Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Jun 12, 2010.
Is Wayne still alive?
Made it with lots of room to spare while having my hands tied behind my back
Going back to Basic and Intermediate techniques and not going after that key takes fortitude as there are so many places (literally hundreds to thousands) where the ICE is idling away while gliding down the road! The drive home was a bit more challenging than the first heading to NY with a 5 to 15 mph headwind right down the center of the hood from middle of PA all the way through IN. We probably lost a good 2 to 4 or so mpg from that headwind alone
Since I had the TomTom attached to the windscreen, I had a spare Garmin w/ elevation readouts and I plugged that into the Sonata’s second 12V port to watch elevations… From almost sea level to 2,250’ to 660’ plus tens of thousands of feet of elevation delta’s in between was an amazing study.
Anyway, I got home around 11:00 PM last night and started digging through over 600 E-Mails and over 1,200 in my spam folder just to make sure. I talked with my son (my wife let him dye his hair yellow/blonde while I was away ). I then had the longest deep sleep of my life. From 03:30 AM, I was out until almost 06:00 PM this afternoon!
With wonderful temps for Hypermiling (high 80’s to mid-90’s) but not so much for the human body most of yesterday, it just proves we are getting old faster than we may or may not think… And if asked to leave for another Event drive in the next 10-minutes, Sure!
Here are the final aFCD and Trip A/B shots:
aFCD at 56.7 mpg – 1/3 of a tank still left.
Trip A/B at 845.3 miles – 1/3 of a tank still left.
2011 Hyundai Sonata Challenge - Return Trip
Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6OdometerElevationTrip A/B - Cumulative DistanceOEM aFCD Tank mpgLocationComments
5,451150’ResetResetJericho, NYTopped off, departed 6/25/10 11:06pm
5,549325’98.254.5NJ/PA BorderEscape from NY successful
5,638650’186.954.7PA Rest AreaNappy time
5,683840’232.2 54.5McDonald's in Lamar, PABreakfast at my favorite
5,7432,250’292.653.9Early on in PAI-80’s Highest Point East of the Mississippi
5,7881,325’336.855.4Somewhere in PALost First pip off the gas gauge!
5,849985’398.756.4Somewhere in PALost Second Pip.
5,851940’400.056.5PA/Ohio Border --
5,927825’476.957.0Ohio SomewhereLost Third Pip.
6,002625’55157.2Ohio SomewhereLost Fourth Pip.
6,072900’62156.7Ohio SomewhereLost Fifth Pip.
6,130680’67956.7Somewhere in INLost sixth pip – Half a tank indicated.
6,226775’77557.2Somewhere in INLost seventh pip.
6,296660’845.356.7HomeFinished! Lost 8th pip in the drive overnight I think???
About that short lower seat cushion/bolster, after 17-hours in the car and another 5 or so while sleeping in PA, my body was no worse than while doing the same in anything else so it was not a problem.
Man... that thing is a high machine. I'm really hoping that the Elantra (and their other lineup) refresh is as exiting as the Sonata when if finally lands here.
Still a bit groggy from all the sleep? Or maybe it was the 3,750 miles in 10-days while behind the windscreens of the Sonata and the GS while fully geared in temps raging from the high 70’s to 102 degrees F That was the hottest 3,750 miles I have ever drove/ridden in my life!
The 2011 Sonata performed spectacularly and I have a few miles to place on it tonight including the final fill for the final actual. I suspect it will come in around 55 mpg or thereabouts but who knows until it’s topped off again. I will try and get the steady state speed FE data including w/ and w/out A?C done tonight during my travels as well.
