Michelin Energy Saver A/S HCH-II

Discussion in 'Honda Hybrids' started by ioverholt, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    Our dealership always tightens the parking brake to lock at 1~2 clicks. Spec is 8~10. Rear brakes will tend to whisper/drag a bit when the rear wheel is spun. Not too much though. Even when they're adjusted to spec. Sometimes just pulling up and releasing the E-brake (while the car is raised) will make it better. Also I suspect wrong oil grade. Puzzler...
  2. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    I probably have about 7k or so miles on my ES's now and the mileage has been more often than not, in the upper 60's to lower to mid 70's. They're still very quiet too. I highly recommend them!

  3. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    Thanks for the update Jess, sounds good.
  4. rhwinger

    rhwinger Well-Known Member

    Replaced the OEM Dunlops last month that had 77K miles on them, with these tires. They were much quieter - so much quieter that I heard the noise from a failing wheel bearing masked by the Dunlops. After the wheel bearing was replaced, the ride is wonderful! I kept them at 32 PSI just to get an idea of what they could do mileage wise. I've been getting mileage in the mid 60's with mixed driving conditions (mostly highway with some secondary road segments) and occasional A/C use because it's been in the uper 90's/lower 100's here lately.
  5. racer

    racer Member

    Wow, how did you get 77k on one set of tyres?, my HCH-II has 64k on it and I am already looking for third set. The ones that I have right now(BFGoodrich Traction T/A) have maybe 25k and are already bald.

    I see Michelin's are around $600 out of the door, Bridgestone Insignia SE200 is about $320 out of the door.

    I used to keep 40psi but the center balded out early because of that, now I am not sure if it's environmentally friendly to make tyres bald faster in the center by keeping high psi.
  6. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    If you're interested in Bridgestone Insignia SE200 I would also check out Bridgestone Ecopia EP20. The tread pattern of both can be viewed at Tirerack, and you'll see they are identical tread pattern. The SE200 comes in several variations, I believe only one is LRR, and it is confusing or impossible to get the correct one. The Ecopia EP20 comes only in on itteration, advertised as LRR. We replaced our HCHII's OEM SE200's with the EP20, and found them good for RR, and ride. More or less the same as SE200.
  7. rhwinger

    rhwinger Well-Known Member

    Hi Racer.

    "How did you get 77K on tires?"

    I kept the Dunlops at 50 PSI. I also accelerate, decelerate pretty "moderately". Back then I was driving at an average speed of 40 - 50 MPH on secondaries, 55-60 on the intersate.


  8. msantos

    msantos Eco Accelerometrist

    Hi Racer;

    Something may not be right with your vehicle's geometry for the tires to wear that fast.

    Second, unless my memory fails me: the "wear in the center" claim applies only to the older tech 2-ply bias tires. A contemporary radial tire should remain relatively flat even when taken to 80-100 psi - which is often double its maximum rated tire pressure.

    On Radial tires the only significant cause of accelerated tire wear is under-inflation and poor wheel alignment and if you bring your tire pressures up (life begins at 40psi) and your car's alignment is not at fault then your should be able to get extremely good life even out of the original LRR tires these cars come with. How do I know? Let's just say my 2006 HCH is proof of that.

    Up the pressures a bit and keep your alignment in check. ;)


  9. racer

    racer Member

    I had major accident couple of years back and car was in shop for over a month, although it was returned to factory specs maybe alignment got skewed again after few months, I recently got 3 year alignment plan from NTB where they had to correct it a lot.

    do you guys think it's safe to just to replace 2 front tires and replace back later?. (just can't afford to replace all right now).

    Also I have one of my tire saved from last time, it's in storage, will using this cause any issue?. (it's december, can't afford what's not planned :().

    Bridgestone Ecopia EP20 was a good suggestion, Thanks.
  10. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    Hi, it's been a while since I posted here, but I wanted to briefly share a couple of thoughts on the Michelin Energy Savers.

    My first Winter with them left me feeling like they did not want to roll as it got colder. Once the weather was warmer they really rolled freely.

    Also, these tires really hold their air. I had them at 60psi all Winter not having to adjust them at all.

    Still love how quiet they are.


  11. groar

    groar X-Frenchy: very

    I lower my tires to 44-46psi in winter then to 51 maxsidewall when it will not freeze anymore then to 58 in late Spring, currently at 54.
    I have to relearn the car each time, also the engine feel differently with different temperatures.

    My rear tires have 60k km= 37k mi and are at mid-life.

    Michelin told me that CRR @25°C=77°F &2.5bar=36psi is 0.009. With each additional bar (14.5psi), CRR lowers by 20%, ie 0.0072 @3.5bar=51psi=maxsidewall.

    Have fun,


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