Michelin Energy Saver A/S HCH-II

Discussion in 'Honda Hybrids' started by ioverholt, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys,

    I feel better about it now. They're all wrapped in garbage bags to keep them clean.

    I wish I had them on now with all the rain we've been getting here lately. There is such a drag with the Dunlops, when I have to drive on wet roads. It will be interesting to feel how much better the Michelins are on them.

    Jess
     
  2. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    From what I've seen in tire reviews, the Michelin's won't disappoint on wet roads. With only 4/32 left on the Dunlops, you will want to be very careful on wet roads because braking distances are double what they are with full tread. Dry pavement is not an issue for worn tires, but when the road gets a film of water, drive like you're on ice&snow to allow extra room. When it's finally time for the Michelin install, the LRR design means you won't be taking the "new tire bath" on fuel economy, as the A/S with full tread will probably hit the ground running with the same RR as the worn Dunlops.
     
  3. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    You're absolutely right MaxxMPG! We've had a lot of wet weather here lately and as soon as the Dunlops hit the wet road it feels like I'm driving through mud. I do try to be extra careful, staying away from puddles and giving myself more of a buffer.

    I'm getting the Michelin's installed next week. Can't wait!

    Jess
     
  4. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    I plan on getting the Energy Savers installed the end of this week. I know they won't put any more air in them beyond the max sidewall, but considering they're new tires, should I be reluctant as well? Is there a break-in period or I should I just go ahead and bump them to 60psi like my Dunlops?

    Jess
     
  5. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    If you had confidence with the Dunlaps at 60 then I sure would not loose sleep with Michelin tires pressed to 60! They are a cut above most tire out there?
    Cheers,
    Hal
     
  6. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    I ran up my new tires to preferred pressures as soon as I had them installed on both of my cars. I wouldn't worry much.
     
  7. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys. No more worries here. ;)

    Jess
     
  8. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    I finally got the Energy Savers installed this morning. I got them installed at the local Discount Tire up the street. They asked if I was interested in replacing the heavy, ugly wheels on my car? Of course, I said no. I also told him that they aren't heavy and I don't think their ugly either. Needless to say that shut him up. But then he grabbed one of the Energy Savers and said, " you want to put these heavy things on your car?" I said they only weigh a pound more than what I have on there. He said, "boy you really did your research. You must really want to keep the numbers up." "Better believe it, those are the most efficient tires on the market," is all I said back. And then I thought, shouldn't he already know that? :rolleyes:

    Regardless of that little banter the experience was good. They had the tires on in less than an hour. They only pressed them to 32psi, so down the street I went to bump them to 60psi.

    My first impression? Quiet! I knew the Dunlops were loud, but holy cow! One might question if my car is even on, it's so quiet. Too soon to judge anything else about them really. The mileage hasn't really changed, they steer easier and I can drive through water on the road with ease, is all I have for now. Aside from the mileage, that's probably typical when comparing new tires to old ones.

    I just filled up before I put them on so I'll have a whole tank on them. :)

    Jess
     
  9. msantos

    msantos Eco Accelerometrist


    Hi Jess;

    Amazing isn't it? The local tire guys have exactly the same kind of talk. It almost seems they all went to the same school, does it not? :D

    Anyway, my original Dunlops are still going strong and I'm not quite sure when they'll be replaced. They do make quite a bit of noise when they are loaded with rocks, but after cleaning the threads with a rock picker, they can quiet down a bit... but I am sure they'll still be noisier than the Michelins.

    I'm sure you're going to be very happy with the Michelins. That is one brand I swear by, and not at. ;)

    Cheers;

    MSantos
     
  10. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    Hi Gang:
    Since getting the new control arms installed my HCH2 is very quiet again, even with the Dunlaps. I think I will go Michelin the next time around.
    Cheers,
    Hal
     
  11. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I couldn't tell if he wanted my business or not. :rolleyes:

    I did read about the break in period of tires on Tire Rack where they say that steering might actually feel more resistant, but it's quite the opposite with the Energy Savers. Steering is much easier than before. I'm looking forward to them breaking in and seeing what they can really do. :)


    Jess
     
  12. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    I'm not even halfway through the tank yet, but I have to say these tires really like to roll. The car seems to roll with such ease and effortlessness. I found that I can drive with a much lower TPS and still maintain constant speed. Plus, I have to be sure I coast from further back or I'll come to a red light or behind the car in front of me way too hot. And they're just so quiet and smooth! I am very happy with this purchase. :D

    Jess
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2010
  13. msantos

    msantos Eco Accelerometrist

    Hi Jess;

    You are really trempting me now ;)

    Even though I always thought of myself as a Michelin kind of guy, I was willing to replace my original Dunlops with the same stuff simply because of the LRR factor. Now, I may have to revise my plan and consider the rubber you just got far more seriously. :D

    Anyway, do tell us how they're holding out for you especially in matters related to your perception of rolling resistance. If you see them as good or better than the OEM rubber, then they'll be at the top of my list too.

