Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

Discussion in 'Ford Hybrids' started by GaryG, Mar 23, 2006.

  1. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Thanks Wayne

    This article will need to be changed as we all learn new methods and techniques. As new issues are discussed in the general forum, and consensus are drawn, we can continue to update this article. If there is anyone that wants to ask a question or offer a better method or technique, myself and our friends here at CMPG would love to hear from you.

    This summer has been great compared to my last summer MPG averages. Now I can drive roads (55-70MPH) I tried to stay away from last year and get 46mpg with the A/C on. My Fall, Winter and Spring should be a record breaker for me here in Palm Beach County.

    This Summer, I've really learned alot about the HV battery and control modules. Wayne, when you get back down here I'll show you how the battery can be top off much higher than the last time we met. Also, I found in the '05 FEH Workshop manual (pg 414-03-31) where if the HV battery needed a jump start, the SoC had to be at 40% before the vehicle can be driven. Now, I think we know the established lower limits of the HV battery for sure. A Lithium ion battery with lower discharge limits and less heat build up would really make the FEH a better EV, but I'm happy with what we have now.

    GaryG
     
  2. dsmithwr

    dsmithwr New Member

    I just joined this forum and have owned my Ford Escape Hybrid 1 month. I get 40 mpg in town 38 out on the highway. I got 40 drafting on my first tank of gas on the highway.

    My question is this what does no left turns buy you?

    Will the scanguage help me alot?
     
  3. Johndixs

    Johndixs John Dixson

    Hello to all from a soon-to-be-MMH-owner.

    And that is in fact my question: Can anyone comment on the changes in the 2008 having any material effect upon fuel efficiency?
     
  4. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Welcome to Cleanmpg and congrads on being a soon-to-be MMH owner!

    There has been a change to allow EV much easier and smoother. As a result, I'm seeing better overall mpg being reported on average than earlier models. I'd love to have one and compare with my '05 FWD FEH with this group. My money would be on I'd do better with the '08 FWD.

    GaryG
     
  5. Johndixs

    Johndixs John Dixson

    I live right north of you in the south part of Stuart. I should get the Mariner about Dec 10-15, and perhaps we could arrange a meet to have you demonstrate the techniques referred to in your postings.

    Thanks,
    John Dixson
     
  6. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Be more than happy to John. My father moved from Palm City and I rent and maintain his house there. My sister also lives in Stuart, so I'm up there at least once a week. My favorite road north to your area is A1A along Jupiter Island where I got a 70.3mpg RT in my FEH.

    It will be fun for me to see what the '08 AWD is good for, and you can decide what techniques you want to learn and use. I'm sure the readers here would like to see the comparison between the FWD '05 and the AWD '08 in the same weather and conditions.

    GaryG
     
  7. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Gary, you got a 70.3mpg RT in a FEH???? :eek::eek::eek:

    Man would I love to take a ride with you!!!!
     
  8. Johndixs

    Johndixs John Dixson

    Gary, looking forward to that. BTW, the Mariner will be a FWD version.

    Thanks,
    John Dixson
     
  9. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Got you confused with another post and an AWD. Living here, you made a great choice. I'm hearing about even more improvements in MPG between the '05 FWD and the '08 FWD. You must be excited! Have you considered a SG11?

    Sean, the 70.3 MPG picture I took and Wayne posted in this article is of the SG I gave you.

    GaryG
     
  10. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Gary, awesome. Simply awesome. I might (!) make a run at 70mpg next spring/summer when it warms up again, but in a big vehicle like yours????

    Thanks again so much for the SG!!! I'd never be where I am now without it. :eek:
     
  11. Johndixs

    Johndixs John Dixson

    Thanks for the note re Scan Guage II. It looks like a very usable piece of instrumentation, and a bit of fun as well. Is the install as easy as implied in the manual?

