A glimmer of hope for Subaru?

Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by brick, Sep 9, 2009.

  1. saturnsc2

    saturnsc2 Well-Known Member

    I think subaru is going a more mainstream direction. They are obviously making larger vehicles, and some like the quirky things they have always had, like compasses, and they used to have break away mirrors and a more distinctive look etc. In the longrun it will probably benefit the company as alot of newcomers will buy them but I'm sure in the process they will make alot of the old subaru faithful mad.
    I agree that it is crap they have not given the manuals a higher top gear ratio. I have heard other long time supporters very dissapointed in that as well.
     
  2. cpeter38

    cpeter38 Right Lane Dweller

    It is very hard to get my wife's Focus out of control in the snow. The only way I can really throw it into a slide is to turn traction control off, stomp on the throttle to the floor, enter into the turn, and keep the throttle JAMMED against the floor. Even with stability control off, it still eases off the throttle when the wheels start to slip. If I don't keep the throttle jammed, it will just toe the line I placed it on. Only when it is convinced that I REALLY MEAN IT, will it let the engine rev. At that point, you can really do some interesting handling tricks. Needless to say, I don't practice that kind of thing very often ...
     
  3. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Saturnsc2, I agree the '10 Outback looks like a very nice vehicle. I've owned a '96 and an '00 ... by all accounts the '05-'09 generation improved on some of the faults of the '00-'04, and the '10 sounds to be better yet.

    I too am frustrated with the gear range on Subaru's MTs, but I've decided Subaru doesn't care to properly gear their MTs -- because then they would get better FE than the more expensive ATs. They cost the same to make, so having most people upgrade to the AT is pure profit for Subaru. And -- first time I've ever said this -- well worth it on the 2010. On this vehicle the CVT appears to be the transmission to get, given its now-huge mpg advantage over the MT. Here's hoping the CVT makes into next year's Forester as well.
     
  4. 99LeCouch

    99LeCouch Well-Known Member

    I just saw a new Forester today. It's huge, easily as large as a mid-90's Jeep Grand Cherokee. And seeing a new Outback makes me dislike how bloated Subaru vehicles have become. Even though I'm eligible for discounts on Subaru vehicles through a professional organization, I would not want one. Far too much vehicle for my needs. (even my current one is)
     
  5. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    Well we just bought the Forrester for my wife. Around town she is averaging 27MPG and on the Highway we get 32MPG (going about 65MPH - it drops drastically from there). That is without any Hypermiling! We are going away for the weekend so I will try a little P&G and report back on how well the car does. I specifically went with the MT cause I don't like the 4 speed auto, nor do I understand why any car made today would have a 4speed. Would love it if it came in a 6spd MT to get awesome milleage even when crusing over 75.

    We do have two kids and like to go camping and such, which is why we went with this size car. I on the other hand love the fact that it has a bit of extra space and still manages descent MPG for an SUV with all wheel drive (I would also prefer to be able to turn the AWD off when not needed). I am probably biased, but there are far worse choices that are made by people that don't really need a larger car.
     
  6. St. Mushroom

    St. Mushroom doesn't wash his car.

    The current Forrester is a sweet machine, I think it's surpassed RAV4, CRV, & Escape in terms of the overall package, but especially driveability. I'm not sure if I'd trust the OEM MPG readout, though.
     
  7. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    That is not the Readout. That is actual MPG. Readout is off by about 1.5MPG on every fillup. Also had another question, this vehicle is equipped with PZEV, does that increase or decrease MPG?
     
  8. JusBringIt

    JusBringIt Be Inspired

    Partial Zero emissions vehicle. It just means your car burns cleaner. The system itself might cause a reduction in gas mileage, but nothing really noticeable.
     
  9. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    The car sales man actually said we would get better mileage. I figured he was full of s**t.
     
  10. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Yep, he was.
     
  11. fuzzy

    fuzzy Mild hypermiler

    What RPMs does it spin at 60 mph?

    My old Subaru turns 2700 RPM, and this short gearing contributed to an FE that was poor until finding this site and learning to do better. I want the 6-MT on my next Suby, but that won't help if its top gear has the same short overall ratio.

    I'm also waiting for the diesels to reach our shores.
     
  12. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    I will check over the weekend, but I think its closer to 2500. Even at 70 I think the car was at about 3000 rpm. If you want the 6 speed the outback comes with it standard. Or you can get a 6spt CVT which gets even better mileage, although you would not be able to P&G NICE off. I can hardly wait to see how I do on a longer trip!
     
  13. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    The mileage for the entire weekend was 31.3MPG including several trips around town at our final destination. Overall happy with the numbers as this was our first trial in hilly terrain and you can not always use up the energy on the way down as the speeds get excessive when going down a 7 mile hill. Also I did not really slow it down. I kept with the speed limits which at some points was 75MPH.

    I could have done much better if I left the wife at home, but she did not like that idea.

    Fuzzy - The car was just under 2500RPM at 60 and just under 3000RPM at 70.
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2009
  14. JusBringIt

    JusBringIt Be Inspired

    Just as additional info, my car turns 2200rpms at 60mph and 2500 at 70mph
     
  15. southerncannuck

    southerncannuck Well-Known Member

    We have an 08 Outback and love the car. My non hyper-milling wife get 28 mpg in the city. I didn't think that the AWD was needed, but after a few years of driving it, I've become a big fan. The stability is incredible. Even in tropical downpours the car tracks straight.
     
  16. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    Could not sleep. Taking the kids to disneyland which is 350 miles each way. I am curious to see how the Subaru does when not going into the mountains. For a trip this long I will probably not do P&G (not huge benefits in the subaru compared to the smart) but rather set the cruise at a lower MPH. We are getting close to the first oil change, will probably have to get that done when we come back.
     
  17. bomber991

    bomber991 Well-Known Member

    I seem to get about 26-27mpg going 70mph. Going around 55mph I get around 35mpg. I guess you're in a Forester though, so I'd imagine you might just barely be above 30mpg depending on your speed.
     
  18. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    On the way here we ended up averaging just over 29, but my wife's MPG on the tank before we left was only 25 as she had shorter trips all week and we ended up going a bit faster on the second half of the trip as the kids were constantly asking - Are we there yet. After I got gas in CA my trip is showing that we are about 41MPG, not sure if this is just because of the very low speed on the Highway about 40-45 or if there is no ethanol at the gas stations. We will see how it turns out on the way back.
     
  19. gabe1475

    gabe1475 Well-Known Member

    Not bad results on the way back and I would say average speed for the trip was about 65MPH with the cars calculation at 36MPG. Usually off about 1.5MPG so I am expecting 34 or so once I fill up. I have to take to the dealer tomorrow for a recall and they mentioned not to have more than 1/4 tank of gas, not sure why. I did run some tests at 55 and 60 MPG, again after factoring in for the 1.5 Adj the results were 40MPG and 37MPG respectively. Not bad for a compact SUV, however I did confirm that there was no Ethanol in the gas station in CA, at least it did not state so on the fuel pump. Will report back after I have filled up. I have to wonder what I could achieve with regular gas (no ethanol) for my smart!
     

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