m normal) thanks to revenues from wind power. They're building a fancy new library and all sorts of great stuff for their constituents.

    ps ... wtf does "UnBell" mean?
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  10. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    Yupper, yupper, it's the HULL EFFECT of course! :eek:

    Roberts been trolling his HULL EFFECT here for sometime, but hasn't got much attention.

    The usual conspiracy stuff, 200mpg V8 carburetor land.:rolleyes:
  11. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Pointing out the objections of "dangerously quiet" hybrids, then the objection of "dangerously noisy" wind turbines....would our current tech EVER been allowed if we listened to every objection?
  12. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    The "conspiracy" perpetual motion , "runs on water"stuff drives me crazy- much more than "My CAI gets me 5 mpg" and such.
  13. robert

    robert Inventor

    worthywads and all...
    I have been to Washington, DC...you have to get an invite from capital hill to see these attornies.
    I drafted the patent they are going to approve...to MIT and Harvard... best attornies.
    That means I am the only translator.
    400,000 dollars has been spent so far...more to be spent...
    to close this tax loophole.
    If you think Rockefeller was powerful...
    they will file lawsuits backdating present technology...
    just like Bill Gates does.
    This is historical...every turn of the alternator/eletrical generating devise known...
    will be taxed under this patent.
    traced back to Argonne National Laboratories nano-technology....as to why it works.
    They never tried it with carbed motors...Go Figure !!!
    Warning you what is coming...
    catch 22...most all is posted on the internet...by me...the inventor.
    I am clearing my conscious...should never have written it.
    The usual multi-billionares are already in play with this...
    Ususal conspiracy stuff?
    I have the proto-types hidden from the investors...the real trolls.
    Bob Lasar and area 51 is normal conspiracy stuff.
    Just for making this post ...the US Attorney General will have to get involved.
    I got nothing to gain... but clearing my conscious.
    I posted this in other popular forums...
    don't flatter yourself as something that special.

    It don't make F### to me if you believe or not...right now...you will later.

  14. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Prior art considerations?
  15. robert

    robert Inventor

    right lane cruiser...Get real...I spent the last 3 years...providing information...gathered for over 30 years of patent comparisons.
    I am one of the few people still alive that personally watched the private demonstartion of the Papp Inert/noble gas engine....in 1980.
    That takes a lot of political stroke to get that invitation....from the Govenor at the time.
    That is a real conspiracy story...all the way to Nobel Peace Prize committee.
    Feynmiller ruined Papp...and the technology advances.
    That engine operated on less than 50 dollars of fuel per year...24/7....400 foot pounds of torque at 1100 rpm....zero emissions.
    It is all frequency manipulations...from the alternator.
    That is prior art of sub-atomic...quatum physics.
    You have a nice day.
  16. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Robert, now you are spouting pure nonsense. You aren't the only one who has studied physics seriously (if you have) and claiming that a liquid fueled engine is deriving energy from a "sub-atomic...quatum physics" properties based alternator is just beyond the pale. You've been posting here for months with conspiracy stories all centering around the legendary 100mpg carburetor and some sort of notion that the government has kept us in the dark and that you are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to single handedly fight "the establishment."

    Real scientists publish fundamental research in peer reviewed journals. Real scientists provide reproducible results without a lot of hand waving. Real scientists don't drop big statements with zero backing. Real scientists don't insist that a noble gas will "ignite" in some so called "Papp Inert/noble gas engine" construct using electricity. We call them noble gasses because they do not react by burning. That's why we use them in light bulbs with high voltage in them. :rolleyes:

    Good day, sir.
  17. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I've lost count of the times people have made strongly opinionated posts and expect it to be blindly accepted as if Moses just brought the Ten Commandments from Mt Sinai.

    If you care to back it up, it might be credible.
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  18. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Robert, to Chuck's comments I would also add that it would help if you would actually explain your position, and this patent of which you claim to be the "inventor", in proper English using complete sentences.

    Your posts to this thread consist mostly of phrases strung together with ellipses (...), and with little progression of thought from one to the other. I have no doubt this follows your stream of consciousness, but is extremely difficult to follow for those of us who are actually trying to understand what you are trying to say. Keeping it to statements of fact, linked together in some kind of logical progression, would make the rest of us a lot less skeptical.
  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    This is more perpetual motion BS mixed with conspiracy BS mixed with pure BS.
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Sometimes I like BS :D

    Robert, you are indeed a character and one who appears to stand by your convictions and conspiracy theories for no other reason to keep yourself heard.

    The latest thing we have seen in the real world is an Alpha Metal Polymer battery which appears to have 4X’s the energy density of the best Li-Ion’s talked about for BEVs/PHEVs. When it comes to the perpetual motion stuff, what do you want us to do, laugh? Cry? Run around the room with our hands in the air? It’s all BS until it’s placed in a vehicle and driven across country on a small single tank of fuel. So far, none of your “stuff” has been "seen" or confirmed doing just that.

    I will give you this though; it is a hell of a fun read when I see you step into the pages of CleanMPG and do your thing :)

    Regarding wind turbines, they do sound a bit eerie but it is the sound of $'s that will over run any objections.

    As far as killing birds and bats, buildings from my understanding are a worse culprit by far.

    Good Luck

    Last edited: Nov 5, 2010

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