Discussion in 'Honda Hybrids' started by psyshack, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    WOW!!! I didn't see this story having a happy ending!
  2. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Great news, Jeff! I'm glad to hear that the car is back on the road in working order.
  3. msirach

    msirach Well-Known Member

    Congrats Jeff! I didn't see a happy ending coming to this story either!
  4. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Great news! There are some good people out there, after all. I'm glad you didn't have to go all Medieval on them to get it fixed (and I know you can and will do that).
  5. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    Awesome! Sounds like that dealer is a keeper ;)

  6. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Wow, congratulations. Glad things are working out after all.
  7. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    I will be taking the HCHII to Ft. Smith, Ar. today. Have to go over there and pick up a few firearms, ammo, parts and literature. It should be a good shake down trip to see how the car is doing.
  8. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    I hope it continues to drive well, Jeff!

    Safe traveling to you.
  9. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    That's quite a collection of things to acquire, Jeff. What literature? ;)
  10. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Sorry for the late follow up.....

    Setup: Tires 32 psi, oil change current, all dealer crap. God only knows what oil they put in it. ( I left the tires low on purpose. )

    10 mph tw going, 51 mpg hwy
    10 mph hw coming back 48 mpg

    Now for the brain buster,,,, I got 80 mpg in the same conditions in city, urban and country driving while in and around Ft. Smith.

    My tools were basic. No fas and my normal speeds and basic driving style. The hwy mpg was a HUGE let down. The city mpg was a HUGE surprise. The transmission still sucks! With the car fully warmed up. If I stopped at a rest stop the tranny still engaged like a yard sale gocart after taking a fast leak. "S" is still as useless as teeth to a chicken.

    The HCHII will get it's first slug fest concerning snow and winter driving. Since the trip I've brought the tire psi up to 44 psi. I really want to take the MZ3 with a real tranny in it and much better brakes with tires as new as the HCHII's. I'm not looking forward to the CVT in 4 to 8 inches of snow and very rural Oklahoma two lane roads.

    So we will see how the snow trip goes. :)
  11. JusBringIt

    JusBringIt Be Inspired

    Yup, everything seems back to normal :D.
  12. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    80 mpg city !!! WTF- how did you get that? Didn't Honda replaced the ECM for free right-some sort of service bulletin update? Does it have some updated programing in it ??What would you get pre wreck in that sort of driving??

    How fast were you driving when you got the 51 48 ?? In the Prius that would be the MPG I would get on a level hy with the CC set to 64-68 mph with no hypermiling tricks other than 40 psi or so. Wind is always bad-you never get back with the TW what you lost to the HW.

    What "gun" stuff did you pick up?

  13. msantos

    msantos Eco Accelerometrist

    Hi Charlie;

    Over a couple times, I've had TV press people in my car while punching extended segments in the high 70's to mid 80's on a 2006 HCH and while it requires a fair bit of concentration, it is not impossible to achieve especially when the conditions allow it. This was after all, all urban and with 3 people in the car (myself, reporter and camera man) so I would not be surprised if Jeff has the means to take it way beyond these numbers. ;)


  14. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Wow 80 mpg city is more than good. With modest effort-really modest-the Prius gets 56 mpg in 16 mile city trips when I drive to school.Maybe 1/2 of it is city interstate with driving about 50-55 mph.The rest is stoplight to stoplight.I more or less drive normally except I P&G from stoplight to stoplight.Pulsing up to 36 mph gliding down to 28 mph. You can't have that motor on very much and get 70-80 mpg-lots of motor off gliding.
    I make a lot more effort with the Suburban- it gets 17-18 mpg on the same trip that the Prius gets 56mpg.

  15. msantos

    msantos Eco Accelerometrist

    Hi Charlie;

    The HCH-II gas engine is an incredible piece of engineering in that you can be cruising at steady state with the engine producing minimal power with minimal fuel use. At lower speeds (below 45 MPH) you can sustain 70-90 MPG without much trouble (what we call the mid 3's in our parts). At highway speeds you can evoke SAHM to get the same MPG range too while at 55-65 MPH.

    In the urban regimen however, when you need to slow down then you MUST glide all the way and even toss in a few hundred watts of EV assist to extend the glide if you can afford it. Stop often and your MPG's sink like iron ore in water. Under the same urban with frequent stop-and-go conditions the Prius will mercilessly decimate the MPGs of an HCH-II.


  16. linx3566

    linx3566 Member

    New to the HCHII...6 day owner and I get 6.5L/100KM. I do a lot of short trips and stop and go. This weekend I am going to my Mom's for Xmas dinner and hopefully get a long drive 40KM. Maybe my mileage will get better but it is amazing what you get. I would be happy with 5.0L/100km
  17. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    I have 25 stop lights on my short 13 mile commute to work and on a nice warm day I can easily hit the mid to upper 60mpgs. My best was 74mpg. It's all a matter of knowing how and when to exploit what the HCHII can do with your commute.

    I've had recent mornings in the upper 20's, lower 30's and can still pull 58 - 59mpgs.

    Like MSantos has said before it also takes dedication ;)

  18. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger


    I'm happy to get 80mpg in the city during winter....looking good.
  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    On my trip to school,I get off the interstate at 12.0 miles and maybe 52 mpg.The next 3.5 miles are straight city-lights maybe 1/2 mile apart.The Prius shines then, and my trip mpg will improve from 52mpg to 56 mpg over the next 3.5 miles of pure city stop and go.This calculates to about 77 mpg over that last pure city stretch.I'm not a hardcore hypermiler, so I can see how folks who are serious get 90+mpg in city stretches.

    The Prius pretty much just runs at hy speeds. It gets maybe 52-55 mpg at a steady 60 mph.

    What will the HCH2 get at a steady 60 mph-level hy warm engine?

  20. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    I haven't driven the car since the Ft. Smith trip. We did not make the xmas eve trip because of the snow storm. I did go out last Sat. and dig the cars out. I got the HCHII with its craptastic cvt free and ready to drive. I put the worthless cvt in "r" and the rubber band worthless tranny would not engage until I gave it some gas. Soon as it did that stupid thing. I put it in "p" got out of it and put a tarp over it.

    I want it gone if I have to trade it in on a Chevy pickup.

    One has to look no farther than the crappy Honda cvt to see why the car does not sell well or any Honda with a cvt in it. A complete and utter engineering failure.

    I will even scrafice my poor MZ3 to the wifes poor driving to keep the miles down on the worthless cvt junker.

    How Honda can hook up such a sorry transmission to such a wonderful engine is complete and utter insanity!

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