    Cheers;

    MSantos
     
  14. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    You and me both msantos. Sounds real good to me! :D
    cheers,
    Hal
     
  15. msantos

    msantos Eco Accelerometrist

    Hi Harold;

    Indeed. I just had a look at the info at Michelin's site and they do list this particular tire as a perfect fit for the HCH-II.

    Here are the specs:

    http://www.michelinman.ca/overview/energy-saver-a-s/4458.html?sc=TSV

    I believe this particular tire to be significantly better than the OEM rubber in many ways, but more importantly, I believe their rolling resistance is at least as good if not better than the OEM rubber.

    In my eyes, I see these Michelins more and more as my next set of tires.

    Anyhow, I also do not totally dislike the Dunlops especially after I pick the darn rocks from the tire threads. Their RR is pretty low and they do deliver on the things I seek.
    The other thing I like about the Dunlops: My local Fountain Tire shops will fix any flat tire or damage on the Dunlops for free as long as they are Dunlops. Interesting, isn't it?

    Decisions, decisions. ;)

    Cheers;

    MSantos
     
  16. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    A quick check on the 'Rack shows that they now have the Energy Saver A/S in "my size" (225-50-17), evidently because that is the size used on the FFH. If I didn't have so much life left in my OEM tires, I would have to click [Submit Order] on these babies.

    Fortunately, my stock tires are Continental ContiSkid-n-CrashTouring which appear to be LRR on the charts. But I can only wonder how much better I could do with the Michelins. Maybe I should deflate my tires to placard pressure, as that seems to burn them out in 15k miles (according to reviews), while mine have 24k on them and are still at 7/32 measured on my tread gauge.
     
  17. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    This was the experience I had, with a loaner Toyota Corolla (during our recent accident repair) that had Bridgestone Insignia SE200 (without the -02). With them you could really roll, it was very satisfying, coasting a long way to red lights, etcetera.

    We have the Bridgetone Insignia SE200 (with the -02 suffix), on our HCHII, but even they don't feel quite so freewheeling, not sure why. Maybe due to regen braking? We've got ~4mm remaining on those, which equates to 5~6 thirtyseconds. So, we'll likely go another season with them. One school of thought is that 5 years is the limit, regardless of mileage, due to tires aging.

    Anyway, the SE200's sit in the garage while we still roll on our winter tires WRG2's, on steel rims, for a few more weeks. I'm itching to swap back, but holding back, it can snow still, and frosty mornings are still happening.
     
  18. Jess

    Jess Well-Known Member

    This Energy Savers do roll much easier than the Dunlops. Everything I read says that new tires don't roll as well as old, worn tires. However, the Energy Savers felt more "free wheeling" from the get-go than the Dunlops did at 4/32 of tread left. The steering also feels freer than before.

    I don't what they're made of...but I like it! :D

    Jess
     
  19. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

  20. ioverholt

    ioverholt Member

    I've been meaning to review my mileage log for the effect of the new tires, but still haven't done it. My guess is that the mileage is at least as good as it was before I switched. My wife drives the car regularly and her daily drive is 3 miles to the Blue Line station. She does not pay ANY attention to the iFCD. :( I can get 50-60MPG in the suburban streets where she gets like 32. I wonder if there is another thread about teaching your Significant Other to pay attention to FE without crashing. :rolleyes:

    I can say that I like the handling of these tires. I was very concerned about LRR tires having overly hard tread compound and compromised lateral grip. The tires really grip around corners. I do not hear them squealing like pigs and I have not exceeded their grip level. We are having a wet year in So Cal and the tires hold well in water.

    One thing I noticed right away was that the car swerves on the freeway. It feels a little like there is play in the steering, except there isn't any play in the steering. I suspect it may be something in the rear. But I haven't checked the links or bushings yet. I had the rear upper control arms replaced under warranty last summer and the new tires went on in October, so the alignment should be good. Another thing I would like to do is have the alignment checked again.

    I'm not really familiar with Honda suspension. Is there any chance that the rear end has developed toe-out?

    Kind of a meandering post... Cheers!
    :Banane35:
     

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