Unfortunately, tomorrow is a sad day as the 2011 Hyundai Sonata goes back to the Press Fleet handlers for some other group set to destroy it w/ 0 to 60 mph runs, hard braking and cornering and to literally beat the hell out of it because it is not their car For $19,195 plus $100 for the floor mats as driven, it turned out to be both comfortable and a spectacular ride. To beat the almighty Accord and do so for thousands less is quite an accomplishment. My hats off to Hyundai for making the 2011 Sonata the “Car to Own” for the masses today… And the upcoming 2011 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid the “Car to Own” for most of us later this year
Ophbalance, indeed it is! I am not saying it was easy work because it was not but right now, there are few sub-compact, compact or midsize sedans other than the hybrids that can touch it when taken to its limits. I cannot make a Malibu, Camry, Fusion, Accord or any mid-sized or larger hybrids approach its 65 + mpg highway achievement while throwing the book at them. Maybe a Fit, an Elantra w/ a stick, Focus w/ a stick, possibly a Fiesta or upcoming Cruze but few will do the 68 + mpg dance. And none are as well equipped, none are nearly as safe and none are even close in the size department as the 2011 Sonata.
And I almost forgot... I have the SG-II ready for final calibration as well. Even with NICE-On's, it appears the Sonata's BUS does not transmit the change quickly enough for an accurate SG-II readout. Better than a FAS of course but there appears to be some lag between let's say a glide at over 150 mpg and a light acceleration w/ 68 to 75% load showing in the mid to high 20 mpg's...
Congrats on another job well done.
Amazing to show what can be achieved if you just set your mind (and your pedal) to it.
Interesting - on the 1000 mile drive, we lost that 8th pip about a half gallon before the 16 gallon fill. If the gage is 100% linear in measurement 100% of the time (or at least twice in a row ) this would be 845 miles on 15.6 gallons, or 54.17mpg. This would make the OEM aFCD of 56.7 about 2-1/2 high. And if this is true, I really wouldn't complain about it on my Sonata. The aFCD built into most cars doesn't have the data resolution needed to calculate those really high mpg numbers. Any number over 50mpg in a full size car is amazing, and the fact that it is so repeatable and so within reach with intermediate techniques is evidence that Hyundai has a winner on their hands.
Good work Hyundai, on a car whose fuel efficiency sets a new benchmark for the segment. And good work, Wayne, on exploring the capabilities of the new Sonata and showing us what is possible with it.
I topped it off this morning at a BP in Kenosha, WI with the following results… Pretty good but boy do I wish I could have let it loose as we did on the first run to NY City for the "big" numbers
I even listened to the 2011 Sonata’s included XM Radio (partial to a little hip-hop on “90’s on 9”) all the way home since I did not need to concentrate on much of anything but the surroundings
A little dirty and thirsty as she sat at the station in Kenosha, WI for her final fill early this morning...
56.5 mpg per the aFCD - 864.4 miles on 16.291 gallons = 53.06 mpgUS actual.
Give me a few minutes as I have the steady state speed results w/ A/C and w/out but need to table them for coherency.
So staying "mild" (beginner and intermediate) and eschewing "wild" (advanced) returned 53mpg in a sub-$20k full size car with almost 200hp. Throw the book at it and you get an extra 10-12mpg out of it. Incredible!
The 2011 Sonata is definitely one amazing vehicle, and it should make us CleanMPG'ers salivate over what is coming in the next Elantra and Accent.
What one of the CleanMPG members was really interested in
I drove a North-South section of I-94 from the WI/IL border to Milwaukee and back again. This was performed a number of times for the information below. Temps ranged from 71 to 74 degrees with a light 5-mph cross wind out of the West. The route consists of reasonably small elevation delta’s of between 650’ and 830’. I would set cruise control at the target speed; reset the aFCD at a given Elevation as displayed in a Garmin 1490T and after at least 4-miles, would record the aFCD when the same elevation was crossed. I repeated this in both directions taking the average and rounding to the nearest ½ mpg.
In the interest of some members, I performed the same with and without A/C. The car was warmed up and all data was taken on the fly without impediments. There was a fair amount of traffic on I-94 this morning so some Traffic side was unfortunately or not introduced.
