Honda Is Entrusting CleanMPG With the 6-speed CR-Z For A Week :D

Discussion in 'Honda Hybrids' started by xcel, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Lee Moon wrote up this tribute to his own CR-Z pictured here.

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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Nice car and great numbers, Lee ! Wonder what I could get with this. And it's much prettier than my homely-ass Prius.
     
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  3. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Heh. Swap the hyphen around and you have a "homely ass-Prius". :D
     
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  4. Prozac

    Prozac Well-Known Member

    I am truly enjoying my 2011. I have hit a plateau of about 51 mpgs, but I do have these pesky Colorado Springs "hills" to deal with.
     
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  5. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    51 is LOTS over EPA , John. I am passed every day by some gearhead in a CR-Z. He darts in and out of traffic like a thoughtless moron. Up until a few months ago , he had a battered old Eclipse that he drove exactly the same way. He's probably high-fiving himself for getting 33 MPG instead of the 22 he was getting in his Eclipse. Around here , most people have never gotten the memo that your MPG results are only as good as you are. I see many Prii passing me at 70 MPH when I'm on the highway going 55.
    Gas is cheap ; no one cares. Okay, rant over.
     
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  6. Prozac

    Prozac Well-Known Member

    Edwin,

    It is that same here. The people who tailgate me the most are monster trucks and Prii. The person who owned it before me averaged about 36 mpgs over the last 9000 miles before I got it. I personally cannot see how he got below 40 mpgs, but to each their own. I have to do a mix of Eco and Normal due to the Colorado "hills". It is almost impossible for me to stay out assist due to terrain, but I am still killing the EPA, so "Game On"!
     
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  7. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    Thank you for the kind words, John and Edwin. I just signed up on the site today despite being a lurker for a few years. The CR-Z is a great fit for my needs and I couldn't be more pleased with it being my first hybrid. It's a car that I enjoy getting in every single day.

    I finished 2015 with an overall average of 43.93 mpg calculated over almost 5.5 years and 76,000 miles. The helpful information here and on the Facebook page have helped me become a better, more efficient driver. :)
     
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  8. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    I thought I'd share this little slideshow video I created yesterday. Just some photos of some of my cars over the years. The CR-Z is featured prominently. :)
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Lee:

    That was fantastic!

    Wayne
     
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  10. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    Just sharing a little article about my Honda CR-Z that I posted on Facebook a couple of days ago. This is slightly edited from the Facebook version.

    What I Drive: A 2-seat Hybrid
    by Lee Moon

    To start off, let me tell you about my previous cars. I'll skip the ones I had up through college.

    My first new car was a 1982 Honda Prelude. Loved that car. It was sensible and sporty, yet comfortable.
    Next up, a 1984 Nissan 300ZX. This particular car had the analog gauges and a solid roof. While in for service, the dealership owner wanted to buy it. He said it was the strongest running Z-car they'd ever had in the shop. It was a pretty awesome car. Until I picked up a 1985 model with T-Tops and the digital instrument cluster. I had that 300ZX for many years and it was my favorite car for a long time. Both my Z-cars were 2-seaters, whereas the Prelude was a 2-door 4-seater.

    Eventually I got a 4 door car, a 1997 Mercury Mystique. It was fun to drive, peppy, and even got decent fuel economy for the time.

    My next car was a 2008 Honda Civic Coupe. I loved this car and enjoyed returning to the 2-door body style. The 2-tier gauge cluster/digital displays were excellent. But, I had seen a concept car from Honda called a CR-Z. I decided to drive the Civic until the CR-Z was released and then see if it was truly something I'd be interested in. While I waited, I started driving the Civic more efficiently. Though rated at 25 City/35 Highway/30 Combined MPG, I averaged a respectable 37 MPG during my ownership of it.

    August 24, 2010. That was the day I test drove and purchased my 2011 Honda CR-Z Sport Hybrid and was the first official day of U.S. sales. It is an EX model with CVT and Navi. During the test drive, I told the salesperson that I was sold if it performed on par with my Civic. It did and though the stated EPA fuel economy numbers were low for a hybrid, I wanted an efficient 2-seater car again that was fun to drive, especially in the corners. Besides, I'd read up on the CR-Z prior to its release and knew that the EPA numbers were based on the car being driven in Normal mode. I figured I might be able to get better than the stated 35 City/39 Highway/37 Combined MPG in Normal mode and Econ mode might give me even better results. Having driven and autocrossed my Nissans in the past, I also knew that Sport mode might cost me some significant fuel efficiency. I promised myself that I'd use Sport mode sparingly. Hah!

    During just over 6 years of ownership, the CR-Z has given me a combined average of 44.27 MPG. This is despite my enthusiasm for using Sport mode regularly in the first few years. My lowest efficiency fill up netted me an amazingly thrifty 36 MPG. Still slightly above the EPA city rating. The best tank I've ever gotten was a 63 MPG fill up. Once I settled in to using Econ mode more often, I saw my per tank fuel efficiency climb to the upper 40's and then into the 50+ MPG mark. Indeed, in 2016, my fuel economy for the entire year averaged 51.02 MPG. While I love my 44+ MPG lifetime overall efficiency, I truly am astonished by the consistent 50+ averages I have been getting since May 2016.