    Thanks,
    John Dixson
     
  12. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    John, it just plugs in above the brake pedal and you do a easy set-up with the size of the engine, fuel you save hybrid, speed set plus 1%, choose CAN, set the back light to match you other gauge colors and set the CAN speed high. If you look at my photos here at CMPG, you will see where I mounted it which works great.

    Sean, I knew you would put it to good use!

    GaryG
     
  13. Johndixs

    Johndixs John Dixson

    Re the ScanGuageII and specifically how it calculates mpg, I have a question:

    I have some experience with aircraft fuel flow measurements, which typically require a mass flow sensor and a fuel temperature probe. Obviously, knowing the mass flow and the fuel temp, one can calculate the flow in lbs/hr. What does the ScanGuage do? Have the manufacturers now installed some sort of flow sensor, or it a calculated fuel flow based on throttle position etc? if that is the case, it would be nice to know the accuracy spec.

    Thanks,
    John Dixson
     
  14. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    John, it would be better to ask this type of question in the Ford forum here. More people will respond if you go to the menu on the left and click Fuel Economy Forum, then where you see Vehicles, click Ford. There is a thread already in the list called Scangauge and the FEH. We have some experts here that may not come to this article to answer this type of question.

    GaryG
     
  15. Legolas

    Legolas New Member

    I'm a new owner of a 2008 FEH, and recently found your forum. I'm looking to get started in hypermiling, but don't really know where/how. Any suggestions for the first steps... er, miles? I'm in Michigan - how much of an effect is the cold (currently about 21F) having on my mileage? Right now I'm just driving conservatively, only 200 miles on the truck, and I'm getting about 29mpg.
     
  16. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    You can start by reading this article... http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/articles/t-beating-the-epa-the-whys-and-how-to-hypermile-1510.html

    Its chock full of ways to increase your FE and should answer alot of your questions. Cold weather has a big impact on your FE in many ways. The biggest is the increased density of air and your car having to push that heavier air out of the way, winter formulations of gas provide less energy per gallon lowering your FE, and colder weather makes for an engine operating colder than its optimal temp. You can remedy some of the problems by making a radiator block to try and keep some of that heat in the engine bay.

    Welcome to cleanmpg!!
     
  17. bruski1959

    bruski1959 Well-Known Member

    When you say "radiator block" do you mean something to put in front of the radiator to keep our icy cold midwest air out of the engine compartment? Any suggestions on the type of material to make a radiator block from?
     
  18. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I just put cardboard, or for cosmetic purposes, foam posterboard that matches the car color infront of the radiator to speed up the time the water coolant reaches 195F. Hope to hear from some FEH owners...this can be overdone, although not likely this time of the year. I know Prius drivers often partially block their radiator.

    What I've done on my Honda Insight, was buy a pair of emissions hoses from O'Reily Auto Parts and route the air intake from the air filter to the catalytic converter - wraps around the cat like a boa constrictor to get hot air quicker....recommended by Mark Smith - an FEH owner here.
     
  19. warthog1984

    warthog1984 Well-Known Member

    Another Cheap and cosmetically decent looking block material- Clear packing tape on the outside of the grill.

    Layer the tape to cover the grill and you have a transparent radiator block that's cheap, effective, and easy to remove in spring.
     
  20. OttawaFEH

    OttawaFEH Member

    Hi Gary,

    I realize this is an old post, but the info is all new and relevant to me in that I just bought a 2005 FEH AWD and a Scan GaugeII

    I live in a very cold climate--and soon to move to the world's second coldest capital: Ottawa. So my question to you is...
    Do you think it worth the $700 odd dollars it costs to get the engine block heater/battery warmer installed? I'm expecting to get very poor MPG in -20 Celsius, so I imagine that being able to "plug it in" at night (unfortunately not to charge the battery) would help somewhat.

    In the first few days, I managed to get my average MPG up to 31 at one point using your techniques, but finding it very difficult to stay there. Hoping the scan gauge will help.

    Looking forward to your reply.

    Andrew
     

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