2011 Hyundai Sonata - Steady State Cruse Fuel Economy Test Data
Column1Column2Column3Column4Speed (mph)Average aFCD (mpgUS)Actual FE (6% negative offset applied to give an actual mpgUS)A/C (with or without)
45 mph57.0 mpgUS53.5 mpgUSWithout
50 mph54.0 mpgUS51.0 mpgUSWithout
55 mph51.5 mpgUS48.0 mpgUSWithout
60 mph47.0 mpgUS44.0 mpgUSWithout
65 mph43.5 mpgUS41.0 mpgUSWithout
70 mph41.0 mpgUS38.5 mpgUSWithout
45 mph55.0 mpgUS51.5 mpgUSWith
50 mph51.5 mpgUS48.0 mpgUSWith
55 mph49.0 mpgUS46.0 mpgUSWith
60 mph45.0 mpgUS42.5 mpgUSWith
65 mph39.0 mpgUS36.5 mpgUSWith
70 mph36.0 mpgUS34.0 mpgUSWith
And what was alluded to in the FE CC Data… Final SG-II offsets while employing beginner and intermediate techniques needed a 6% negative offset to match the actual. About right for a ScanGauge-II attached to most cars in the summer.
And a few pics of the accents and features I have been talking about the past two weeks… These are included on all models including the base model as reviewed and shown!
2011 Hyundai Sonata - Steering Wheel Controls
Upper Left – Mode, Tuning and Volume controls. Upper Right – Cruise Control
Lower Left – Bluetooth Phone controls. Lower Right – Trip Computer Functions
XM, Audio, Hands Free Cell and a Trip Computer on the $19,195 Base model? Wait until you see the comparisons to its competition in the Mid-sized, Compact and Sub-compact classes!
Again, this is a base model and includes variable dash illumination (all vehicles I have driven as of late include this of course), Stability Control On/Off, and what many vehicle manufacturers are moving away from, that being interior fuel door and trunk releases.
2011 Hyundai Sonata Interior Controls and Releases
Excellent photo of the trunk and fuel filler release buttons. I recall one review (C-R, I believe) said the buttons were adjacent and could be easy to confuse, but the photo here shows the convex bump on the trunk release button that allows the driver to locate the button by feel. Not all inexpensive cars have an inside fuel release, but Hyundai included it on the Sonata. Just another unexpected feature that didn't fall under the knife of the cost-control department, and a very handy addition for the next gas price spike when siphoning thefts again become a problem in urban and suburban environments.
Some very subtle but very important highlights to accentuate the 2011 Sonata experience. Again, this is very unusual for a car costing under $20K to include this level of upscale detail.
2011 Hyundai Sonata – Vent and Radio Controls
Notice the chrome vent angle adjustment tab and the chromed edged Open/Close roller wheel?
In addition, a number of chromed accents around the radio and ventilation controls.
While you have to get used to the Sitting Man, after two or three days, you will discover how easy the electronic controls are to operate. Just hit the man and the air flow can be changed from upper level dash only to the floor only or to both or defrost and floor. Very simple and easy to do without fumbling around. All the buttons and switches have a decent tactile feel as discussed very early on in the thread.
Although I did not take a pic of it, there is an overhead LED Center Console soft light with just enough glow so you can find your Pepsi (if that is what you drink ) or pad and paper without fumbling around in the dark with the interior lights not being illuminated.
All are nice touches and again, all of this for under $20K??? I have driven $30K + vehicles without this level of detail and feel of luxury!
The daylight photo of the radio and HVAC also do not show that the labels for the buttons are backlit in a cool ice-blue at night, and everything is very well lit and labeled with clear lettering. The buttons have those thin "keys" of fixed plastic between them so they are easy to locate by feel when you have spent a few days with the car and have gotten to know how everything is laid out.
Also shown in the photo above is the location of the hazard flasher button - perfect position for a momentary flicker to warn speeders approaching from behind without having to move your hand far from the wheel.
And finally 2011 Hyundai Sonata - Variable Intermittent wiper controls are standard on the base all the way up. Most midsize automobiles include these today but many still don’t while expecting you to pay extra for this basic feature…
2011 Hyundai Sonata - Variable Intermittent Wiper Controls
And something else I forgot to take a pic of… Darn it, I always remember this stuff when the car has been driven back to its hideout in Bensenville, IL.
