Are Russian winters in retreat?

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  1. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    [​IMG] "Broadly speaking, the Russian position has always been that climate change is an invention of the West to try to bring Russia to its knees"

    [FIMG=LEFT][/FIMG]Simon Schuster - TIME - Aug 2, 2010

    Interesting, some Russians say AGW is a myth of the bourgeoisie...I thought it was from the socialists. --Ed.

    Russians are not used to heat waves. When the high temperatures that have overwhelmed Russia over the past six weeks first arrived in June, some 1,200 Russians drowned at the country's beaches. "The majority of those who drowned were drunk," the Emergencies Ministry concluded in mid-July, citing the Russian habit of taking vodka to cool off by the sea. But while overconsumption of vodka is a familiar scourge in Russia, extreme heat is not, and as the worst heat wave on record spawns wildfires that are destroying entire villages, Russian officials have made what for them is a startling admission: global warming is very real.

    At a meeting of international sporting officials in Moscow on July 30, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev announced that in 14 regions of the country, "practically everything is burning. The weather is anomalously hot." Then, as TV cameras zoomed in on the perspiration shining on his forehead, Medvedev announced, "What's happening with the planet's climate right now needs to be a wake-up call to all of us, meaning all heads of state, all heads of social organizations, in order to take a more energetic approach to countering the global changes to the climate."... [RM],8599,2008081,00.html?hpt=T2[/RM]
  2. jimepting

    jimepting Well-Known Member

    American climate change weapon!!!!!!!!! Common folk will believe anything and scandal sheets will print anything to support those groundless beliefs. I there any hope with this kind of logic in play?
  3. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    AGW is probably a crock of ****.. there are many reasons why it is hot in Russia, the climate has always been variable. I want to see the models validated with real predictions and regressions before we worry too much about it.
  4. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Bob? Is that you? :confused:
  5. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    Actually the major climate models have been repeatedly validated with real predictions, including predictions of extreme local climate events such as the east coast snowstorms and heat waves this summer.

    Speaking of crock, Peter Sinclair has published two more excellent videos in his series "Climate Denial Crock of the Week":
  6. booferama

    booferama He who posts articles

    Big thumbs up!
  7. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    I always assumed that Russia would be one of the beneficiaries of Global Warming-maybe their growing season would be extended a bit(no more sunlight, but less frost), and maybe their more N areas would be easier to live in.

    Guess not.
  8. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    Since there have always been extreme local climate events it's been impossible to conclude that there have been more. It doesn't take computer modeling to make the safe bet that there will be extreme events, that's a for sure, weather is like that.

    Temperature records in Russia from the mid 1930s are now finally being broken. Must have been some extreme local climate event in 1936 when it was 0.1C cooler than the new record.

    Even though the earth has been getting warmer there are still temperature records hot and cold from many decades ago for hot and recently for cold....... As predicted!

    Canada 45 °C (113 °F) Midale and Yellow Grass, Saskatchewan 1937-07-05.

    That was a hot one.
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2010
  9. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    Actually, I should have said that computer climate models predict increased FREQUENCY of extreme weather events, not the individual events themselves. It is definitely possible for models to predict that there will be a higher frequency of extreme events.
  10. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    The models may predict higher frequency, but is that what has been observed?

    This seems to show that hurricanes have not increased.


    And this seems to say there has been no trend in tornadoes over the past 55 years.


    What severe weather events have increased in frequency as predicted? Certainly in a hotter world there will be hotter heat waves but a heat wave is hard to define, Phoenix is a heat wave every summer but they've adapted and don't see thousands of people drunk on vodka drowning?
  11. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    I lean slightly toward the "CO2 increase in ATM is causing a warming of the ATM and seas".

    Why wouldn't an increase in CO2 cause warming?? It absorbs more radiation that would otherwise just go off into space-so why the heck wouldn't it cause warming??

    The usual answer is something like other effects-sunspots are more significant. Is that about it?? Saying the rise in CO2 just isn't important in warming at ATM because other effects are waaaaay more important ?

    Most of the science backing man caused warming- other than the 280 to 380ppm rise- is measuring markers for ATM and sea warming like ice in various glaciers-right? Or average yearly temps at specific places on earth(unfortunately most of the best data is probably cities-which get hotter as the get more built up).

    Is That about it-CO2 not important- data not great-indirect markers are not good stand ins for ATM and sea temp increases??

    Just curious-
  12. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    Another extreme COLD weather events that is caused by global warming, as models predict.

    "The blame lies, at least indirectly, with a mass of Antarctic air that settled over the Southern Cone of South America for most of July. The prolonged cold snap has also been linked to the deaths of at least 550 penguins along the coasts of Brazil and thousands of cattle in Paraguay and Brazil, as well as hundreds of people in the region.

    Water temperatures in Bolivian rivers that normally register about 15 ˚C during the day fell to as low as 4 ˚C."

    Why indirectly and not directly? Oh, because they can speculate this.

    "With such extreme climatic events potentially becoming more common due to climate change, scientists are hurrying to coordinate research into the impact, and how quickly the ecosystem is likely to recover."

    "We hope to secure financing for these studies to find out why the fish are dying," he says. With luck, and money, these will start in October."

  13. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    And yet the headline only mentions penguins. :confused:

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