Lowest electric bill ever.

Discussion in 'Emissions' started by southerncannuck, Apr 30, 2010.

  1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Edit due to update.
    June 2013, 31d to 7/8/2013, 480kWh (15.48kWh/d). 2012: 546 kWh/32d (17.06kWh/d).
    Annualized: 14.99kWh/d, 624.5Wce.
    (3/2009 24.15kWh) -37.93%, -=0.14kWh/d.

    "Leaf":28.43mi, 7.8 of 20.8 miles home. 4 commute/wk-h-v: 52.29 mi.

    TOU: 69.79% off-peak (8pm-7am+we+hol). -$6.11.

    Incidentally, we have a payment plan that fixes the payment every 6 months. Having been consistently reducing consumption and thus having a payment plan with payments higher than the actual amount, we built up enough of a buffer that our current monthly payment is $27. :D

    As a side note, my city is finally going to get natural gas, so hopefully I'll be able to get NG before December 2014 and get off heating oil and our old furnace, saving both energy and money. The initial pipeline permits have been granted to lay pipe that will supply NG to a paper mill (disposable packaging, limited production; my city doesn't stink).
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2013
  2. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Edited due to update

    7/2013 (8/7/2013) 565kWh/30d (18.83 kWh/d) 2012:632 kWh/30d (21.07kWh/d)
    Annualized 14.80kWh/d, 616.9Wce.
    (3/2009 24.15kWh) -38.69% -0.19kWh/d.

    Leaf: 29.00 miles, 8.4/20.8 mi home. 4c/wk-h-v 53.34 miles.

    61.59% off-peak (8pm-7am + we + h). TOU -$3.29, -$22.14.
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2013
  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I sometimes forget that there is still a fair amount of America that uses oil-burning furnaces.
    In suburban Chicago , I can (barely) remember my parents having an oil tank behind their garage , but I think the home had been converted to gas sometime in the 50's.
    There are still a lot of people who rely on propane , which as delivered , is about twice as expensive as pipeline gas. You can go 40-50 miles outside of Chicago and be in one of those areas.
    I hope the switch to natural gas saves you some $$$ (and of course , emissions).
  4. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Edited due to update.

    8/2013 (33d to 9/9/2013) 522kWh (15.82 kWh/d). 8/2012 512 kWh/30d (17.13Wh/d).
    14.71kWh/d,612.7Wce. (3/2009 24.15kWh) -39.10%, -0.09kWh/d.

    "Leaf"": 29.31m, 8.7 of 20.8 home. 4 commute/wk-hol-vac 53.91mi.

    TOU fr3/2013. 67.24% off-peak (8pm-7am+we+ho). -=$4.68 == $26.82.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2013
  5. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    My brother and his wife each drive an EV (i MiEV and Leaf respectively) and after their 6.37kW solar PV system installed, they paid ~$18 in July, and they have a ~66kWh credit from August. That includes A/C and a new heatpump hot water heater - they replaced an oil hot water system that was costing them about $1,000/year.

    They have lowered their electric bill from $70-180/month, and that includes their daily driving and they no longer using fossil fuel for anything except the occasional use of his Tacoma.
  6. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    I ust had my highest bill ever. 250. Family has been in and out of town.
  7. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    At least now you know how much you can afford to pay for their hotel next time. ;)
  8. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Hahahaha ain't that the truth. Never had a bill over $180 before. Average is $130or so with lows around $70. Weather's been cooperating so next bill should be WAY lower.

    Funny thing is that although my fam loves the lights, they hate a/c which is the big light bill filler. Still trying to figure that one out.
  9. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Edited due to update.

    9/2013 (28d to 10/7/2013) 362kWh (12.93 kWh/d). 9/2012 451 kWh/32d (14.09kWh/d).
    14.62kWh/d,609.3Wce. (3/2009 24.15kWh) -39.45%, -0.09kWh/d.

    "Leaf"": 29.56m, 9 of 20.8 home. 4 commute/wk-hol-vac 54.38mi.

    TOU fr3/2013. 64.64% off-peak (8pm-7am+we+ho). -=$3.94 == $30.75.
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2013
  10. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Edited due to later update.

    10/2013 (29d 11/5) 361kWh (12.25kWh/d) 2012: 385kWh/28d/13.75Wh/d.
    14.52kWh/d, 604.9Wce.
    (3/2009 24.15kWh) -39.89%, -0.10kWh/d.

    "Leaf": 29.89mi, 9.3mi/20.8mi home. 4/wk-h-v: 54.99 miles.