The Center armrest/console is a dual storage type unit. The top opens for the easy to get to items like possibly a wallet, notepad/pens, change, Bluetooth connected cell phone etc. The bottom section opens up for storage of your iPod/Zune with the input in the Aux input located at the bottom, CD’s, various other sundry items you may or may not carry in your vehicle and all can be accessed by two levers. One for the top section and one for the bottom. Both levers are on top of one another other while not interfering with each other.
EDIT - by MaxxMPG - Here's a snapshot of the two storage compartments on the Sonata center armrest, and also glove box and pair of cupholders.
Upper left shows upper storage compartment - perfect for cell phone or receipts. No need to place your sunglasses in there because the Sonata has a handy sunglass holder above the rearview mirror, by the dual map lights.
Lower left shows roomy lower storage compartment - deep enough for larger items like a small camera bag. It also would fit the owners manual, which is the size and weight of a small dictionary. Some owners have complained about rattling from the glovebox, but it turns out that moving the manual to the center console resolves the rattle. The "rattle" turns out to be nothing more than that zillion-page 40 pound fly swatter they include in the glove box.
And the cup holders are big enough for a Big Gulp, although as Karen has mentioned in the past, the forward cup holder does get in the way of shifts to 2/4/6, so you'd want to use the rear cup holder in the 6MT Sonata.
The ever important linked mileage log:
And saying goodbye to my trusted steed after a long and arduous trek to the Big Apple and back again. As most here know, I quickly become attached to the Review vehicles that show up every once in a while. This one turned out to be pretty darn special indeed!
2011 Hyundai Sonata – Saying Goodbye
Mr. Kleist of STI driving the Hyundai Sonata back to its real owners.
And did I mention “I cannot believe you receive all of this in an automobile for less than $20K”? Yeah, I know. About 20 times already
We’ll have a few more items to add in a few as Chris has setup a very interesting and pertinent historical angle to the 2011 Hyundai Sonata “Challenge” - One day, 1,000 miles and just one tank of gas and what happened on Long Island over 80-years ago... Stay tuned
Great work! Thanks very much!
[fflash=right]http://www.youtube.com/v/vZEdF1pPLEo&hl=en_US&fs=1[/fflash]You are welcome
The Spirit of St. Louis and 2011 Hyundai Sonata parallels.
A historic look back.
Charles Lindbergh, otherwise known as “Lucky Lindy”, left Long Island’s Roosevelt Field at 07:52 AM on May 20, 1927. His trek was noteworthy due to the fact this was the first time a man and heavier than air machine were able to fly solo and non-stop across the Atlantic. The much heralded Spirit of St Louis (the “Flying Gas Tank”) with over 2,700 pounds of fuel onboard was flown non-stop over 3,600 statute miles landing on the outskirts of Paris after 33.5 hours of dead reckoning and navigating by the stars when visible by the now famous and at the time, young aviator…
Lindbergh’s first plane and the one he flew his first solo in was a US Army surplus Jenny. That plane was found dismantled and stored in a barn in Iowa in the early 70's. With dedication and hard work by aviation enthusiasts, the plane was carefully restored and is now on display at the Cradle of Aviation Museum located in Garden City, New York, adjacent to the site once occupied by Roosevelt Field from which Lindbergh took off on his famous solo flight to Paris in 1927.
While not even close to a 3,600 mile trek, not nearly as noteworthy and something anyone can do when they put their eyes on the prize and mind to it, the 2011 Hyundai Sonata proved its worth during its own single tank of fuel dash across an all-highway distance some may have considered impossible from this large a sedan at its introduction just 7-months ago.
Just like the Spirit of St. Louis’ flight some 83-years prior, Hyundai now offers a large and fully equipped sedan in the form of the all-new Sonata capable of taking us to whatever location we deem desirable on a minimum amount of fuel. Skipping the dreaded pump while we traverse the vast distances from Anypoint, USA to any other point anywhere else is just a by-product of excellent design and engineering and all for a cost most anyone can afford.
2011 Hyundai Sonata at the Cradle of Aviation – Long Island, NY
Can you even imagine what Charles Lindbergh would have thought about today’s large yet
inexpensive, long range, bank vault safe and fully instrumented 2011 Hyundai Sonata?
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