    So, I have managed over 44 MPG in around 6.5 years of ownership. That includes some spirited driving between each fill up, even taking it to the mountains of Georgia, Tennessee, and North Carolina to drive the infamous "Tail of the Dragon" highway (318 curves in 11 miles) on many occasions.
    The CR-Z is fun to drive, has idle stop, handles incredibly well (0.85 to 0.875 G lateral acceleration -- way better than my Nissan 300ZXs did), is reasonably quick (0-60 MPH in about 8.5 to 9 seconds), is to my eye a great looking little car, has just enough tech to make me happy (awesome digital gauges, auto climate control, navigation, decent stereo, hands-free iPhone connectivity, etc.), and stellar reliability.
    As of this writing, I've put about 83,000 miles on the car and have had 1 repair done to it for a door handle problem. My local dealership handles all the maintenance and the car gets serviced promptly via the in-car service reminder. The CR-Z has been an absolute delight to own and drive. Every time I get in the car, I look forward to going somewhere.

    I could not have asked for anything better in my first hybrid. Especially a sporty 2-seater. As someone coming from less efficient cars, the CR-Z was a big step up for me. If I had been driving a first generation Honda Insight or any generation of Toyota Prius prior to getting a CR-Z, I might have felt differently about the fuel economy. But I didn't. Like many drivers, I had been driving less efficient vehicles and this was my chance to dip my toes into the hybrid/alternative fuel vehicle world. What a great introduction to higher efficiency, lower polluting driving.

    It's not the greenest car out there, but it is the most efficient 2-seater without a plug manufactured from 2010 through 2016. And that's why I bought and continue to enjoy my Honda CR-Z.

    With that said, I've been given a taste of what a mildly electrified powertrain can do. Now I want more electrification. And I want it in a 2-door/2-seater car.

    I'm waiting auto manufacturers. :)
     
  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Great write-up , Lee. And a fantastic car. The first time I saw one on the road I did a double-take. It's pretty exotic-looking.
     
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  12. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    The CR-Z is (was) a great looking car , .. but time marches on ... and not always in the direction one would expect.

    Today's 6mt Civic (bigger, heavier, more powerful than a cr-z) beats the 6mt CR-Z's steady states by 25%+. Add a turbocharger, get rid of the hybridization ,.. and voila!


    2011 6mt CR-Z:
    • 50 mph - 53 mpg
    • 60 mph - 46 mpg
    • 70 mph - 38 mpg

    2017 6mt Civic:
    • 50 mph = 66 mpg
    • 60 mph = 59 mpg
    • 70 mph = 49 mpg
     
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  13. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    Thank you, Edwin. As you can tell, I really enjoy the car. :)

    Carcus, the new generation of Civics are awesome cars. I loved my 8th gen Civic Coupe, didn't care so much for the 9th gens, but the 10th generation is awesome. I really like the proportions on the sedan. Enough to where I've considered buying one. But, I'm holding out for an affordable 2-seat hybrid or PHEV. I figure the CR-Z is still good for a few more years. :) Yeah, you're right about the steady states. It's a shame that Honda didn't give the 6mt CR-Z a taller 6th gear for highway cruising. I've forgotten what revs the 6mt is turning at 60 mph, but the CVT is definitely a little lower. However, a better skilled driver than myself would see better overall efficiency in the 6mt.
     
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  14. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    85,000 miles later...
    I'm still LOVING my 2011 Honda CR-Z. My winter time drives (and some Sport mode) have yielded a little over 47 mpg on this tank. The CR-Z remains a car that is perfect for me and my lifestyle. It's reasonably efficient, fun to drive, and super reliable. My faithful chariot!
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Lee:

    And it - the CR-Z - still looks as good today as it did so many years ago. :)

    Wayne
     
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  16. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    Thank you, Wayne! I will still wander around the car and admire the design. The CR-Z has been a great purchase and it's given me something a bit more than just a "Point A to Point B" vehicle. I've been fortunate to really enjoy the cars I've bought over the years. If you're going to spend all that money, you might as well get something you'll enjoy and be proud to drive and maintain. :)
     
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  17. Markus

    Markus Active Member

    This brings back fond memories of my trusty old CR-X. A real beauty!
     
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  18. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    Hey Markus, a coworker of mine during my Honeywell days had a late 80's CR-X si. That was such a fun car to ride in. I remember how it built up acceleration and felt like a beast in the upper RPM range. The CR-X was (is) an awesome car!
     
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I had an '89 Civic Si , and my buddy had a '90 CRX Si. Both were GREAT cars.
     
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  20. Markus

    Markus Active Member

    My Civic hatchback reminds me of the old CR-X, but with a back seat! I actually saw a beautiful red CR-Z in traffic yesterday. They are very rare in these parts.
     
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