    67.04% off-peak (8pm-7am+we+h). -$3.42 >=3/2013 $34.17.
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2013
  11. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    Itsnotaboutthemoney- Have you thought about going with a heat pump for heating your house? Probably less expensive than gas plus you have air if it is ever required. Much more comfortable than gas. H
  12. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    You got me thinking so I went back to see how much I have dropped my electric bill over the last two years or so. July is my worst month with A/C usage pulling the most power. I told you about swapping out my four bulb T12 florescent for three bulb T8 ceiling lights at work. Old tech four 40 watt T12 bulb unit pulls 170 watts. My new three bulb T8 units which putt out more light pull 85 watts. :)

    July 2011 3520 Kwh used $387.78 All T12 units and three Exit lights using six 20 watt incandescent bulbs.

    On July 20th 2012 I swapped out 12 of nineteen units and replaced the 20 watt exit lights with 1.2 watt LED's

    July 2012 3130 Kwh used $324.62

    Sept 7th of 2012 I swapped out another six units.

    July 2013, 2330 Kwh used $255.64

    I just swapped out a little used four bulb unit using 170 Watts for a two bulb T8 that uses 56 and 1/3 watts. :)

    I have stood on my soap box trying to convince people that doing the swap in their businesses would save them some serious money and they just sit there and shrug their shoulders like it isn't worth the cost compared to the savings. Hell I got a check for $500 for energy savings rebate for my doing my change over from the state. A one year payback and people still tell me it isn't worth it. :eek: I paid for my new front loader washer at work in nine months with just the water savings. I'm saving over 4,000 gallons of water and probably $150 a month with my water and sewage bills. :D

    The only thing left is my storage room which has two, four 75 watt bulb eight foot T12 units in it. Those bad boys pull at least 620 watts when you flip on the light switch. :(

    So replacing those two units with two four bulb T8 units is on my to do list next spring.

    225 watts with the T8's vs 620 watts with the T12's is a no brainer.
  13. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry for the delay in responding, I'm just back in here because my November-December bill is in. Another small drop. ;)

    We have "radiant" baseboard heating, not forced air. Since we really only get hot enough here for AC 2 months of the year (peak high in July is a little over 80F) radiant is preferred and I wouldn't be replacing them.

    I'm actually thinking that I might have a simple NG furnace conversion (replace the burner on the furnace with an NG burner) combined with a heat pump to up the overall efficiency.

    Electricity isn't the cheapest here (flat rate is 13.7c and my TOU off-peak for the cold winter months will actually be a bit higher than the flat rate) and there are signs of an electricity price jump coming in March*. With winter getting a bit chilly** the benefits of a heat pump are reduced. I do like electricity, but I think we'd end up combining.

    I had an energy audit last week and I should get heating options in the report.

    * The supply price year begins in March, with supply prices fixed for a 12 month period. Standard offer initial proposals are due at the Maine PUC tomorrow, 12/11, so next year's prices should come out fairly soon.
    ** Average temperature dips below freezing from late November to mid-late March, and below 20F from late December to mid February
  14. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    It's shocking how much it helps. less power for lights, less heat from the lights, less power for A/C. Don't give up on them. Maybe you could offer to put in new lights for them if they give your their savings. :p
  15. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Edit due to update

    11/2013 (31d 12/6/2013) 446kWh (14.39kWh/d), 2012 478kWh/31d (15.42Wh/d).
    14.43kWh/d, or 601.2Wce
    (3/2009 24.15kWh) -40.25%, -0.09kWh/d.

    "Leaf": 30.17mi, 4cd/wk-h-v 55.49miles.

    70.40% off-peak (8pm-7am + we+h) 3/2013- -$36.88.
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2014
  16. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    This morning's frosty roof gave me some clues about ceiling insulation in various parts of the house. The attic is segmented with walls dividing it, so I can see where the thermal leaks are. Living room is the problem. I suspect the recessed lights may be contributing.

    Bill has been mostly consistent from last year. Predictable since no renovations have happened since. 569 kWh in October, 958 in November. House is all electric with heat pump central air and heat pump water heater.
  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Andrew , you need to lose the recessed lighting and just have some naked bulbs hanging about 8" from the ceiling. That way any excess heat will stay in the room.

    I'm joking of course , but it does seem that recessed lighting traps all the waste heat from your lights.
  18. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Aesthetics aside, that would be logical in winter. Probably fewer or smaller bulbs could be used, since the fixtures block part of the light. In summer, better to send that waste heat out the top.
  19. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Nice. Recessed lighting can apparently be a big source of leaks and should be sealed.
  20. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I have LED's in there so that heat source isn't a huge deal. I think air leakage in the cans themselves is the problem. And those attic dividing walls I mentioned earlier leave some thermal gaps in the insulation.

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