Lowest electric bill ever.

Discussion in 'Emissions' started by southerncannuck, Apr 30, 2010.

  1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Lowest electric bill ever. -- longest post ever.

    Nice work.

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  2. all_about_the_glide

    all_about_the_glide Well-Known Member

    Built the table in excel...lost the formatting when I pasted the data into the post.
  3. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

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  4. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry, I mean that I use formulae that build a formatted strings of values and then paste it into here. The separation of data and formatting makes it easier to make changes: update, copy, paste.
  5. all_about_the_glide

    all_about_the_glide Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I think I got it...will try it next time.
  6. vangonebuy

    vangonebuy Well-Known Member

    All about the glide
    Really nice upgrade, Solid State Drive included. Well thought out. Good Luck.

    Try this website. http://grano.la/
    Nice little program that powers down the computer chip when not needed. It might be redundant for your system already, But it's saved me quite a few kwh so far.
    Oh yea....It's FREE !

    Also the timer installed APC looks great. Wish they were around when I started with my timers.

    1 watt left on all year = 8.74Kwh
  7. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    365.25 * 24 = 8766
  8. all_about_the_glide

    all_about_the_glide Well-Known Member


    Thank's for the Granola tip...I'll do my due diligence this week. The solid state drive and lots of ram make for fast enough (8 second) wake up times from hibernation to full usability that aggressive power saving settings can be employed. Also, the NAS handles all of the backup routines during the workday so I can power down my workstation as I head out the door.

    The multi-function printer's 40 "watt power saving" mode is a farce. Starting this week, it's normal state is off. The APC timer is just there to power it down in case we forget to flip the printer's switch to zero.

    I can't wait for the batteries in the battery backups to fry (they are all getting long in the tooth) so I can get all our IT gear on timers.
  9. EVuser

    EVuser Well-Known Member

    PGE read their meter on Monday morning. That starts another year of monthly debits or credits to our electric bill. 2011-12 was 10th year with credits left on the table and total of about $60 in metering charge.

    Time to put away the electric space heaters and get back into the conservation mode. We use to "true up" in the summer and this is much nicer from a planning perspective.

    Net metering solar works well for us. :flag:
  10. all_about_the_glide

    all_about_the_glide Well-Known Member


    Dude, thanks for the Granola link. Between work in home have it on 5 computers now: it claims it's saving 44.8% of CPU energy or 233.1 kWh/yr on the old VAIO laptop I'm using right now and about 30% on my new work desktop in the post on the previous page. Haven't notice any performance degradation either--phenomenal. Gave the link to a potential customer in Iceland today and my bro in Ecuador...guess I'm evangelizing.

    Last edited: Mar 3, 2012
  11. vangonebuy

    vangonebuy Well-Known Member

    AATGlide. Glad to help.

    Granola keeps my old Dell from toasting my leg. Runs about 32 watts. Unless I crank up the speakers. :D

    What is your new desktop computer wattage now?
    I am looking to upgrade the family laptop.
    Never thought of the SS drive for saving power. That's a great idea.
    Hard drive shortage was so bad in December, Dell wanted to put 2 - 1/2 TB drives in my laptop. I couldn't get a version with one. So I waited. Still am.
    Hard drives are the most unreliable and power hungry part in a laptop....Let's get 2. Duh!

    Oh yea, Thanks for the math lesson. :p
  12. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Lowest February ever. Less than half my 5-year average. Again it's a combination of weather and the new heat pump, but it's AWESOME. :D

    2012: 1466 kWh, $92
    Average: 3453 kWh, $215
  13. all_about_the_glide

    all_about_the_glide Well-Known Member


    Will buy or check out a kill a watt from my library and report back.

    Not only does the ssd consume less power than a spinner it's speed advantage means you spend more time in idle, sleep, hibernate, off. Pulse and glide.

    Hard drive prices ouch! Bought two western digital 1tb enterprise class drives for the Synology NAS. Wanted to wait for supplies and prices to normalize but couldn't.
  14. vangonebuy

    vangonebuy Well-Known Member

    Remember this quote, Back in September...?

    I know you cant compare years due to weather. But how much $ have you saved from average years so far?
    Estimate a payback in years?

    Cause your Kwh savings sound insane. That's less than half.
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2012
  15. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    This is usually the end of a heating season so I can comment on that. Comparing by degree-days, which helps account for weather differences, I'm paying about 2/3 as much to heat my house. This is right in line with the projections, so I expect the summer savings to be similar as well.

    At this rate it looks like a 10 year payoff (+- a couple years, of course). However, when you factor in the upcoming announced price increases, the picture gets better. 18% price increase = 8.5 years payback.

    This winter (dec, jan, feb) saved me $300 compared to (average) previous years. That's enough to pay for my upcoming attic ventilation upgrades (currently near zero), which will help reduce the summer bills even more. It's like a snowball, in a good way.
  16. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    I've sometimes wonder about a "Once Upon A CFL" concept. Just how much could you save on bills if you started with one small thing like a CFL and reinvested the savings in further energy savings?
  17. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    2/2012 is in: 17.14kWh/day. Last year was 19.84kWh/day.
    (Caveat: my wife and I were away for a week on vacation in Charleston, SC where it was unseasonably warm. We got sunburns because it was February. Who wears sunblock in February? But, the other 2 household members were still there.)

    It was only a 29 day bill, but it was 497kWh, the first time we've been below 500kWh.

    Another .21kW/day off annual consumption.

    New 12 month average:
    20.02kWh/d (3/2009 24.15kWh/d)
    Constant W equivalent 843.0W (3/2009 1006.2W)
    Reduction 17.11%, 10.94LEAF miles.
    My savings would now take me over halfway from work to home.
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2012
  18. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    Attic venting ...

    Consider screened vents under the eaves along with either ridge or peak vents .

    This generates convection cooling loop.

    Cooler air will settle above the ceiling, a cooler insulating blanket, in the summer time.

    Based on my experience in Austin TX ... there was a 40°F gradient from the top of ceiling insulation to 10 inches above, about 140~150°F plus ... in the summer time.

    Still need good ceiling insulation though.
  19. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    That's exactly the plan of action. Screened eave vents and ridge vents. The house is a long and low Texas style so there's plenty of both eaves and ridges.
  20. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    There are specific calculations for upper and lower vent areas ... usually on ridge vent packaging or product installation instructions.

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